Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

TKDRL
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

If it keeps up, there will be far less people willing to take on the risk of becoming a doctor in the first place. I guess we will see how great it is in say ten years or so. I bet most people considering becoming a doctor go with dentistry instead. Still plenty of profit involved with that.

In my personal experience, I have come across doctors who are in the business solely to make a lot of money.
These doctors are usually not the best at what they do. The doctors I have come across who are really, really good at what they do, are the ones who are totally passionate about medicine -- these are the doctors who would work for practically nothing if they had to. I'm fine with weeding out the ones who are just in it for the money. Just having a higher number of doctors, with a fair percentage of them not being very good, is not necessarily a good thing.

What I have never heard from the "affordable health care is a right" crowd is an explanation as to WHY. What logical reason do some think that they have a right to someone elses trade and/or services? I have heard the argument that health care is a necessity of life. I and millions of others have gone years without the need of the services of a doctor.

What about food? How long can someone go without food? Isn't food a more vital necessity of life than health care? Does the government force grocery stores to adjust their prices for poor or elderly customers? Does the government force water companies to charge less to some customers? Isn't water more vital than health care?


Do you have a right to a dwelling? Can we force work from a carpenter or plumber, electrician? Clothing is a necessity of life. Should the government make Levi charge half price to poor people for their product?

A doctor is no different than any other person who charges for their services. NO ONE has a right to it.

reply to post by Snarl


I don't think the issue is really that they make good money. The issue is it seems absurd to a normal person what they charge. Before I found a real doctor that gave a crap about the working class patients he took on, if I was sick enough to go to the doctor, I was missing a days pay from not working, plus paying the doctor another days pay for the thirty or so minutes I was in the doctor room(not counting waiting room time here, they shouldn't be paid for that). A days pay, for 30 minutes, that is unreal.

Lawyers are even worse.

bjax9er
I know a doctor from the former Soviet Union.
He said to me " I was not a doctor, I was a slave, we were all slaves."
"Boris" also said to me, in 2007, "this man, Barack Obama, is a communist".

This is worth making note of again ....
Pay attention people!
The Obama administration and their minions want us to be SLAVES TO THE STATE.
You think that's an exaggeration?? NO it's the truth.
That's exactly what is happening before our eyes.
Depend on the state .... turn everything over to the state .... become slaves to the state.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Yeah I worked for a good one before, I am glad I met him. Him and his wife are both doctors in the bronx, they only do uninsured lower and middle class patients. They charged a $50 flat fee, and had all kinds of deals worked out with other doctors to get boatloads of free samples. More times than not, he didn't have to write a perscription, he had enough samples to just give it to you free. Only good one I met really, he made money for sure, his house in greenwich is amazing. But him and his wife also put in 10 hours a day 6 days a week at their office, helping the poorer people out. They were also awesome parents.

reply to post by TKDRL


I don't have insurance I know how you feel, been there done that, sadly I can't afford insurance now so how am I going to pay for something I can't afford yet they will fine me.

This plan of Obama's is a scam, that is why I was against it from the get go.

reply to post by boncho


Boncho, let me put it to you this way. Perhaps you'll see beyond the rainbows and unicorns mindset you seem to have on this particular issue.

What, may I ask, do you, Boncho, do for a living? What is it that you do to make a living and provide for yourself and family? What if, your government passed a law tomorrow that the only way you could do that anymore, is if you only follow their *new* RULES....and guidelines. What if that cut your income drastically, and you and your family's standard of living fell below the standards you want. What if the ONLY tools they ALLOWED you to use to do your work, were sub-standard and innefficiant. You are already trained and educated in your field of work, but now, you can't do things the way you KNOW are right. You can only hold your job, you depend on, if you follow a new set of RULES, established by people who have zero training in your job.

This is what is being forced on skilled working Doctors now.....It's the HIVE mentality.

Des

reply to post by TKDRL


TKDRL, all sides are guilty, from the insurance companies, the government, the doctors and the hospitals, and dare I say the patients that drive the cost up because they spend ever week at the doctors office, yes, I know them personally,
When you go to a community clinic the care you get is awful, even they charge sixty now for the lower income patients.

This affordable care, isn't affordable, the doctors wont see you,

I went to the doctor three years ago because I was deathly ill, two hundred dollars cash, for five minutes, and I left feeling as bad as I came in , he did nothing, prescribed nothing.

If I had had insurance I would have had the care my friends abuse.

I used home remedies.

reply to post by Destinyone



I see both sides of the issue, but doctors pi$$ me off too.

reply to post by beezzer


People in America have long striven to become doctors due to the high pay and prestige. They have paid very high education bills, especially the last 10 years to achieve this goal.

I don't see how without a big reduction in the costs of getting a medical degree they are going to get new doctors into the system if they drastically cut their earnings potential by forcing them to accept Obamacare. It's really simple math, why would anyone choose to go into 200K of debt with low earning potential.

Older doctors are often well off and will just retire early because they can afford to, which will also increase the shortage. Even the doctors who are middle aged without the ability to retire are not likely to accept a drastic decrease in their standard of living willingly. Many will attempt to do something else, move, or somehow circumvent the law.

Trying to ram these changes into the system quickly is going to cripple it. The question is are the American people going to rebel or just take it.

Carreau
What I have never heard from the "affordable health care is a right" crowd is an explanation as to WHY. What logical reason do some think that they have a right to someone elses trade and/or services? I have heard the argument that health care is a necessity of life. I and millions of others have gone years without the need of the services of a doctor.

You're lucky -- try telling that to someone with severe asthma, or an autoimmune disease, or cancer, or who has been in a horrible car accident. Try telling them they don't need the services of a doctor.

What about food? How long can someone go without food? Isn't food a more vital necessity of life than health care? Does the government force grocery stores to adjust their prices for poor or elderly customers? Does the government force water companies to charge less to some customers? Isn't water more vital than health care?

Grocery stores have cheaper, generic brands, along with the more expensive name brands. The generic brand has the same nutrition needed in order to live. Water is available in smaller quantities for a lesser price. You only need a gallon per person per day in order to live, but you may also need a liver transplant surgeon in order to live.

Do you have a right to a dwelling? Can we force work from a carpenter or plumber, electrician?

There are builders who make smaller homes with less expensive price tags. You only need basic shelter in order to live, but you may also need an oncologist's expertise in order to live.

A doctor is no different than any other person who charges for their services. NO ONE has a right to it.

True - a doctor should be able to provide services in order to allow a person to live -- even if that person doesn't have as much money as someone else -- just like the examples I have given in this post.

reply to post by kaylaluv


I've never met a doctor that would work for nothing. Not one who isn't paid off on loans anyway. Seeing 6 figure debt for financing of the education is pretty well standard and expected for a Medical Doctor. Going 6 figures twice over, isn't unheard of.

They come out with a Mt. Everest of student debt and I don't personally want a doctor treating me to be chronically stressed over whether he can pay that each month while still supporting a family or what have you.

Heck, we see grown men, playing children's games making multi-millions a year in salary, and often enough, actually having a strike when the millions don't pile quite high ENOUGH to their liking. That, for game playing. (Or sports, as others call it). I wouldn't begrudge a Doctor his or her very comfortable living when their skills may well be what allows me to live at all some day.

reply to post by boncho


Boncho, although you make some good points, I fail to see how those points have anything to do with Destinyone's post. Apples and oranges.

We are not a European country with universal healthcare. Our system is completely different, and all these changes will not improve our screwed-up health care delivery. It will only make doctors decide to go into a different line of work. There is no financial incentive to make them take on Medicare patients. Why should they, when they can get all of what they charge with one patient, and ten cents on the dollar for a Medicare patient?

As long as our system runs on greed, all this government intervention will do is mess it up further.

Wrabbit2000
I wouldn't begrudge a Doctor his or her very comfortable living when their skills may well be what allows me to live at all some day.

He will only allow you to live if you can pay for it, if the people on ATS have their way. If you can't pay for it, you die. Up to the doctor to decide that, not you.

reply to post by beezzer


Yea, this will cause people to retire or go to another country to practice medicine. Doctors can not make money from medicare because they pay only half of the cost.

reply to post by amfirst1


I think that the US is really the only country where doctors make big bucks though. I know in here they don't make a lot. Vets and dentists make way more than GP's. Not sure about specialists, I don't really know any personally.

reply to post by beezzer


I agree with him.

Doctors shouldn't be able to discriminate based on income level and age...and that is exactly what they are doing when they refuse Medicaid and Medicare.

And besides, once we move to single payer...and we will...doctors will have to accept everyone as a patient.


It is rather sickening that people are actually advocating that doctors should be able to pick and choose the patients they want to treat. Talk about elitism.

I find it amusing that there are still people who seem to think that the PPACA is a blessing. They must live in Kumbyaaland populated with unicorns that talk and that there are always rainbows in the sky. They truly have a mental disconnect going on some where in their grey matter. I guess reality scares them to much.

All I see in the future is more death. Lots of it. No doctors due to shortages. Insurance denying care because it's to expensive, more suicides because there is no other alternative or hope, etc, etc.

Sounds a lot like what the Georgia Guidestones say don't it?

Stay thirsty my friends...

Stormdancer777
reply to post by Destinyone

 

I see both sides of the issue, but doctors pi$$ me off too.

I do understand what you are saying. But as it is now, we have the freedom to find one that doesn't piss us off. That is more in tune with our personal needs and mindset. What is being shoved down our throats, is a dumbing down of expectations of services and quality of healthcare available to us. Setting us up for a universal standard established by our government, and what they say they will pay towards our level of care. They are taking away our right to do that for ourselves and thereby have the options of the kinds of healthcare we want.

I see it like this. If one place I shop, doesn't have what I want...I can shop elsewhere. I like having that choice.

Des

kaylaluv

Wrabbit2000
I wouldn't begrudge a Doctor his or her very comfortable living when their skills may well be what allows me to live at all some day.

He will only allow you to live if you can pay for it, if the people on ATS have their way. If you can't pay for it, you die. Up to the doctor to decide that, not you.

Well, that is the joy of a free country. We can have diametrically opposing opinions and still disagree without being disagreeable. As we most certainly do, and are here.