Melting Starfish and Odd Orca Behavior in Pacific Ocean

So one good screw up is all it takes to ruin a planet....

Can we make a big cut mountain monument on the planet illustrating our demise and warning never to do that again??

Interesting. From my experience here, Starfish can only survive in clean waters. The article says the "melting" only seems to be happening to one kind of starfish though, and not the other species in the area (which is not reported on).

Perhaps there is some contaminant in the water that only affects the affected species? I also wonder on the health of the crustaceans in the area, they are also usually affected badly by contamination.

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Carreau

Holly Molly!

Oil-drilling: Stop all at one

Fuku: Poor a billion tons of concrete over if if thats what it takes!

China built great wall eons ago, hows about a simple raised concrete bed to contain those tower plants in this modern architectural age!

Stop posting this picture if you want to show "radioactive watercurrents" - this picture has nothing to do with that! It is about the HEIGHT OF WAVES!

At your posting: a billion tons of concrete won't put a stop to the water underground - which would still leak into the molten reactor's core inside the facilities and then dripples into the ocean.

ManFromEurope

gardener

Carreau

Holly Molly!

Oil-drilling: Stop all at one

Fuku: Poor a billion tons of concrete over if if thats what it takes!

China built great wall eons ago, hows about a simple raised concrete bed to contain those tower plants in this modern architectural age!

Stop posting this picture if you want to show "radioactive watercurrents" - this picture has nothing to do with that! It is about the HEIGHT OF WAVES!

At your posting: a billion tons of concrete won't put a stop to the water underground - which would still leak into the molten reactor's core inside the facilities and then dripples into the ocean.

I'm still looking for the source of that pic, but how do you come to the conclusion it is wave height?

To me it looks like Fukushima is where the "wave" lines originate, but the lines are marked with increasing numbers the more distance away from Fukushima you are. A legend for the map would be nice

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Info on Snopes.com about this picture

It was a plot created by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) immediately after the Tohoku earthquake in March 2011 showing the wave height of the tsunami that followed. It had (and has) nothing to do with the flow or spread of radioactive seepage from Fukushima.

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Assuming you are right that it radiation sickness, what do you think can be done about it?

I guess we could learn from our mistakes and close down the nuclear power stations......

If reversing microwaves on a small scale can chill cans of pop then maybe on a large scale through sharing of knowledge and expertise can chill a nuclear mess.
Oh and for the record everyrhing is possible.

When did scientist stop using Geiger counters?

A simple scan could possibly prove, or debunk, this so we can look for other causes.

gwynnhwyfar

Phage
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There are other reports of seals with what appears to be radiation burns on their skin and Polar Bears showing signs of large hair loss. Nothing is being done about it.

Assuming you are right that it radiation sickness, what do you think can be done about it?

I hope that somebody has an answer for that question.

While they are looking for a solution, I hope they will save as many as they can. I know it will be difficult and costly, but I think this a price we have to pay before we worry about how our planetary banks and governments hold on money and power.

Our primary goal should be to work together as true Earnings and device an ark like medium to save as many of the species as possible (even if we have to place them in arks, in planetary orbit, makes for a good movie factory, ).

Phage
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Through all those articles I linked, not one is even mentioning Fukushima.

Maybe that's because the symptoms don't resemble radiation poisoning.
Maybe that's because high levels of radioactive material have not been found.

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Geez, and people here listen to you?

Here is a recent thread on ATS related to this topic:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And here is an informative website which outlines many of the Fukushima issues - and it goes without saying none of this will be seen in the corporate controlled MSM:

Great Fukushima coverage

ManFromEurope
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Info on Snopes.com about this picture

It was a plot created by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) immediately after the Tohoku earthquake in March 2011 showing the wave height of the tsunami that followed. It had (and has) nothing to do with the flow or spread of radioactive seepage from Fukushima.

Thank you for providing that info! I hope it will not make an appearance out of context again, but it probably will hehe

Back on topic though, I wonder what is out there that is known to "melt" starfish. I suppose it depends on the species though, I have never seen a Sunflower Seastar in person, nor would I want to dive in cold waters to see one =b

Char-Lee

Carreau
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Two great questions, why isn't it being done and is it being done? And if it is being done, what are the results? Here's another great question, why is Fukushima not being talked about in the MSM?

Why are knowledgeable persons in the world still not allowed in to help with the plant? Russia has a lot of hands on experience and offered, where is the UN demanding the Do something?

The UN is a toothless org. The sooner you realize that, the better off you will be. The only way the UN has any power is if the US makes it have power although with the way things are going, this will soon change to either China or Russia. And take a look at China and tell me they give a flip if the environment goes to Hell. Plus, this is Japan. China and Japan really don't like each other.

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Found the article. 'Melting' was the term that rang a bell.

Same event happened in 2011 on the East Cost of the U.S. from Maine all the way down to Florida and apparently it happened before. At least in this case, radiation poisoning does not seem to be the culprit.

When University of Rhode Island graduate student Caitlin DelSesto collected starfish in Narragansett Bay for an undergraduate research project in 2011, she was surprised to watch as the animals appeared to melt and die in her tank within a week.

"There was a big increase in sea star numbers about three or four years ago," said Gomez-Chiarri, "and often when you have a population explosion of any species you end up with a disease outbreak. When there's not enough food for them all it causes stress, and the density of animals leads to increased disease transmission.

"Now that the disease is in the environment, it may be hard to get the population back to normal," she added. "Diseases don't just completely disappear after a massive die-off."

"If you pick up a healthy sea star, they're pretty firm, but sick ones are slimy and mushy and you might see white lesions on them that are eating away the tissue," said DelSesto. "Sometimes they'll release all their arms as a reaction to the stress they are under."

"An outbreak like this happened here back in the 1990s, and on the West Coast there were similar outbreaks in the 70s and 80s, and every time the populations came back on their own," said DelSesto. "This one seems particularly severe, and climate change may be making it worse, but hopefully they'll come back on their own this time, too."

sciencedaily.com

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Fukushima Radiation Leak Poisoning Pacific Ocean With 137Cs

The below graphic is a representation of the estimated concentrations of 137Cs spread across the Pacific in the coming years. While this is much less intense than the small graphic above (which depicts the 137Cs concentrations near the reactor site), you can see how widespread of an ecological disaster this has already become. Worse yet is that the leaking is still not under control in Japan, and more 137Cs will continue to leak out causing higher than predicted concentrations. Given that radioactive isotopes like this have a very long half-life, you can expect the impact on sea life to last for many generation. Every 30 or so years the radioactivity of the Caesium will be cut in half, but that means the radioactivity will be traceable long into our future, and beyond our lifetimes.

MORE MAPS HERE

Well, there was that rich guy that had some mad scientist con him into financing his idea of fixing global warming by dumping a a bunch of some sort of mineral Iron into the sea in that area of Canada. There were no laws to govern this so the guy, and the mad scientist that came up with the plan, were not held accountable. Too much iron is not good for some sea creatures.

It could be a combination of a couple different things also. Neither of the polluters would be liable since your product is only required to be tested by itself, it does not have to be tested to be safe with other man made products. most times. There are a few common combinations that are not allowed though, learned from past problems that occurred in the environment. The government will ban a chemistry based on this but since the regulation was not in place at the time of the incident, there is no liability. I suppose we don't want dolphins suing us.

LightningStrikesHere
Maybe i can add to this , i recently got back from chignik Alaska, i was their for about 3 months , for the salmon run. When i had time off from work ,i would fish off the dock,quite often i would snagg one of these sun stars,and everytime i would pull them up they would start shedding leggs , it amazed me how their leggs droped right off...not sure if it was some sort of defence act or what.. But it was strange indeed...just my two cents

that is normal behavior for a seastar. similar to a lizard dropping it's tail and re-growing it. i think that's what you were experiencing. it's normal.

it's sad to see the harm we are doing to Mother Nature and the governments dont give a damn about it.how can honestly we think about colonizing other planets if we are destroying the one we live in? mankind has the ability only to destroy and i seriously doubt we can mend the destruction we started.

we shall reap what we sow

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This is art, but he knew in his last years that humans were NOT going to listen and the fate of the world's oceans was sealed long ago!

Porn, "turkey baster children", illegal drugs, etc. are far higher priorities now...

I'm not trying to downplay the environmental impact of the Fukushima Daiichi disaster. Everyone knows that Tepco et al have been misleading everyone about the seriousness of the situation since day 1. That said, if they plopped the entire reactor core in the middle of the Pacific, it wouldn't be the cause of these "melting" starfish. The ocean is just too massive, concentrations are too dilute. Not to be a real buzzkill, but even a rudimentary understanding of dispersion should lead one to question this as a cause. If it were radiation, wouldn't it have started and been most severe right off the coast of Japan?

The leading hypothesis is a biological agent--virus, bacteria or parasite. I'm sure by now somebody has tested an affected starfish for higher than normal levels of Cesium-137. A quick search on Google also turned up forum questions from aquarium owners going back years, asking for advice about "melting" starfish..in aquariums. Some of the suggestions were abrupt changes in salinity or temperature. Apparently, they're very slow to acclimate to changing conditions.

Here's a link from a forum post in 2008 as an example:
forums.saltwaterfish.com...

I'd guess shedding of the limbs is an adaption that arose because it allows the starfish to stem the spread of a pathogen before it reaches the center portion, which does not regenerate as the limbs do.

No one seems to have mentioned the worst case scenario fix for the continuing poisoning of the earth. Probably due to our inability to get along as a human race. So I will throw it out there.

In order to slow our demise, the world must sacrifice Japan. I am talking about a Country wide "full monty".

Step #1
-Remove all fine art, gold and anything else of global value. Evacuate all citizens, from farmers to businessmen. Their country is now dead. You screwed up and the consequence is loss of the right to BE a country. Leave livestock, plants and anything contaminated.

Step #2
-Here comes the hard part. As a united globe, we bring in the scientists, the techs, the crew, and begin the quarantine of Japan. Water is pumped onto land instead of into the sea. A concrete wall (some 18,000+ miles) will be built to surround the whole island and contain any discharge of rivers, streams and natural runoff. REAL TRAINED PEOPLE are brought in to remove the remaining rods in the chambers. The rods, along with any other direct fuel material, are stored in proper facilities.

Step #3
-Set up permanent occupation of scientists to study the effects of a full cluster f**k. We sill need to understand the long term effects of what will continue to happen for a long time. What better place than a "living" laboratory. We slowly watch the biggest blunder in human history annihilate a whole land mass that once held life. We learn.

This does not fix the problem as a WHOLE, just the issue of continued large scale contamination of the sea and the potential of a catastrophe if untrained people are allowed to begin the removal process of the remaining rods.

I live in California, the bay area. I have 2 children, ages 4 and 12. I have a valid concern for not only their well being and future health, but of my wife's and my own. I have a valid concern for anyone living on this planet right now. I have never been a praying man, but have recently started. I figured "what the hell. If i get it wrong and there is no god, we are screwed anyway. But if there is, well...it can't make things worse".

I also believe the FUKUSHIMA should be the new acronym for FUBAR. Instead of F'd Up Beyond All Recognition, it should be F'd Up..... (and the rest is the sound you make while you are dying)