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riffraff
JackSparrow17
They can have mine peacefully. I won't fight the government if it came down to it, even disagreeing with them to the extent that I do. My beliefs don't make me well suited to being a revolutionary. I think it's wrong that they plan on doing that, but I'd rather not get involved with either side in a supposed conflict.
Go back to France! Lol! No, Seriously. The man who tries to take away my guns is my sworn enemy.
I know you think you are being peaceful and progressive, but it is your duty as an American citizen to hold on to your guns, as per the constitution. They should make kids recite the declaration of independence and pledge allegiance to the constitution, not the flag. Then people could see this issue clearly.
"When in the course of human events.....it is their right, it is their DUTY, to throw off such government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"
Nathan Hale died for nothin, I suppose.
edit on 25-10-2013 by riffraff because: (no reason given)
I don't think throwing rocks justifies getting shot, but since we don't know actually how the first shot was fired, then the debate remains in the air. But the soldiers in the National Guard were sent there by Governor Rhodes to quench a four day riot in which personal property was being damaged.
They exist in a maelstrom of false propaganda, gung ho music to hype them up, and drugs to desensitise them.
727Sky
reply to post by WarminIndy
I don't think throwing rocks justifies getting shot, but since we don't know actually how the first shot was fired, then the debate remains in the air. But the soldiers in the National Guard were sent there by Governor Rhodes to quench a four day riot in which personal property was being damaged.
I was in the military at that time and there were those who believed a little napalm on a few choice Universities was a good plan of action..
The atmosphere of the time was of a deep divide between the military and protesters of the war. Stories were being told of service men and women who only the week before were in combat coming back to the states and being spat upon at airports like LAX. Many/most of the protesters could not separate the nations policy of war from the soldiers who were drafted to carry out the governments war plans. The shooting happened in 1970 and I remember seeing helmets where it was written, " Army 4 protesters 0".
That whole time in America's history was one of danger and divide; IMO we are lucky it did not get much worse..
projectvxn
reply to post by WarminIndy
Kent State was over 40 years ago.
Soldiers do not exist in an information vacuum.
TDawgRex
reply to post by WarminIndy
If you had any knowledge of the Kent State shooting you would also know that those Soldiers thought that they were being fired upon. There are even recordings of a shot/firecracker going off before they opened fire. It was a tense moment in history that went bad.
I don't say that in the Soldiers defense. I have always taught and led my Soldiers that you just don't pray and spray unless you have a legitimate target. And if you just wound them, they are to provide 1st aid once the area is secure.
My guys actually listened to me. We're not robots. Though I think that many college kids are exactly that.
matafuchs
and let me clarify, as another poster did. I do not think that they were heartless bastards at Kent State. They were more just as young as some of the students but it shows you what can happen. A misunderstanding or a loud noise can lead to those dead.
Then, as some say in Texas, if you fire upon them you are not only putting yourself but then others in danger as there will be indiscriminate shooting. A very scary thought indeed and hopefully it does not come to that. I mean, if it does, I am sure we will not be discussing it on here anymore...
ShotInTheDark ~ Lol Amen dude i'm so glad I live in Texas! My family has 8 guns (My two little sisters each have a revolver with a registered license) and I have a deer rifle and colt 45! I'd love to see them try and take my family alive! haha
mistersmith ~ What on God's earth makes you think they want to take you alive ?
WarminIndy ~ Which is why I have to ask why hemp is outlawed as a means of producing useful items. (BTW, not an endorsement of drug abuse as per ATS terms), I am asking specifically about why hemp is illegal if they can make clothing, ropes, paper and other useful things from it.
(Nope, no discussion about the legality of certain drugs, just a plant that can be useful). I hope no one takes this in the wrong direction, I am just simply making a point about a multipurpose plant.
People used to make things with it, so has the lumber industry forced it out? But I do realize people are stupid and do other things with it, but if it saves trees, then why not use it.
ATS mods, I am not endorsing the use of certain drugs, I'm just asking about the use of a plant for good things. I hope you don't think I am suggesting otherwise.
GoldenBrain71
reply to post by WarminIndy
This would be a wonderful thing for our country. My great grandfather farmed hemp when the government needed it for ship rope during WWI or WWII, possibly both but I can't really recall which for sure. The government would give farmers tax credits for hemp, basically buying it.
People should know that there is hemp which is a non drug cultivar and the other three, sativa, indica and ruderalis which are drug cultivars. So, you are not advocating drug use in any way.
I saw an article recently from 1938 in Popular Mechanics magazine describing more than 25,000 uses for hemp ranging from dynamite to cellophane. The stuff is pretty amazing and they knew it even way back in the early 1900's. We could use hemp to make just about everything we use in our modern world except for electronics, metals, concrete, some other obvious stuff. If the world were on board with bio-diesal then Texas could replace it's entire oil industry with bio-diesal from hemp. If I were allowed to do so I'd farm it.