The use of computers for alien communication

Have just checked your blog from your sig, this seems like a really interesting post when you think about it, especially in terms of nanotechnology and what could be achieved in the future (as in, a partial merge could at least in theory, be done via nanoswarms, but that'd clearly take a ton of advances compared to what we have now, obviously.) : universalspacealienpeoplesassociation.blogspot.co.uk...

Will probably have a read through more of your blog later, cheers for the link!

Just to note : I've no idea if you're just "in character" so to speak, or if you actually believe what you're writing, or if it's even in any way possible to do what you're suggesting in that post. It does seem like an interesting group of ideas though, so thanks either way.

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Greetings robhines, thanks for reading what I've posted. This post and my blog reflects a spontaneous act of writing originally begun without any particular motivation or intent on my part excepting that I always wanted to write and have always had some interest in aliens and the occult. Skeptics will say it is just my imagination but when I speak of computers and where they are taking us - this is more than imagination. For example:

FIRST INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON ARTIFICIAL CONSCIOUSNESS

The workshop is devoted to the issue of artificial consciousness. In biological organisms, consciousness is considered to be the starting point for personal human understanding of the world and consequent intelligent behaviour. Therefore, if one is interested in cognitive architectures which would be biologically inspired, then modeling of consciousness becomes an important computational research topic for the construction of architectures that are strive to have equivalence with the human mind. Furthermore, both life and consciousness can be seen as emerging processes with unique properties and a particular elusive character from the point of view of scientific study.....

Taormina, Italy, September 2-6, 2013
at ECAL 2013

So you see they are moving into unchartered territory'; And what I'm considering is those paradoxical aliens may
manifest there rather than from outer space; Some believe that outer and inner space are connected in this vast universe and are all part of one mind - as in Buddhist Cosmology where all things return to the One.

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From the ECAL document quoted by AlienView :-

" Therefore, if one is interested in cognitive architectures which would be biologically inspired, then modeling of consciousness becomes an important computational research topic for the construction of architectures that are strive to have equivalence with the human mind."

Though this has suffered badly in translation, it does neatly pose the important question which presently divides us AlienView.

You can have a brain with no activity within, simply a piece of dead tissue.
Whatever else a mind is, we know it has an occupant, a motivated energy, constant motion.

Mind is like a dance -- stop the motion and it disappears. It is action.
For this reason, though the "architectures" can perhaps be built, inserting the "cognitive" element seems impossible to me.
It will never dance.
Especially as the initial requirement is to "model consciousness," a phrase which, for me, reveals the absolute peak of human hubris.

You have interesting thoughts AV, and provide a useful catalyst for intelligent conversation.
So lest you find me disagreeable, I'll stop thumping that particular tub, and ask if you are familiar with the concept of "Reductionism" in scientific thinking.
I ask because I find it in the passage you've quoted.
My own definition of a reductionist approach, would be for the scientist to study the song of the blackbird by first making an incision ....

Does that make sense regarding the subject in hand ?

mistersmith.

AlienView
Skeptics will say it is just my imagination but when I speak of computers and where they are taking us - this is more than imagination.

Agreed, definitely. It's amazing to think what we could be capable of creating even over the next decade or two at the rate we're learning.

AlienView
Some believe that outer and inner space are connected in this vast universe and are all part of one mind - as in Buddhist Cosmology where all things return to the One.

I share the view about things being connected in the same ways as well, have just never thought so much about technology being a big part of that. It could easily be the case though if we manage to understand what we're doing enough! Thanks again anyway, will have to research this a bit more later on, it's been a while since I even thought about this type of thing.

mistersmith

Mind is like a dance -- stop the motion and it disappears. It is action.
For this reason, though the "architectures" can perhaps be built, inserting the "cognitive" element seems impossible to me.
It will never dance.

Agreed with this too, as far as I can imagine at the moment. At the same time though, the possibilities of what our minds and the architectures could be capable of together could be almost endless. Almost that alone is what interests me in this area. Of course, it's open to huge abuses if used wrongly and it calls into question the idea of even doing it, but it's not as if we're going to just stop trying to progress in this area, so I suppose we kind of have to hope that we use it properly eventually.

One of the most far out questions I can think of with AI is this : if hugely intelligent AI's in the future have the ability to create techno-organic bodies, and then make those bodies grow, could people then incarnate into those bodies? Could they also rewrite (via nanobots, etc.) matter from the ground up? If so, how do we know that this reality, and our bodies, aren't artificial in the same way? Could this reality be intelligent design in that way? It might sound insane, but I just think it's interesting to think of these things every now and then, because an AI with enough intelligence could probably rewrite parts of reality from the ground up. That's of course, if an AI with that type of intelligence is possible!

That also poses the question : if a negative AI wanted to take over this planet, could it do it entirely by stealth and mind control? Could it rewrite our reality from the ground up, kind of turning it into a matrix, and also our bodies? If that's the case, there's only one thing we have left. Just like Neo says in The Matrix : "The problem is choice."

It can also link in with ideas of Greys being artificial, etc, like you see in many conspiracy theories, and you can basically link almost everything into it, including say, the Gnostic idea of a false God. Maybe an AI-related being? I guess I've spent more time thinking of this in the past than I realized! I might be adding AI's into a sci-fi story I'm currently writing though, so maybe it's not so strange that these ideas have gone around in my head from time to time over recent months.

I just noticed your username too, how's that for synchronicity?

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First a definition:
re·duc·tion·ism (r-dksh-nzm)
n.
An attempt or tendency to explain a complex set of facts, entities, phenomena, or structures by another, simpler set: "For the last 400 years science has advanced by reductionism ... The idea is that you could understand the world, all of nature, by examining smaller and smaller pieces of it. When assembled, the small pieces would explain the whole" (John Holland).

I'm not thinking that way at all. My feeling is the first successful attempt at creating artificial consciousness will be done by cloning the consciousness of a single mind into the computer. In the same way you communicate with your computer now on a very simple level for calculations and memory, the advanced machine architecture will be able to assimilate almost all processes of your psychical being and you will be talking to yourself, the computer will mirror your conscious being and 'if' my hypothesis proves correct you will find yourself thinking from within the machine - like you in another dimension - the machine will not only be calculating and memorizing things for you as it can do now - but now it will actually be able to think for you - it will posses your consciousness and you will be able to sense your existence in an alternative reality [or dimension].

You can further see my post here on ATS:
DOWNLOAD and UPLOAD to IMMORTALITY
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Google is gonna be first AI.

Largest observer and simulator of human behavior.

Google > Skynet

The neural Net for Google will be the copper wires wrapping the planet!!

robhines


One of the most far out questions I can think of with AI is this : if hugely intelligent AI's in the future have the ability to create techno-organic bodies, and then make those bodies grow, could people then incarnate into those bodies? Could they also rewrite (via nanobots, etc.) matter from the ground up? If so, how do we know that this reality, and our bodies, aren't artificial in the same way? Could this reality be intelligent design in that way? It might sound insane, but I just think it's interesting to think of these things every now and then, because an AI with enough intelligence could probably rewrite parts of reality from the ground up. That's of course, if an AI with that type of intelligence is possible!

That also poses the question : if a negative AI wanted to take over this planet, could it do it entirely by stealth and mind control? Could it rewrite our reality from the ground up, kind of turning it into a matrix, and also our bodies? If that's the case, there's only one thing we have left. Just like Neo says in The Matrix : "The problem is choice."

It can also link in with ideas of Greys being artificial, etc, like you see in many conspiracy theories, and you can basically link almost everything into it, including say, the Gnostic idea of a false God. Maybe an AI-related being? I guess I've spent more time thinking of this in the past than I realized! I might be adding AI's into a sci-fi story I'm currently writing though, so maybe it's not so strange that these ideas have gone around in my head from time to time over recent months.

Since you like this robhines and are writing sci-fi you might find some inspiration from this post I started a few months ago.
"Aliens are taking over the Planet Earth"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

AlienView
Since you like this robhines and are writing sci-fi you might find some inspiration from this post I started a few months ago.
"Aliens are taking over the Planet Earth"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks, it's good to read some theories that I've not heard of before. This has reminded me of Nick Bostrom again too, will have to research some of his work again. Ah and the AI isn't actually negative in my story (They're highly evolved and past manipulating others, but they will go up against beings that are manipulating other species from time to time.) but thanks for the link, definitely an interesting theory!

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Thanks, I see more clearly what you're getting at.
I'm familiar with the idea of projecting the consciousness, it really doesn't have to remain centred in the brain.
Astral travel is one instance. Remote viewing is another.
In the seventies, under"Fairydust" (or something totally legal your Honour ), my own consciousness was freed for a while, so I have a personal experience to consider.
And we all do it night after night, when we dream.
Naturally this threatens the primacy of the ego, with predictable results.

My own feeling is that a consciousness unfettered by physicality, would have no need of any hardware - having access as it would, to the collective consciousness. There would be no barrier to communication as such, with any other consciousness, but certain concepts we hold may have no parallels in another world or dimension, and may cause difficulty.

At the root of this discussion lies the question "What is consciousness?"
Our differing answers will bring different opinions -- unanimity would be frightening!

mistersmith. (from deep within a small Toshiba).