? About Judgement

reply to post by Tucket

God kicked Satan out of his house because he was one bad dude.

That is a myth that some people believe in but it isn't anything that the Bible supports.

Jesus said that Satan has been judged but he really meant the evil in the hearts of the Jewish leadership who had him crucified.

reply to post by PrimeLight

If you do not believe in the fall of man with the Adam line and that we are not under the flesh condition of death (sin) currently, then you are outside Foundation and such will bear no meaning to the carnal perspective, lest one Aligns in Accordance with the Way, Truth and Life Testified.

Are you saying that there is a "Way, Truth and Life" other than Jesus?
You seem to think that the "truth" is rather the Old Testament.
Jesus did not support the OT but used it to support his own claims about himself, then went about expounding his own laws and prophecies, the former already finding their fulfillment in Jesus himself, giving those laws and prophecies.

reply to post by Tucket

This test that you speak of comes at the expense of countless amounts of torture, murder, slavery, and oppression throughout the ages. This test is madness.

Thinking that the purpose of our lives is to test us, results in madness.

The purpose of our lives is to live a life.
If anything is being "tested", I would say it is the suitability of this universe as a proper place for us to live.

reply to post by jmdewey60

there is no Satan

You reject much scripture in your stances, and with respects, it is worrisome that such mindsets are leading congregations today- for if you are preaching to and misguiding the flock upon such highly dangerous falsities aside from Holy Testimony, then you will certainly be held moreso accountable at Trial.

One should re-evaluate Bible scripture for basis beyond just metaphor of what we wrestle against.
183 verses on the Devil aka Satan
www.openbible.info...

Thinking that the purpose of our lives is to test us, results in madness.

Once again scripture is outright ignored.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice , though now for a season, if need be , ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth , though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ":
1 Peter 1:3-7

Some more examples of Testing through Allowed earthly trials.
www.sermoncentral.com...

The purpose of our lives is to live a life. If anything is being "tested", I would say it is the suitability of this universe as a proper place for us to live.

This is far far removed from Foundation.

reply to post by PrimeLight

With Grace in our lives, we can endure against all the struggles here, just as Christ did. This is the great Call in following Christ.

Jesus had grace, meaning a certain attribute of his personality which may have been the result of being formerly fully "god", whatever that describes, but probably a immortal spirit that lived in divine wisdom.

Jesus persevered in maintaining a moral perfection in his actions while we may ourselves fail in that but keep a moral integrity by our constant intent to act in a righteous way.

reply to post by Akragon

Jesus kept regular company of sinners and believers alike and even said "resist not evil"... Paul tends to keep company with those that follow him and the rest aren't worthy...

Jesus kept company with people who the Pharisees considered "sinners", who were anyone not a Pharisee.
Paul talked about the "strong" and the "weak" but told each to not be stumbling blocks to the other.

reply to post by NONPOINT21

If everything is a test by God (let's say for sake of argument) which side do you think he will punished and respected more. Will a certain side be punished more than the other?

No side will be punished more than the others. Each individual goes through tests for learning purposes. Man gives the weight on right and wrong. For Father to properly test ones here, he must have some that will carry out said tests. So, some of the faith will condemn this people to hell, but do you think Father will, if said people were just following orders?

This is perspective from outside the box.

Re:judgement

Who will be judged for incarnating the millions of fundamentalist ideologues that claim unique relationship with thier chosen god...its royalty that has keep of its palaces - city, manor houses, wardrobe, carriages, guardsmen, stipend clerks...Who will judge them for not clothing the shiftless, not feeding the hungry, not healing the sick...because the upkeep of appearances is an expensive undertaking...and a weekly mumble should be enough inspiration...

Newly designed microscopes are needed to explain the non-existent state before birth from whence an innocent, pink, mucilagionous pupae emerges as spirit in life (but presumably, not before)...what instills the sin-gene explosive device?why?

...but, not to worry, the saviour mechanism is available at all good motels (1st draw)...circle complete (except for the bit at the very start)...they say your harshest judge is yourself...I'm apt to agree with this...

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reply to post by PrimeLight

You reject much scripture in your stances . . .

Of course there is the word "Satan" in the scriptures but it never defines what that means exactly.
People have made things up about "satan" including a biographical back-story, but I feel no compulsion to believe in any of it.

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth , though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ"

This could just as easily be understood to mean the thing that you believe in will show itself as being true when you see Jesus.

This is far far removed from Foundation.

So what is it that you are calling "Foundation"?
Is this a way of thinking about how you view Judaism?
Jesus is the foundation of our faith, that is if you are a Christian.
There were important truths that Jesus could cherry-pick out of the Old Testament, but that is not an endorsement of the entire thing, otherwise we would all be Jews now instead of Christians.
Jesus had every intention of creating a new religion, one based on the spiritual, rather than going through the motions of doing things to give the appearance of piety as a positive trait to puff up your own social status.

Tucket
reply to post by PrimeLight

 

This test that you speak of comes at the expense of countless amounts of torture, murder, slavery, and oppression throughout the ages. This test is madness.

You right but where would they otherwise put the lost souls that needs to be evolved? I get it that we have an idea that humanity has reached a certain ideal but we are far from what was instructed by all the teachers thousands of years ago. We are getting there one step at a time, one soul at a time.

And for the Christians. I do not mind you going the christian path but to make it clear atheists, seekers and other religions for instance sikhism and buddhism do also arrive at the same point when it is their time and have other tools that sometimes are very effective. Do not give me any dualistic idea that is a divide and conqueror scheme from the corrupted side. If Jesus is the saviour then he saves even if you only say the name by action. If Jesus is what I think he is then he would call buddha his soulbrother and welcome all soul brother and soul sister who can walk the path not caring about the garment/map used to get to the point.