Why were Adam and Eve driven from the Garden of Eden?

originally posted by: FreeMason
Nietzsche and Wagner's work are considered to be intertwined because Nietzsche only described the Nihilist movement that was being made by many more Germans from the late 1800s and excellerated by WW1.
I suggest you read Eugene Rose's "NIHILISM".
How is Satan a Nihilist? Because the main argument of Nihilism by Nietzsche was that God is dead, this is the exact opposite of the fact that Jesus said God is not a god of the dead but of the living for God is Life.
Satan himself desires death to release him.

Some of Nietzsche's criticisms of Christianity are compelling. He said Christianity was born in response to Roman oppression. It took hold in the minds of timid slaves who did not have the courage or strength to get hold of what they really wanted. The slaves could not admit to their own failings. So they clung to a philosophy that made virtue of cowardice. Everything the Christians wanted and wished they had in their lives for fulfillment was what was considered to be a sin. A position in the world, prestige, sex, intellectual mastery, personal wealth were too difficult or beyond their reach. The Christian slaves created a hypocritical creed denouncing what they wanted, too weak to fight for, while praising what they did not want, but did have in abundance, as being worth having. So in the Christian value system sexlessness turned into 'purity', weakness became "goodness," submission to authority became "obedience," and in Nietzsche's words, "not-being-able-take-revenge" turned into "forgiveness."

I think Nietzsche idea of man's ultimate goal in life was become a Ubermensch is not a bad one. It's kind of like the Christian vision of a heavenly Jerusalem on Earth but for the character of an individual man.

In terms of nihilism, Nietzsche mistake was not that everything is meaningless. But that it is also meaningless that it is meaningless. Nietzsche concluded that everything being meaningless was actually meaningful. Well, if it's all meaningless anyway, then you have a choice. You can choose for everything to be meaningful as opposed to being meaningless because what difference does it make?

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
The "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

People worship the disciple's words in the Bible about Jesus MORE than they worship God himself.

originally posted by: windword
reply to Abraham wasn't Jewish. There were no Jews before Abraham, as Abraham was, supposedly, the father of the Jewish nation. Hence, these Bible stories are not part of Jewish history but myths that were borrowed or plagiarized, edited and inserted into the Jewish Bible from other older cultures.

Namaste, my friend. This is correct. The Bible itself has been severely edited, many details taken out, badly translated, and so much more. Regardless, there are still spiritual tokens that you should learn from the Bible. Some of the stories were related to the Jewish culture and were taught in Jewish schools since the times before Master Jesus. The Master himself learned many of these stories from Jewish scriptures similar to what is in the Bible today. But that is where the similarities end. The Bible itself is not the same as it were when Master Jesus was reading it while in school. This is why people can get confused easily due to missing information, changes made to the stories due to superstition and misunderstandings, and even traditional lores added to them.

As for the story of Adam and Eve, there are numerous misconceptions I can't even begin to explain. I do, however, would like to mention a few things to perhaps clarify some of the largest issues with Adam and Eve.

1. Adam and Eve were not the first human beings. The entire course of creation in the first few pages of Genesis is an extremely condense version over the course of 3 Billion Years. Before Adam and Eve, there were humans that existed for literally 700,000 years.

2. The Garden of Eden was a literal place on Earth.

3. Adam and Eve were very intelligent compared to the other humans at that time. They taught us many things about how to live a better life, love God, how to build better towns, how to establish better families, and so forth.

4. "God" who was with Adam and Eve in the Garden was not God at all. It was an Angel who was in charge of looking after the Garden at the time. At that time period, anybody who had great intelligence and looked tall and powerful were considered "God." The writers of Genesis thought this Angel was God.

5. The "Serpent" was not literally a snake of some sort. It was an actual person in league with what we call the "Devil" these days.

6. Eve did not come from Adam's rib. It is only a tale told by people at a time period when women were very inferior to men in society.

7. The Tree of Life was literally a tree. When Adam and Eve ate from the fruit of the tree, they continuously were immortal. You see, they were special. They came here as higher beings and were not born from a woman.

8. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil were added to the Bible as a metaphor to explain Adam's and Eve's Fall. It wasn't a tree at all.

9. Mankind didn't fall. It was only Adam and Eve who fell. There is no "original sin."

10. It is true that Adam and Eve lost their immortality, but they were still able to live for hundreds of years afterwards and had many children.

11. Adam and Eve were NOT driven from the Garden of Eden by God. What actually happened was a war. There were human factions that wanted to take over the Garden of Eden. So Adam and Eve had to leave their "paradise on Earth."

May this information help you all realize a higher truth than before. God will certainly teach you beyond this so that your spiritual progression will proceed much further. Peace be with you all.

If Adam and Eve are the first man and woman does that mean their children had incest sex to create the hordes?

I think the fall of man is a metaphor for the transformation of consciousness of child to adult. As a child we do not see ourselves separate from our mother and father. After we bite the apple of puberty we separate ourselves from the blissful innocence of youth.

I think Eve and Mary get a really bad take in the Bible. Women are treated really badly. I think our religion should be more female friendly. I think women are the most sacred and beautiful thing in our lives. I really do not like the way the Bible treats women. I also don't like how the Bible seems to say slavery is okay either.

I think if one is very reverent to God you treat everyone you meet as most sacred thing you've ever encountered. Too many soldiers in this country with not a shred of empathy to other's well being. If we want to be close to God and Eden we should try to take better care of each other.

a reply to: dfnj2015


In genesis Chapter one, God does not mention how many men (male and female) he creates in he's image.
It is not mentioned how God or Earth formed man (male and female). But it is mentioned that Earth created all living Things.


In genesis Chapter 3 it is said that Adam was sent back from were he was taken. And Only Adam was sent back. That is also sepcifically mentioned as well.

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Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: dfnj2015


In genesis Chapter one, God does not mention how many men (male and female) he creates in he's image.
It is not mentioned how God or Earth formed man (male and female). But it is mentioned that Earth created all living Things.


In genesis Chapter 3 it is said that Adam was sent back from were he was taken. And Only Adam was sent back. That is also sepcifically mentioned as well.

spy66,

If you understand language you would see that Adam and Eve are singular not plural.

Coomba98

a reply to: coomba98


So "him" and "he" means Adam and Eve?


That is funny since Adam and Eve are described as: he and she (him and her). And also by name (Adam and Eve).

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: coomba98


So "him" and "he" means Adam and Eve?


That is funny since Adam and Eve are described as: he and she (him and her). And also by name (Adam and Eve).

spy66,

Umm im confused.

Is it plual or singular? As your previous two posts kinda contradict each other.

Coomba98

a reply to: coomba98


If you read genesis Chapter 3 verse 23. It is singular since it state: Him and He. That is singular.

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Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

And only Adam was formed from the dust on the ground. Eve was not.

a reply to: spy66

spy66,

Forget about the eviction of Adam, not talking about that, bringing it up is misdirection.

You said:

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: dfnj2015


In genesis Chapter one, God does not mention how many men (male and female) he creates in he's image.

So now you agree the first man (Adam @ Eve) where singular and not plural?

Biblically speaking.

Coomba98

originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: spy66

spy66,

Forget about the eviction of Adam, not talking about that, bringing it up is misdirection.

You said:

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: dfnj2015


In genesis Chapter one, God does not mention how many men (male and female) he creates in he's image.

So now you agree the first man (Adam @ Eve) where singular and not plural?

Biblically speaking.

Coomba98

No. i Dont agree.

In genesis Chapter 1. Man is plural. Because God forms him as male and female. ( as male and female created he them ).

In Genesis Chapter 2. Lord God only formes Adam (male) from the dust on the ground. It is not until after Lord God formes every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see. It i snot until after this LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam to form woman from one of Adams Ribs.

In Genesis Chapter one God formed Man as male and female at the end of his creation. That is not the case in Genesis Chapter 2.

The other thing that dont add up is that Adam Calls his wife Eve the mother of all living Things. The mother of all living Things is Earth. Eve was the last creation Lord God fomred in Chapter 2. Eve is also the only living thing that Lord God did not form from the dust on the ground.

RESPITE (spanish translation: Rex Pide) = King Begs....

The tree of life was everywhere in the garden. It was what the king ate.
It gave him respite and a butt load of it.
A season for each leaf. A year for each ring. A breath for each bark. And a chance for each branch. Such is the grace and pleasure of knowing good and evil. Binding the lesser to the will of the king. To live forever....

Magic is what they call it these days.

The empress tarot card explains this. Hail the empire/garden

a reply to: Pinocchio


I dont agree.


If Lord God formed a garden eastward in Eden. That would imply that Thee Garden of Eden existed prior to when Lord God formed his garden Eastward in Eden. Because Lord God plantend his garden eastward in Eden. And that is where he put his tree of life.


Adam mentions something important. Adam mentions that Eve is the mother of all life.


Eve is the tree of life that Lord God put in the garden.


Eve was formed in the Garden of Eden. She was not formed from the dust on the ground like Adam was.


EDIT:

It is also mentioned that Adam was formed from the dust on the ground on Earth. That would imply planet Earth.

The Garden of Eden is not on Earth since Adam was cast from: Eden Cherubims.

a reply to: spy66

Well Said Laddy.... Well Said.

a reply to: FlyersFan

The Sumerians were the first to write a version of the first couple but they are the ones who ripped it of from Noah who had not written it down.