It's time that states take control over Federal land

reply to post by buster2010

How does this sound. Sorry but Yellowstone Park is no longer open to the public because BP bought it.

We will not even know it. We will all be stuck in Transit Villages without any sort of transportation or the ability to leave without permission.

Your government is a corporatocracy, a new authoritarian state in the process of consolidating your output into a more controllable, exploitable channel. The reason you are being misled by your government and told that all of this is good for you, is because there is no profit in managing a mass uprising. It is too disruptive. The markets want you to continue to consume---quietly and obediently. The technology that is being marketed to you is actually being used to condition you to expect to be spied on, and to spy on others....

Transit villages (formerly known as cities) will be restricted to having only the population that can be supported by food grown within a 100 mile radius (called a 'food shed'). Food sheds will dictate where you can live and when you can change your residence. Calculations, such as those done recently at Cornell University, will determine how much food can be grown within that area and then the Transit Village population will be limited to the number of people who can be fed by that land (click on the blue to go to the Cornell website). It is reasonable to expect rationing based on this mode. If you want to move to that village you will have to apply and wait for an opening.

The recent crash/depression is world-wide and was engineered to destroy expectations of long-term economic employment. If people have no expectation of long-term employment they cannot plan for the future, and cannot comfortably buy a home and contract for a 30 year mortgage. They cannot create community with long-term neighbors. With long-term employment plummeting there is a shift to a more transient life-style which is more conducive to living in Smart Growth Transit Villages: condominiums and apartments. Private property ownership and financial security will be phased out through excessive regulations and land use restrictions....

The elite class of wealthy, well-born managers will have little contact with the few remaining workers in the highly automated factories. As the average worker is phased out the elite owners of the natural resources and wildlands will expand their holdings. Wild animals will roam throughout the world and be viewed from the windows of the high speed trains that pass through on their way from transit hub to city center. Elaborate skyscrapers with huge suites, and enormous lodges will house the quasi-military rulers. Private jets take them to their meetings and retreats.

What we are describing is the New Feudalism. Neo-Feudalism. Peonage. UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development taken to its logical culmination.

Obama's War on Coal is part of the method used to drive Americans off their land. Renewables such as wind and solar cannot be cheaper than coal or other fossil fuel energy: it is physically impossible but the tale of 'Free Energy' is great for bankrupting the country.

As Obama Promised: Energy Prices to Soon Skyrocket

Last week the U.S. Energy Information Administration reported a shocking drop in power sector coal consumption in the first quarter of 2012. Coal-fired power plants are now generating just 36 percent of U.S. electricity, versus 44.6 percent just one year ago....

The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity -- almost all natural gas -- was $136 per megawatt. That's eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.

Why the massive price increases? Andy Ott from PJM stated the obvious: "Capacity prices were higher than last year's because of retirements of existing coal-fired generation resulting largely from environmental regulations which go into effect in 2015." Northern Ohio is suffering from more forced coal-plant retirements than the rest of the region, hence the even higher price.

Can you afford to have your energy bill go from $100 a month to $800 a month? We can see the result of Fuel Poverty in the UK.

2011: More than one in five British households suffers fuel poverty

A quarter of Brits are living in fuel poverty as energy bills rocket

Feb 2012 Fuel poverty deaths three times higher than government estimates: ...Some 7,800 people die during winter because they can’t afford to heat their homes properly

March 2013 UK Suffers Coldest March in 50 Years

This month is on track to be the coldest March for 50 years – and as the bitter Arctic conditions caused blackouts and traffic chaos yesterday, experts warned of an ‘horrendous’ death toll among the elderly.
About 2,000 extra deaths were registered in just the first two weeks of March compared with the average for the same period over the past five years.

And that is not even getting into the Corporate consolidation of the World Food Supply.

reply to post by crimvelvet


I wouldn't have pinned the start of the downward spiral on mandatory taxing of citizens but all of that makes perfect sense. I believe my boss, who was a Harvard grad and an economics genious was trying to tell me years ago. I was just too young to understand the hints he was dropping. He saw it coming all the way back then.

Anyway - It appears all that Boehner wants is for Obama to negotiate. To have a plan in place to reduce spending, mitigate potential harms Obamacare may cause, and to insure this won't mean increasing taxes. I think that is reasonable. However, it appears it isn't that simple. There has to be more to this. As stated - increasing the debt isn't their issue. But it should be.

xstealth

AlienScience
reply to post by xstealth

 

But the worst part is that the Federal government forgets that "we the people", are supposed to actually own that land.

Where is that declared in the Constitution?


Also, States can't afford to operate most National Parks.

Such a sick liberal statement. It has to be declared in the Constitution that we the people, who pay the taxes, are the rightful owners of Federal Land?

You Liberals truly hate America, and you never care about the Constitution anyway.

It's our land period!

You do know the founders were liberals right? They were the very definition of liberal. They wrote the Constitution one of the most liberal documents on earth. However if you want to know what the Constitution says about Federal Land, well they can pretty much do what the please with it.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

reply to post by MrSpad

This is so silly. The list of World Heritage sites is a tool to attract turist. The UN does not own the or control them in anyway....

That is just ignorance talking. The UN has ALREADY stepped into the business dealings of the US government with regard to Yellowstone.

The blurb on Google for "New World Gold Mine and Yellowstone National Park' from www.nps.gov/... (National Park Service dot gov) says:
"Aug 14, 2007 - CRS Report: 96-669 - New World Gold Mine and Yellowstone ... 1995, the United Nations World Heritage Committee declared the Yellowstone...."

However that government website is down so I will make due with this.

At Yellowstone National Park, United Nations' delegates who surveyed the area last year, called for a "buffer zone" around the Park. So, the Park Service is choking off the local economy by refusing to maintain certain highways and by buying up any property available. Of course, there will be plenty available as more and more owners are denied the use of their own private property which causes businesses to shut down and the economy to show.

Inside Yellowstone, the Park Service is shutting down campgrounds as the park is being prepared to become the core of a huge biosphere reserve, as part of the United Nations global plan. Once established, no human activity will be permitted in the area. This represents fulfillment of plans outlined in the United Nation's Biodiversity Treaty - which, though still unratified by the U.S. Senate, is being implemented by the Clinton Administration.

The way it is done is illustrated by what happened to the owners of the Crown Butte New World gold mine, which is OUTSIDE Yellowstone National Park. After being threated with non-stop litigation that could have lasted decades, the mining company finally agreed to a deal...
www.rense.com...

Or you can go to page 52 of the book American National Parks: Current Issues and Developments

...In December 1995, the United Nations World Heritage Committee declared the Yellowstone National Park "in danger" because of the New World mine proposal and other activities in the area....

Opponents of mine development called upon the United Nations World Heritage Committee to evaluate the potential dangers to Yellowstone that could occur from the New World Mine Proposal. Mine proponents claim that the United Nations input interferes with the EIS process and is unnecessary....
(more info on page 56)

Sure sounds like the UN was interfering in the internal working of a SOVEREIGN nation but that has been the on going plan for years. The young men from the USA are now used by the international elite as cannon fodder for all the international game playing in other nations.

A patriotic American soldier is being court martialed for refusing to wear a United Nations uniform and to serve under a foreign commander. Army Spc. Michael New was court martialed for this refusal.

Thus, the United Nations seemingly is being treated as a de facto world government.... one's military uniform is extremely important because it designates in whose "actual service" the soldier is operating. If an American soldier wears U.N. insignia over his uniform, this must identify her or him as being in the "actual service" of the United Nations.
mikenew.com...

reply to post by MrSpad

You do know the founders were liberals right? They were the very definition of liberal.

Are you talking 'Classic Liberal' or 'Progressive Liberal'? They are not the same.

MrSpad

crimvelvet
reply to post by xstealth

 

TOO LATE.

The US government has already handed over US parts to the United Nations. WE THE PEOPLE no longer 'Own' our parks.

Many Americans have been disturbed to find that there are 22 areas in this nation that have been designated as United Nations’ World Heritage Sites. These sights are natural places such as parks or cultural monuments like Tom Jefferson’s home, Monticello.

As a result of a UN treaty called “The Convention Concerning Protection of the World Cultural and NaturalHeritage,” these sites come under the jurisdiction of the United Nations’ Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). Such designations have been the source of major debate as to whether the UN has infringed on sovereign American territory.

However, the debate may be about to rage even hotter. Because InteriorSecretary Dirk Kempthorne has just announced his selections of 14 more sites to be considered for nomination by UNESCO as World Heritage Sites.

Today, of the original 22 UN Heritage Sites that are located on American soil, fully 68 percent of American national parks, preserves and monuments are included in the UN designations....
link

This is so silly. The list of World Heritage sites is a tool to attract turist. The UN does not own the or control them in anyway. And when they are damaged or destroyed they can do nothing about but, make a public statement saying how sad it is. Serioulsy how could anybody believe this stuff.

I know, right? And it's not like these "heritage sites" are exclusive to the United States. I'm sure there are sites like these in a whole bunch of countries. I'd be willing to be that the Pyramids of Giza are listed as one.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Thank you for posting that, it shows me that some people are looking at Agenda 21 seriously enough to make a website. Most people I approach with it literally hear the words "Smart Growth, Sustainability, Green" and automatically accept it without looking at what is actually being done. Its important to look at the big picture, because it is very much a big picture, long term plan.

Lets take "Food Sheds" for example;

The idea of food supply diversification is actually a good one. Fresher products, less transportation costs, better stability, etc. However, not once is it brought up how communities could actually do this for themselves. Regulations are used to determine which pieces of land are to be used for growing food, and which ones are not. Encouraging individuals to actually "grow what they can" in an effective initiative would be true diversification. With the use of technologies like aquaponics and even simple "Potato Boxes," yield per acre can be much, much more efficient. Yet again, we do not see plans to make yield per acre higher, but in maintaining status quo.

A lot of Agenda 21 is about land acquisition, and work in this regard has been going on for decades. This is where areas with an abundance of natural resources (including water) will be ruled ostensibly "No Visitor Zones," much like we are seeing during this shutdown. This is done, supposedly, to protect the natural resources within. And, when we include the UN determination of the contribution of humans to global warming, I can see the precedent eventually shifting towards this.

It seems that not too many people have really looked into Agenda 21, ICLEI, Codex Alimentarious, etc. but they have a very, very real impact on our entire world, which includes the United States. Its all directly available, and while the proposed premise isnt a negative, the execution of it is most certainly flawed (at best). Instead of stemming from incompetence, however, it seems quite intentional. It just seems to be a broader regulatory means of keeping economic titans more firmly in power.

The concept isnt new, it has quite a long history and its amazing how quickly we forget things like coal scrips. Even when they are remembed, a correlation isnt frequently drawn between it, corporatacracy, fiat money, and land/resource acquisition.

Basically, I think anyone who is surprised at these things hasnt looked into the initiatives that are driving factors in many facets of our lives. It all seems disconnected, and a lot of things make little sense. I know thats how it was with me until I looked into where we are really going. By that I mean, what actual legislation (both nationally and internationally) is guiding our society, and where. None of it is necessarily hidden, but many of the topics are most certainly obscured. That said, all information needed can be obtained directly from the source

Edit:

All you have to do is consider two things;

1)Are those implementing these systems also abiding by them?
2)Are these systems being implemented to empower and enable individuals, or are they being implemented to control and create dependence?

reply to post by Serdgiam

...Most people I approach with it literally hear the words "Smart Growth, Sustainability, Green" and automatically accept it without looking at what is actually being done. Its important to look at the big picture, because it is very much a big picture, long term plan....

Oh good, someone else who is looking at the Big Picture.

The starting point should be that solid fecal material rises to the top because lying, cheating, stealing and stabbing people in the back helps the sociopaths to rise to the top of the heap. These are our leaders in banking, industry and politics. So don't expect any nice guys, they are under someone else's boot.

As G. Edward Griffin, Author of The Creature from Jekyll Island said:

...Now you see what the benefit is to the banking cartel for being involved in this Federal Reserve System, interest on nothing. The process doesn't end there, however....

This newly created money goes out into the economy and it dilutes down the value of the dollars that were already out there. It's like pouring water into a pot of soup, it dilutes the soup....

We lost something and very few people ask the question "who got it"?...

The two groups that got our lost purchasing power--is anyone surprised?--the two members of the partnership, the government and the banking cartel. The two groups that comprise the Federal Reserve System...

... This example of a $100,000 home, as shocking as it is, producing $172,741 unearned interest, this is just a grain of sand in the Sahara. You have to multiply that by all the homes in America, by all of these hotels in America, all the high-rise buildings, all the factories, all the airplanes, automobiles, farm equipment, schools, everything, all the physical assets of America. You apply this same ratio and can you see it in your mind? We're talking about a river of unearned wealth that is so wide you can't even think of crossing it, flowing perpetually into the banking cartel. A dead short across the productive element of society...

You are led to the question of where is this river flowing? Where's it going? Get a picture of this that it's all going into a lake somewhere and maybe there's a dam and the wealth is building up and somewhere they're getting it all. Getting it no, they're spending it. They're not accumulating it at all. What are they spending it for? The answer may surprise you....

They are spending it to acquire control over the power centers of society. The power centers are those groups and institutions through which individuals live and act and rely on for their information. They are literally buying up the world but not the real estate and the hardware, they're buying control over the organizations, the groups and institutions that control people. In other words, to be specific, they are buying control over politicians, political parties, television networks, cable networks, newspapers, magazines, publishing houses, wire services, motion picture studios, universities, labor unions, church organizations, trade associations, tax-exempt foundations, multi-national corporations, boy scouts, girl scouts, you name it. Make your own list of organizations and you will find that this is where those people have been for many decades spending this river of wealth to acquire operational control particularly over those institutions and individuals, those organizations that represent opposition to themselves. That's a critical area for expenditure on their part.

This process has gone on not only to a marked degree in America and in the other industrialized nations of the world, but it has gone on in the so-called third world or underdeveloped nations to such a degree that I would say the process is now complete....

As Griffin says the process is complete and that is why the elite don't really care whether or not we now know. Bill Clinton (and The Bush and the Shrub) helped complete the process.

...Clinton's trouble with China began before his re-election in 1996. To defeat the Republicans, the Democratic party needed a quick infusion of cash to pay for campaign ads. Clinton turned to his Chinese connection, old friends Johnny Chung, John Huang, and Charlie Trie. They headed a shadowy cast of characters that funneled millions of dollars into democratic campaign coffers.

Bill Clinton took contributions he knew came from China, and played another angle as well. US companies wanted to sell China military technology, but the sales were prohibited by law....

In return for campaign contributions, the President shifted regulation of technology exports from the State Department to the free-wheeling Commerce department. The administration also relaxed export controls and allowed corporations to decide if their technology transfers were legal or not. When easing restrictions wasn't enough, Clinton signed waivers that simply circumvented the law. The President's waivers allowed the export of machine tools, defense electronics, and even a communications system for the Chinese Air Force.

Bernard Schwartz and Michael Armstrong, the CEOs of Loral and Hughes, each donated over one million dollars to Clinton's re-election campaign. These companies had an interest in seeing China develop reliable missiles to loft their satellites into orbit. Clinton arranged direct talks between Bernard Schwartz and a Chinese general to improve China's rocket technology. Michael Armstrong was made head of the Export Advisory Council. Both companies were allowed to upgrade the launching and guidance of China's missiles.

Clinton even involved the Department of Energy, caretaker of our nuclear weapons, in his fundraising schemes. In 1994 and '95 then Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary accompanied Johnny Chung, John Huang, Charlie Trie, and Bernard Schwartz on trade missions to China. Shortly afterward the DOE relaxed security at US weapons labs. Wen Ho Lee, an ethnic Chinese physicist assigned to Los Alamos, illegally transferred data on nuclear warheads to his private computer files.

In June of 1995, the CIA learned that China had stolen the crown jewels of our nuclear arsenal, including the neutron bomb and the W-88 miniaturized warhead. Later that year National Security Advisor Anthony Lake is briefed on the thefts. He is replaced on the Security Council by Sandy Berger, a former lobbyist for the Chinese government. In June of 1996, before Bill Clinton's re-election, the FBI opens a formal investigation into the theft of US nuclear weapon designs....

So at this point the Elite have moved on. They are now residing as parasites in India and China and Brazil. The EU and USA are hollowed out husks about to collapse. Our technology and wealth has been transferred overseas.

However the Elite have a plan for the USA. They want a HUGE nature preserve without the disease problems of Africa. Think Ted Turner and The Rewilding Institute They even want pleistocene megafauna rewilding. Also see On the Cloning of Mammoths

reply to post by Serdgiam

All you have to do is consider two things; 1)Are those implementing these systems also abiding by them? 2)Are these systems being implemented to empower and enable individuals, or are they being implemented to control and create dependence?

If you have not read it already, America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution really goes into those questions.

MrSpad

Congress shall have the power. This executive branch is executing these evictions to make the people hurt as bad as possible.

reply to post by crimvelvet


The reason I posted those was to encourage more people to ask them for themselves.

It is blatantly obvious where our current national and international legislation is going, and that those implementing it are not affected by it like the people they supposedly "represent."

However, speaking about the problems themselves is only a piece of an even bigger picture. We are fully capable of coming up with a solution, and a working societal framework, with all of the tools at our disposal.

If these types of legislation continue though, people should get used to not visiting a lot of land in the United States.

xstealth

MrSpad

Congress shall have the power. This executive branch is executing these evictions to make the people hurt as bad as possible.

edit on 7/10/13 by xstealth because: (no reason given)

The Excutive branch is following the law that Congress created. Granted its over 100 years old but, it is the law of the land and very specific about penalties for not following it. Congress can always change the law. They have made modifications to it in the past to cover such things as contractors etc. Until that happens its all in black and white. If anybody honesly though the Executive Branch was not following the law to the letter their would be a ton of lawsuits being filed and not by nutters either.

reply to post by xstealth

Such a sick liberal statement. It has to be declared in the Constitution that we the people, who pay the taxes, are the rightful owners of Federal Land?

You Liberals truly hate America, and you never care about the Constitution anyway.

It's our land period!

Ummm...yes...it has to be stated in the Constitution.

You pay taxes, doesn't mean you own everything the government owns. The government is it's own entity, you pay taxes to them...that is it...you don't get a say and you don't own part of what they own.

Federal land is not your land, I doubt even if you "own" land it is truly your land.

crimvelvet
reply to post by trinityalways

 

The whole idea is for Americans to be herded into cities, now known as Transit Villages.

The original try was via the Biodiversity Treaty but was killed just before ratification. This is the MAP. We get to live in the green areas. WHAT you cant see them? just get out a magnifying glass and you can find them.... maybe.

As usual the Elite did not let the non-ratification stop them. A listing of the piecemeal bills and laws is HERE.

You might want to look at these papers: Federal Constitutions, Global Governance, and the Role of Forests in Regulating Climate Change and POST-NORMAL SCIENCE - Environmental Policy under Conditions of Complexity to see how the suck ups are spinning this. (Post-Normal Science is hated by real scientists because it is NOT SCIENCE and like sewage added to wine has contaminated the whole field of science. Wanted for Premeditated Murder: How Post-Normal Science Stabbed Real Science in the Back on the Way to the Illusion of “Scientific Consensus” )


You can see the other attacks by the globalists on our right to the land in the USA and the rest of the world if you bother to look. Here is a short random listing from my collection:

A MUST READ for background: From Carroll Quigley to the UN Millennium Summit: Thoughts on the New World Order

Apartments are the core of any sustainability strategy.

ICLEI: Local Governments for Sustainability USA This is the local branch of the United Nations that is going to see that UN recommended laws are passed in YOUR TOWN!

Wall Street Journal: California Declares War on Suburbia: Planners want to herd millions into densely packed urban corridors. It won't save the planet but will make traffic even worse.

Metropolitan area governments are adopting plans that would require most new housing to be built at 20 or more to the acre, which is at least five times the traditional quarter acre per house. State and regional planners also seek to radically restructure urban areas, forcing much of the new hyperdensity development into narrowly confined corridors.

San Francisco considers allowing nation's tiniest micro-apartments: A proposal would reduce the minimum size for a residence from 290 square feet to 220.



Feds buying up farmland they flooded

SCI ENTIFIC AMERICAN: Effective World Government Will Be Needed to Stave Off Climate Catastrophe

Obama’s Science Czar Wants to “De-Develop” the United States




Agenda 21: HOLDING AMERICA HOSTAGE

Mini-Prisons & Micro-Apartments Built Across America in the Name of Sustainability - links to many news articles.

The Australian: THE world should be ruled by a new "global parliament" under the auspices of the United Nations, according to Bob Brown

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Ok thank you so much for the overload of information and data-YOU ARE MY NEW BEST FRIEND-IF you want it to be !?? If I had one Wish it would be to sit down and have a nice long talk! ...Blessings Trinity xo

Remember the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) chasing the ranchers off of the land where they had grazing rights. LaVoy Finnicum, who stood up for our Constitution was shot and killed.
Under Obama, the Fed's designated more and more open land off limits to us. They were moving people towards the inner cities for sustainable living under UN control.