I think I know What Chemtrails are... and it's worse than you can imagine!

reply to post by Korg Trinity


It seems Mr Thumpy has guided you to the limit of your understanding given this sudden lurch off topic in order to once again cast doubt on other members motives as a substitute for discussion.

Shame, I was following that line of questioning with interest.

So what if you remember planes not leaving spreading trails when you were a child? People, including me, continue to see exactly that every day. Doesn't mean it never happened, it is merely a comment on your own memory.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Geo-engineering is real though and hopefully it isn't and won't back fire on the innocent who never even had a choice.

That is why geoengineering is not be done at this time in large scale, because they just don't know the consequences.

How do you know for sure?

What makes you an expert in geo-engineering?

reply to post by AndyMayhew

They have been observed for decades to persist and spread across the sky - and the reasons for this have been studied for decades as well. That's simple fact.


Geoeingeering is certainly something that has been proposed and some argue we should do it, or, at the least, seriously consider it - and undertake trials to see if, in fact, any of the many proposal might actually work (we don't know that they will). Many scientists disagree though, hence one of the reason it is not yet done. The other being cost .... (who will pay for it?)

That said, one could argue that driving cars with internal combustion engines is a form of geoengineering, given that one of the effects of doing so is to increase levels of atmospheric CO2 which in turn causes global warming. Do you drive a car? I don't. Nor do I fly.

You say studies for decades have been going on about why contrails persist... can you link me to these studies?

Geo-engineering is being done. Have you researched this? I have linked you to a study in California.

Driving cars and all that is something to consider... still... more studies need to be done. They ARE doing it though. Both driving cars AND manipulating weather.

reply to post by MamaJ

How do you know for sure?

What makes you an expert in geo-engineering?

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.climatecentral.org...

And I never claimed to be an expert.

reply to post by MamaJ

You say studies for decades have been going on about why contrails persist... can you link me to these studies?

Here you go.
scholar.google.com...

Geo-engineering is being done. Have you researched this? I have linked you to a study in California.

Cloud seeding to enhance precipitation is not geoengineering. Cloud seeding to enhance precipitation does not affect climate.

Phage
reply to post by MamaJ

 

You say studies for decades have been going on about why contrails persist... can you link me to these studies?

Here you go.
scholar.google.com...

Geo-engineering is being done. Have you researched this? I have linked you to a study in California.

Cloud seeding to enhance precipitation is not geoengineering. Cloud seeding to enhance precipitation does not affect climate.

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Thanks for the links.. will read tomorrow as time permits.

Cloud seeding is weather modification. Is geo-engineering the same as weather modification?

If it makes rain then it enhances "weather". It is possible it also enhances "climate" or you are free to show me studies where the climate will 100% not be affected.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by MamaJ

 

How do you know for sure?

What makes you an expert in geo-engineering?

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.climatecentral.org...

And I never claimed to be an expert.

Show me the US and China are not doing studies on geo-enginering/weather modification... They are.

www.globalresearch.ca...

We experiment behind the scenes first and then we notify the public. Thats the way we roll.

“Weather manipulation through contrail formation … is in place and fully operational.”

I am on the fence with the contrail/chemtrail issue but again, wouldn't put it past the people in charge... they are insane.

reply to post by MamaJ

Is geo-engineering the same as weather modification?

No. The intent of geoengineering is to affect climate. The intent of weather modification is to affect precipitation on a local scale. It is done by targeting existing cumulus clouds. If you read what you post you would understand that.

If it makes rain then it enhances "weather". It is possible it also enhances "climate" or you are free to show me studies where the climate will 100% not be affected.

Nice combination there. A strawman argument based on proving a negative. Very logical of you.

reply to post by MamaJ

Case Orange? You can't be serious bringing up that piece of anonymous trash.
Because the "Belfort Group" (whoever they are) says that geoengineering is being done, it is?

MamaJ



Geo-engineering is being done. Have you researched this? I have linked you to a study in California.

Geoengineering studies are not "geoengineering is being done"!

But despite that, yes, geoengineering is certainly being done.

Cool roofs
Carbon capture and sequestration
Reforestatio n and biochar
- not these are not academic papers, these are links that show that these geoengineering techniques are either in active use at an industrial level, or are being carried out in field trials or similar.

They ARE doing it though. Both driving cars AND manipulating weather.

Weather modification is not geoengineering as has been pointed out to you already, and whether weather modification does actually change the weather much still seems debatable!

Phage
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Is geo-engineering the same as weather modification?

No. The intent of geoengineering is to affect climate. The intent of weather modification is to affect precipitation on a local scale. It is done by targeting existing cumulus clouds. If you read what you post you would understand that.

If it makes rain then it enhances "weather". It is possible it also enhances "climate" or you are free to show me studies where the climate will 100% not be affected.

Nice combination there. A strawman argument based on proving a negative. Very logical of you.

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I have read what I posted. It's in black and white. lol No need to be rude.

Your attitude about the subject seems like a personal one and I'm not going there with you.

www.wmo.int...

And lets "Own the Weather in 2025" ... you are a proponent of this I assume?csat.au.af.mil...

Within the next three decades, the concept of weather-modification could expand to include
the ability to shape weather patterns by influencing their determining factors.

The way I see it... they may be playing with this new toy and it backfire on a global scale. How do we know it will not put people in danger with a massive killer tornado? Oops.. sorry for all those dead people. We were just playing with our new toy. We didn't mean for it to go 100 miles. Really? I don't know Phage...

reply to post by MamaJ


That paper was written as a fictional paper to highlight potential ways the Air Force could continue to be a world leader in technology. Try reading some of the bits in it, and it clearly spells that out. And as I pointed out to someone else, there is no way that at least three of the things they say would be active by 2025 (12 years from now) would be even in the same room as built, let alone operational.

reply to post by MamaJ

you are a proponent of this I assume?

A proponent of what? Using weather in warfare? No, I'm not. But I'm not surprised that you would use an exercise in imagination as evidence of something.

This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or
events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only

csat.au.af.mil...
Do you really think you've shown anything that has not been discussed ad infinitum?

The way I see it... they may be playing with this new toy and it backfire on a global scale.

Trying to squeeze a bit of rain out of a cumulus cloud can have global consequences? Gosh.

reply to post by Phage


Phage, you are right.

reply to post by Zaphod58


You are right, no way at all.

reply to post by MamaJ

Show me the US and China are not doing studies on geo-enginering/weather modification... They are.

But you didn't ask me that did you?

Weather modification has been done in many countries as cloud seeding is not new.

There is a difference between studies and actually implementing such things, and I never said they weren't doing studies on them.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

You are correct, I certainly remember looking up at the sky as a child and being amazed at planes high overhead leaving contrails.... They didn't however cover the sky with a hazy cloud that persists and spreads to cover the whole sky. If they had I wouldn't look them now and feel them strange or odd and out of place.

As I am a child of the 70's so this proves nothing.... see you always jump to conclusions without considering all the variables.

Korg.

waynos
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

It seems Mr Thumpy has guided you to the limit of your understanding given this sudden lurch off topic in order to once again cast doubt on other members motives as a substitute for discussion.

Shame, I was following that line of questioning with interest.

So what if you remember planes not leaving spreading trails when you were a child? People, including me, continue to see exactly that every day. Doesn't mean it never happened, it is merely a comment on your own memory.

edit on 11-10-2013 by waynos because: (no reason given)

And you mr all powerful super intelligence understanding of all.... are you the one to judge what is the upper limit of my mental capacity..

Give me a break!

Korg.

Phage
reply to post by MamaJ

 

You say studies for decades have been going on about why contrails persist... can you link me to these studies?

Here you go.
scholar.google.com...

Geo-engineering is being done. Have you researched this? I have linked you to a study in California.

Cloud seeding to enhance precipitation is not geoengineering. Cloud seeding to enhance precipitation does not affect climate.

edit on 10/11/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

This is funny....

Any form of project that effects the climate is indeed Geo Engineering. Just because you are working on a single cloud in an attempt to stimulate precipitation doesn't mean it is anything less.

Korg.

double post... sorry