Mars Water Surprise in Curiosity Rover Soil Samples

reply to post by 0bserver1


Or they thought they saw water in an image that leaves them with no way to tell.

Difference there.

sometimes we see water on earth where there is none.



Packets on the internet are a good thing. Without them, all the bits will slide off.

reply to post by AboveBoard


Persoanlly, I believe there is life on mars.

Not big life. Not fancy pants life or life wondering if there is life on that spec of blue up on the horizon...

but some sort of funky extremophile, that perhaps may exist somewhere we're not able to see.

and I could be wrong. And it really doesn't matter. But the possibility is there, given that where we look on this planet, in places where we do not expect it, life thrives.

It's pretty much an accepted fact now that Mars was at one point teaming with water. Not only that but they confirmed it was water we could actually drink.

Everywhere on earth where we have that water there is life, why would Earth be much more special than Mars. As we keep learning with extremophile life it can survive anywhere on earth also.

If life did arise on Mars I think it is highly likely it is still there, at least in an extremophile single cell form underground. Discoveries like this of so much moisture in the ground definitely increases those chances.

Awesome find somehow I missed this, really wish we could build some kind of tunneling probe to mars to look for signs of life.

This is the best news I've heard in awhile. I was just looking at the stars wanting to travel to them. Now they've found water on Mars.. We're going home someday.

hknudzkknexnt
This is amazing, I believe in my lifetime there will be Martian colonies. Some day we will have two worlds.

I bet there are vast pockets of water underground as well

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Hmmmm........what else might there be under the Martian ground?

When abundant amounts of water and O2 (!!!) get released from the soil with high heat...

Means a massive meteorite impact would create WATER and O2 when I read this right...
This is VERY interesting.....would a massive meteorite impact transform Mars into a new Earth?

I am all for space exploration, but selling the proverbial Brooklyn Bridge, disguised as the colonization of Mars, seems a bit "infomercial". If we can create a place to live out of a dead planet, then why can't we just fix up our own? The whole habitable Mars movement is a ploy to secure funding for pet projects of the big boys. Nothing wrong with exploring, and a lot more should be going on, but "selling" it to the sheeple as an infomercial is dishonest, and not a pattern I would like to see continue. Yay! Water on mars, again. Let's make Martian Ale!

spartacus699
reply to post by gortex

 

I bet the truth is more like this. That rover is actually in area 51. The operates might not all know that. One realized there was that water build up. The leaked the story. But the water was either rainfall or condensation building up since the rover is here.

There's an Xprize to get a rover on the moon. Now think about that, we can get a rover to mars but there's no need to send one to the moon? Does that make sense to you? The you-es didn't send one to the moon for fear that it would expose there fake lunar landing.

Now if this whole rover to the moon xprize gets cancelled for some unknown reason don't say I didn't warn you. After such a massive lie, to send anything to the moon now would be very risky. Because they would quickly find out that there's not a trace of any landing area.

why do they not put a robot on the moon i have always wondered that with the amount of probes we send to mars it would be a lot easier and a good bit cheaper to do this by nasa or get elon musk involved

reply to post by gortex


Step by step. Drop by drop.... NASA will discover actual Lakes, Rivers and Oceans on MARS...

S&f, Gortex.

0bserver1
reply to post by winofiend

 

yeah some members here pointed out on photo's taken by Nasa that they saw water.. But they have to sniff and sneeze before they really know what their seeing . I would say one picture says 1000 words?
but hey... whoam I, just a packet on the net!

Can you please show us which pictures you are talking about? I don't know of any picture that was allegedly a picture of liquid water (a pond, stream, lake, etc) that wasn't debunked. Most of those cases where people thought they saw water were mis-identifications of areas where NASA used the color blue in false-color imagery, or they mis-identified the ripples of sand dunes as ripples of water.

I know about the picture from the Phoenix lander showing drops of condensation on the leg of the lander was confirmed to be water, but I don't think that's what you are talking about. There is also the image from the Mars Global Surveyor taken in 2006 that shows what looks to be some water runoff in a crater, but that picture that potentially could show water was pointed out to us by NASA, not by people on ATS.

So please provide links to the images you are talking about. I would like to see them.

reply to post by AboveBoard

Ok. Dish. Why do you think life is currently on Mars?

Hi AB
It's a belief I have that's steadily got stronger over the years thanks to the excellent work done by NASA and their rovers , we know that Mars once had a magnetic field and a thicker atmosphere but now we know it also had significant quantities of water at its surface , all pointers to a hospitable place for life .
Here's an image created using data from the MARSIS radar on Mars Express of a former ocean of Mars .


A report was released last month that suggests life may have started on Mars before it did here on Earth and got transported from there to here , if that is the case then are we to believe that all life on Mars ceased to be because of the apparent loss of its water and magnetic shield ? , or is it more likely that it migrated underground to cave systems that were created by water using the same processes that occur here on Earth .... I find that a likely scenario .

Prof Benner explained: "It’s only when molybdenum becomes highly oxidised that it is able to influence how early life formed.
"This form of molybdenum couldn’t have been available on Earth at the time life first began, because three billion years ago, the surface of the Earth had very little oxygen, but Mars did. "It’s yet another piece of evidence which makes it more likely life came to Earth on a Martian meteorite, rather than starting on this planet."

Early Mars is also thought to have had a drier environment, and this is also crucial to its favourable location for life's origins. "What’s quite clear is that boron, as an element, is quite scarce in Earth’s crust," Prof Benner told BBC News, “but Mars has been drier than Earth and more oxidising, so if Earth is not suitable for the chemistry, Mars might be. "The evidence seems to be building that we are actually all Martians; that life started on Mars and came to Earth on a rock," he commented

And of course we have the image of possible flowing briny water on Mars today , I think it's possible that there are underground pools in those cave systems kept liquid by heat from the planets core , again a suitable habitat for life .


Of course I could be wrong and Mars may well be a baron lifeless planet but I believe that our red neighbor holds many surprises for us and ET microbial life is top of the list

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Thank you, gortex, for that detailed explanation! It is thread-worthy in and of itself!
I think you have a very sound argument pointing towards some form of life existing underground.
We know from our own earthly extreme environments that Life tends to adapt and flourish in the strangest of places. Winofiend is looking at that kind of possibility as well in his post above.

So - I'm with you guys on this. Thanks for taking the time to lay that out for me!

- AB

NoRulesAllowed
When abundant amounts of water and O2 (!!!) get released from the soil with high heat...

Means a massive meteorite impact would create WATER and O2 when I read this right...
This is VERY interesting.....would a massive meteorite impact transform Mars into a new Earth?

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Earth's atmosphere is not oxygen alone, there's is actually more of naturally occuring nitrogen in our every day breathing air than oxygen. 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen with less than a percent of argon, carbon dioxide and other elements.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


Well you pointed out some pretty clear examples.. And like Alda81 pointed out how many times did they confirmed water on Mars???

So now its a fact that there's water or will it be next month: The water we were talking about it's actually frozen methane.. or whatever that fits..

spartacus699
reply to post by gortex

 

There's an Xprize to get a rover on the moon. Now think about that, we can get a rover to mars but there's no need to send one to the moon? Does that make sense to you? The you-es didn't send one to the moon for fear that it would expose there fake lunar landing.

Now if this whole rover to the moon xprize gets cancelled for some unknown reason don't say I didn't warn you. After such a massive lie, to send anything to the moon now would be very risky. Because they would quickly find out that there's not a trace of any landing area.

Now that's being silly, the best proofs say they were on the Moon, the proofs against are superficial, or secondary.

reply to post by gortex


Terraforming is something to visualise, a fantastic idea in my youth, and a step nearer each time more information comes in the present. The big one though, is how to get the Mars dynamo going again to protect from harmful radiation. That could take many years of intense research, including why the dynamo failed in the first place, Vis-à-vis Earth's, and/or what place in time, the circumstances for both planets, and also what part our variable Sun played.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


There are pictures that NASA observations says are early morning dew. They are seen on parts of the rover, likely metal parts, and I would not disagree with that. Some parts of the world in arid areas collect dew like that in types of fences.

BTW, some might like this Youtube upload of moving micro objects on Mars, you can make your mind up about what the effects are. I don't think it is a wind effect per se.



This a link to an animation of the liquid observed on the Phoenix lander for the poster who replied to you.
planetary.org...
It's a good link as it provides the discussions first hand that took place as to what the liquid might be.

gortex
reply to post by AboveBoard

 

... but I believe that our red neighbor holds many surprises for us (...)

I would definitely subscribe to that statement of yours ... by the way: thanks for posting, that's what I call good news!

S&F

reply to post by AboveBoard


I also agree that life probably exists on Mars, especially if there is water. My POV is that if we can find life 1.7 miles below ground in pockets of water on earth and all the way up into the trophosphere here on earth, it's likely that we'll find similar on Mars. On earth, it's estimated that life appeared here within its first billion years of age. Considering that Mars is probably of a comparable age, it would've had enough time to develop life before whatever smacked the crap out of it happened.

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I believe they are taking us by baby steps first scientists discovered ALH 84001 in Antarctica this is an old meteorite that some how was determined it was blasted off the face of Mars some 16,000,000 years ago and came from Mars arriving on Earth some 13,000 years ago. The meteorite in some circles was determined to harbor possible microscopic or organic molecules.

Then recently we get news that possible life as we know it on Earth came from Mars and then we have proof that water exists on Mars from the Mars Curiosity Rover Mission. Yes satellite photos showing water run offs, also snow and ice from the Viking Missions. The next biggie will be that rover missions discovered microscopic life forms on Mars. Mars is full of lifeforms tiny and large you will see as things progress. ^Y^