If it started on Year One

Well, I did a search here and couldn't find any information regarding this date. This guy is claiming the calendar should be read from year one of Gregorian calendar. He goes into explaining why 12-21-12 didn't have all of the "Gears and cogs" of the Mayan calendar perfectly aligned, but he believes that 12-16-13 does. What does this mean? Who really knows, but check out this break down:

Wheels working together

The Mayan Calendar consists of three separate corresponding calendars, the Long Count, the Tzolkin (divine calendar) and the Haab (civil calendar). Time is cyclical in the calendars and a set number of days must occur before a new cycle can begin.

The three calendars are used simultaneously. The Tzolkin and the Haab identify and name the days, but not the years. The Long Count date comes first, then the Tzolkin date and last the Haab date. A typical Mayan date would read: 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahau 8 Kumku, where 13.0.0.0.0 is the Long Count date, 4 Ahau is the Tzolkin date and 8 Kumku is the Haab date."

[link to www.timeanddate.com]

We don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at year 0 right???? It goes like -2 B.C, 1 B.C. 1 A.D, 2 A.D. and so on. You don't start counting the years on the day Christ was born. We skip over that zero year. It has no value! There is no zero year.

So why did these Mayan calendar researchers count zero year, thus coming up with the end date of Dec. 21st or 23rd, 2012? It makes no sense! How could they have be so stupid not to have figured this out?

They started counting at:

Aug. 11th, -3113 or 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau) (ZERO YEAR) and that is how researchers arrived to the date of Dec. 21st, 2012 for the end of the 13th baktun 13.0.0.0.0 or 4 Ahau, 3 Kankin.

Not argueing that the calendar didn't start on 4 Ahau is the Tzolkin date and 8 Kumku is the Haab date or August 11, -3113 in the Gregorian calendar.

What I am pointing out is you don't start counting the Long count calendar year at 0 (just like we don't start counting our Gregorian calendar at 0 but instead we start it at year 1). Thus, the Mayan Code has now been cracked!

This is the calendar convertor tool:

[link to www.diagnosis2012.co.uk]

In order for the cycle to be complete, the Long Count calendar has to be at the end of its cycle, and the Tzolkin has to be at the end of its cycle or 13 Ahau. It is like the gears have to be perfectly in tuned or in sync. December 21st, 2012 didn't have all gears perfectly interlocked thus it fails.

The main reason why Carl Calleman came up with his Oct. 28th, 2011 end of the Long Count date, was because it fell on 13 Ahau of the Tzolkin calendar. He stressed that 13 Ahau is very important, which is why 4 Ahau on Dec. 21st, 2012 can't be the end date saying below:

"Another equally compelling reason why December 21, 2012 cannot be the true date of completion of creation is that this day is 4 Ahau in the tzolkin count. Since the Long Count consists of exactly 7200 tzolkin rounds then the true end of creation must fall on a day that is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count so that the tzolkin rounds even out. If we want to find out what is the real date of ending of the creation cycles we must therefore look for a day around the year 2012, which is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count. The inscriptions in Palenque, written about a thousand years after the Long Count was devised in Izapa, seem to indicate that the date of relevance is October 28, 2011, which in fact is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count."

[link to www.calleman.com]

Well.......Dec. 16th, 2013 is 13 Ahau also!

Calleman's theory is correct, he is just got the wrong 13 Ahau date!

To further explain:

"The Tzolkin is a repeating cycle of 260 days which is made up of a cycle of 13 being repeated 20 times. The Tzolkin is read from the top left (1 Imix), down 20 places to the bottom of the first column (7 Ahau) up to the top of the second column (8 Imix) and so on. The cycle of 13 repeats itself in such a way that, over the 260 days, all 20 of the glyphs in the key to the left of the Tzolkin appear 13 times. The 260 day cycle ends with 13 Ahau."

[link to www.dr-rock.biz]

For the calendar to end of 4 Ahau or Dec. 21st, 2012 never made any sense to me which is why I was intrigued with Ian Lungold and Carl Calleman's theories.

13 Ahau is the highest form of completion in regards to the Tzolkin calendar and when you combine that with the 13th baktun, you get the highest form of calendar completion, interlocking the gears in the Mayan cycle. Thus, Dec. 16th, 2013 is 13 Baktun and 13 Ahau. The strongest possible completion you can possibly get! Maximum completion is when it reaches 13.0.1.0.0 or Dec. 16th, 2013! You can't get maximum calendar completion or the Long Count and Tzolkin calendar synchnocity when it reads 13.0.0.0.0 or Dec. 21st, 2012

Again, the Mayans used a 13:20 sync and this is seen in the Tzolkin calendar. The Tzolkin begins at 1 Imix, and ends on 13 Ahau and the 13:20 sync cycle is also used to figure out the katuns and baktuns as shown below:

20 kins equal 1 uinal or 20 days
18 uinals equal 1 tun or 360 days
20 tuns equal 1 katun or 7,200 days
20 katuns equal 1 baktun or 144,000 days

[link to www.hanksville.org]

So I plugged in the numbers and calculated this. As soon below, the numbers clearly don't like when I take the end date of Dec. 16th, 2013 and work backwords using a 13:20 cycle sync. Here is the example below:

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 1,872,000 days or 144,000 days x 13 baktun cycles = August 5th -3113 (13 Ahau) All 13 Batuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 93,600 days or 7,200 days x 13 cycle katuns = Sept. 9th, 1757 (13 Ahau) All 13 Katuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 4680 days or 360 days x 13 cycle tuns = Feb. 22nd, 2001 (13 Ahau) All 13 Tuns completed!

Dec. 16th, 2013 minus 260 days or 20 days x 13 cycle uinals = March 31st, 2013 (13 Ahau) All 13 Uinals completed!

You see, all the gears rotate perfectly this way. It can't be done if you compute it by Dec. 21st, 2012 because everything would fall on a 4 Ahau for the Baktun completion, the Katun completion, the Tun completion, and the Uinal completion, and we know now that this can't be the case because the end of the Tzolkin 260 day cycle is 13 Ahau, not 4 Ahau!

In order for the calendar to reach maximum competion the 20 uinals, the 20 tuns, the 20 katuns, and the 20 baktuns have to be completed in the 13 cycle, all reaching 13 Ahau. Get it?

And as shown above with my calculations, it does! Maximum completion is shown on Dec. 16th, 2013 and again can't be done for computing the date of Dec. 21st, 2012.

December 16th, 2013 (13 Ahau Maximum Completion). All 13 Ahaus line up perfectly! The Long Count and the Tzolkin perfectly interlock and sync together. It is like hitting the jackpot!

Ok so that's actually fairly compelling, and another way to look at the symmetry:

Thus, zero year shouldn't have been included figuring out the end date as shown below:

Dec 16th, 2013 13.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau)

144,000 days earlier or 1 baktun cycle...

Sept. 13th, 1619 12.0.1.0.0 (1 Ahau)

144,000 days earlier or another baktun cycle

June 10th, 1225 11.0.1.0.0 (2 Ahau)

and so on....

March 8th, 831 10.0.1.0.0 (3 Ahau)

Dec. 3rd, 436 9.0.1.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Aug. 31st 42 8.0.1.0.0 (5 Ahau)

May 28th, -352 7.0.1.0.0 (6 Ahau)

Feb. 23rd -746 6.0.1.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Nov. 21st -1141 5.0.1.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Aug. 18th -1535 4.0.1.0.0 (9 Ahau)

May 16th -1929 3.0.1.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 10th -2323 2.0.1.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 8th -2718 1.0.1.0.0 (12 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau) (YEAR 1)

Aug. 11th, -3113 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau) (ZERO YEAR)


You can see then when it starts on August 5th, -3112 B.C. (13 Ahau) and you go baktun by baktun (144,000 days each) it goes up the ladder perfectly. 13 Ahau, 12 Ahau, 11 Ahau, 10 Ahau, and so on, until it reaches 13 cycle baktun completion on Dec. 16th, 2013 and 13 Ahau, It doesn’t equate if you compute it with the base of Dec. 21st, 2012 as shown below:

Dec 21st, 2012 13.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau)

Sept. 18th, 1618 12.0.0.0.0 (5 Ahau)

June 15th, 1224 11.0.0.0.0 (6 Ahau)

March 13th, 830 10.0.0.0.0 (7 Ahau)

Dec. 9th, 435 9.0.0.0.0 (8 Ahau)

Sept. 5th, 41 8.0.0.0.0 (9 Ahau)

June 3rd, -353 B.C. 7.0.0.0.0 (10 Ahau)

Feb. 28th -747 B.C. 6.0.0.0.0 (11 Ahau)

Nov. 26th -1142 B.C. 5.0.0.0.0 (12 Ahau)

Aug. 23rd -1536 B.C. 4.0.0.0.0 (13 Ahau)

May 21st -1930 B.C. 3.0.0.0.0 (1 Ahau)

Feb. 16th -2324 B.C. 2.0.0.0.0 (2 Ahau)

Nov. 13th -2719 B.C. 1.0.0.0.0 (3 Ahau)

August 5th -3112 B.C. 0.0.1.0.0 (13 Ahau) (YEAR 1)

Aug. 11th, -3113 B.C. 0.0.0.0.0 (4 Ahau) (ZERO YEAR)

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This guy came up with this idea two years before 12-21-12 even came to pass. So, which one is truly the right date to consider as the end/beginning date?

DId he take leap years into account??

I think someone may have forgotten to carry a 1. But seriously, I have been missing doom porn since the passing of comet elenin and 12/21/2012. Welcome back my sweet friend, welcome back

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Doom Porn? Nice name. I still can't understand why people want it to end? It's not that bad yet!

thesmokingman
I think someone may have forgotten to carry a 1. But seriously, I have been missing doom porn since the passing of comet elenin and 12/21/2012. Welcome back my sweet friend, welcome back

They are starting to trickle in but...
Have no fear C/2012 S1 (ISON) is right around the corner and we will be neck deep in Doom posts in no time!

you think comet ISON has anything to do with it?

Wow... a new date

All right, a new closer doom date How about Sept. 21st, 2013, I have that day open. December is full of christmas shopping and planning holiday events. December is a bad month for the end of the world. Who knows, I could choke on a turkey leg at thanksgiving and miss it.

Lmfao each response in this thread thusfar deserves a star.

The porn is only doomy if you're not enjoying it.

I propose the 2012 forum be renamed "201(2 with a strike-through)3+..."

no one can predict the future only God. And I don't think he's revealed to any whole population when things will end.

spartacus699
no one can predict the future only God. And I don't think he's revealed to any whole population when things will end.

Nah even I don't know the fu.. oh wait..

Yeah he probably does !!

oO

Doom Porn. Still roflmao. 2012 was I covered; nope! Bought a solar panel; so I could rip out my car stereo and have some tunes! Spam, yep got 4 can's and some corn beef hash; 3 cans.

I'm more concerned about GMO's and Zombie's then the end of the world! Oh, did get a box of wine, drank it and then filled it with water

Did buy some too-back-ooo seeds to sell just in case! RYO papers and filters; I had it all planned out! Live out in no where land so if the crap hit the fan, everyone keeps their guns in the cars anyway so while people were freaking out I would just run the 4 streets in town and get them going!

The sky is falling. Grab the red barb wire and let's wire up the town!

I sure do not want it to end though. Would miss watching the bunny's rome the streets, birds singing in the morning and the idea on Not having to go to work that day as a Slave. It's bad enough having to watch Lazy people do nothing all day at work; people accept this?

Good side though at least if something did happened. I would still have my tunes and spam for 2 day's! Then I would actually enjoy my work, make it a better place for all and hope the Sun come's up the next day! Alright; forgot the 3 days of darkness!

Have you read that crap? have to lock your door cause the demons are walking the earth! No! People freaking out raving Mad you have to concider. So much for the tunes those 3 day's; have to wait some. Party Poopers!

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Well we'll find out in 10 days if this date means anything significant!

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Just two more days!

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So, I guess that moron meant the 16th of December 2013? Glad this is over as well.

Could we finally stop with the date predictions? Have we not learned enough from the literally hundreds of failed doomsday predictions?

I am sure this was meant semi-seriously anyway. But I am kind of getting tired of it.