99% sure my friend is a (new) abductee. Can you help?

reply to post by JayinAR


Evidently you have not arrived at contexts and situations where all that was within you was insufficient to deal with the threats at hand.

Many of us have had a different set of experiences down a different path.

Should you ever end up in such a situation, you WILL RECALL these exchanges hereon. I pray they prove instructive at that point.

reply to post by BO XIAN


I don't think the occult is necessary though.

For instance, if I refer to them as aliens (as I know you call them demons, fallen angels, etc) and I bend my will to have them show themselves, that is not occult. I do not consider them to necessarily be spiritual in nature (although I am leaning more and more towards that possibility all the time). From my frame of reference it is just the desire to see a technologically advanced species. At any rate, I think you can invite them in that way.

You can test this yourselves. Go out and look. But don't just look. Trust that you are going to see a UFO. If you think on this every day, and watch closely, you WILL eventually see one.

reply to post by JayinAR


I agree. I think one can invite contact.

There's lots of evidence of that.

Actually, IIRC, Guy et al note that as ONE OF THE DOORS that opens to that realm . They just include THAT AS dabbling in the occult.

I think that scientist Dr Jacques Vallee's 10 years of research into the topic . . . concluding with his assessment that they are evil spiritual creatures from an evil spiritual dimension is very telling.

I think that like me, he began his research not knowing what they were and letting the data take him where it would.

reply to post by BO XIAN


I agree with much of what Vallee says, but not all of it.
In fact, if I am being perfectly honest, I have come to the point now where I agree with him nearly 100% when he refers to them as mechanisms of control.

However, when I had my ordeal, I was firmly in the ETH realm. I thought I was dealing with Mork from Ork. Hence my comments.

It is still interesting that you can send them packing by cussing at them.

If we remove Godly stuff from the equation, what does that tell us? Humans have a tremendous amount of power at their disposal, at some level. We just don't understand it yet.

reply to post by JayinAR


I certainly agree with Dr Jacques Vallee about the critters being involved in a very heavy handed mechanism of control as well.

That seems to be one of their priority goals and methodologies.

I was reading another thread about prions being increasingly found even in plants . . .

I wonder how much of the cattle mutilation stuff was checking on how pervasive the deadly stuff was becoming . . . as a way of calculating when to spring the next level of !CONTROL! on the survivors . . .

or when to light up the death chambers to sweep away masses of already 'doomed' serfs and slaves?