70%+ Liberals oppose Syrian intervention; message to world - if Obama acts it is without the support

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I'm so sick of your attitude.

I'm a liberal progressive, and I DON'T WANT WAR! WE DON'T WANT WAR! I want Obama IMPEACHED and THROWN IN PRISON FOR WAR CRIMES, along with Bush and Rumsfeld and McCain and Kerry, too.

Get over yourself, xuenchen, stop with the libel and partisan hatred. We are AMERICANS!!!

GOD DAMN IT!! STOP!!! And HAVE YOU CONTACTED YOUR CONGRESSMEN?
I have, and I told them to say NO, and suggested impeaching Obama. I am furious about this.

edit on 5-9-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

You are spot on

I have not only contacted my congressman and senator, but also wrote to the White House

Originally posted by all2human
An Al-Qaeda-linked group attacked a predominantly Christian village
rt.com...
This is what will be supported and encouraged..

edit on 4-9-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

I totally agree.

Obama does not speak out on the more than 1400 Christians killed in the middle east for just being Christian, and their houses, businesses destroyed, the women raped with impunity. But this is off topic, bad OP, bad,bad

Back to topic, it appears the overall consensus of the American is that intervention is supported by only 1 out of every 250 Americans. That is what has been estimated based on congressional calls, polls, etc.

My opinion is - It doesn't matter whether you oppose or agree. The Illuminati create the war so they don't ask you.

Originally posted by curiousme333
HEY!!!! I'm serious!!! This could very well lead to WW3 We can't just bicker about it here on A.T.S We need to push our chairs back,,,make some signs and do this!!!! FOR ALL THE LIVES AT STAKE!!!! And for all those who have already been killed. Think of the children people,,for GODS sake,, think of all the children!!

You are so right. It looks like Kerry and Obama are itching to start WWIII

Why did Kerry say that an Arab country will pay our expenses if we bomb Syria - are we now the mercenaries of the world? Which Arab country? What is their motive? Why? Why would Obama even consider using the US military in a mercenary action?

Don't just bicker on ATS, get out into MSM threads and get your meme going.

Originally posted by s12307
My opinion is - It doesn't matter whether you oppose or agree. The Illuminati create the war so they don't ask you.

Isn't it time we rose up against the Illuminati.

Remember they are a handful of people according to all conspiracy theorists.

If ATS conspiracy theorists are right. When WWIII starts at their bidding, remember only they will be left, let's see them plow fields, tend sheep, because the sheeple will be gone.

It is up to us to wake up the sheeple and take back our world. It is the secret rulers of the world greatest fear.

What I am seeing is the Liberals/progressives are the biggest sheeple, no, they are ostrich, instead of following, they stick their heads in the sand when told to and ignore the violence of war, the total and nearly complete of privacy and surveillance, the killing of americans without trial, holding americans without charges or trials (forget that libs?).

www.allgov.com...
President Barack Obama on New Year’s Eve signed legislation that cements into law two highly controversial tenets of the war on terror: indefinite detention of terrorism suspects without charge, and the jailing of American citizens without trial.

If you are awake and want others to wake up, go to MSM threads, they will delete what you say, but it is out for brief periods and we can wake up the sheeple, we can overthrow and overwhelm the Illuminati, it IS within our power.

(ok, next notice you will see is my obituary)

But freedom and freeing us from the "crazy overlords" (Obama et al) we have is worth it for my children and grandchildren

Now FYI, in reality, I don't personally believe in the Illuminati, or the global conspiracies talked about on ATS.

However, I do believe we can take back our country from the crazy's who want to turn our country into something worse than Hitler envisioned.

We do it by not staying silent and by waking up as many people as we can.

Believe it or not ONE person can change the world, and one person can definitely change the world meme's

Originally posted by grandmakdw

Originally posted by s12307
My opinion is - It doesn't matter whether you oppose or agree. The Illuminati create the war so they don't ask you.

Isn't it time we rose up against the Illuminati.

Remember they are a handful of people according to all conspiracy theorists.

If ATS conspiracy theorists are right. When WWIII starts at their bidding, remember only they will be left, let's see them plow fields, tend sheep, because the sheeple will be gone.

It is up to us to wake up the sheeple and take back our world. It is the secret rulers of the world greatest fear.

What I am seeing is the Liberals/progressives are the biggest sheeple, no, they are ostrich, instead of following, they stick their heads in the sand when told to and ignore the violence of war, the total and nearly complete of privacy and surveillance, the killing of americans without trial, holding americans without charges or trials (forget that libs?).

www.allgov.com...
President Barack Obama on New Year’s Eve signed legislation that cements into law two highly controversial tenets of the war on terror: indefinite detention of terrorism suspects without charge, and the jailing of American citizens without trial.

If you are awake and want others to wake up, go to MSM threads, they will delete what you say, but it is out for brief periods and we can wake up the sheeple, we can overthrow and overwhelm the Illuminati, it IS within our power.

(ok, next notice you will see is my obituary)

But freedom and freeing us from the "crazy overlords" (Obama et al) we have is worth it for my children and grandchildren

Now FYI, in reality, I don't personally believe in the Illuminati, or the global conspiracies talked about on ATS.

However, I do believe we can take back our country from the crazy's who want to turn our country into something worse than Hitler envisioned.

We do it by not staying silent and by waking up as many people as we can.

Believe it or not ONE person can change the world, and one person can definitely change the world meme's

edit on 5-9-2013 by grandmakdw because: grammar

edit on 5-9-2013 by grandmakdw because: spelling

I think, the real sheeple is those who listen to the media. Not the mainstream, but also the "opposite" media. The war in Syria is made by elite, and the news about this war is spread by them, so when you discuss it, you accept their fake news. What about WW3, it will not happen. They need just to control the people of this arab country, establish the false government and then collect the biometric data of the citizens like troops did in Afganistan. After this, one more country is IN the NWO under their control. It's that simple! All the Russia's Putin and Obama says "bla bla lba" is just theatricals.

And you cannot rise against the Illuminati, they are not that stupid to allow to do it.

It feels like 0bama is a madman with an axe, and trying to destroy everything within sight, mainly his arrogant destructive rewriting of America. He is the last thing we need in a position of power in this world stage, and he has destroyed or tried to change the moral might of America. But America will resist even if it comes to civil unrest.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I'm so sick of your attitude.

I'm a liberal progressive, and I DON'T WANT WAR! WE DON'T WANT WAR! I want Obama IMPEACHED and THROWN IN PRISON FOR WAR CRIMES, along with Bush and Rumsfeld and McCain and Kerry, too.

Get over yourself, xuenchen, stop with the libel and partisan hatred. We are AMERICANS!!!

GOD DAMN IT!! STOP!!! And HAVE YOU CONTACTED YOUR CONGRESSMEN?
I have, and I told them to say NO, and suggested impeaching Obama. I am furious about this.

edit on 5-9-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Hit a sore spot have we !!

You claim to be a 'liberal progressive' and right away say 'stop with the libel and partisan hatred'

The ultra Liberal agenda supports Obama 100%. Always has, always will.

This ruse to make it look like Liberals are against the Obama agenda is just that, a ruse.

It looks like the mainstream anti-war movement has moved into deeper trenches along with some other ultra Liberal idealisms. Typical ultra Liberal guerrilla tactics at work. They light the fuses and then retreat.

It's all part of the game to make it look good and make people think that things are 'evening' out.

The new Liberal buzzword is 'we are all Americans'.

Everything is going according to plan.

Don't be fooled by the camouflage.

Part of the ultra Liberal agenda is to achieve a 'one party' system.

And of course you know full well that Impeachment will never pass through the ultra Liberal Senate.

The ultra Left Wing movement has been here for a Looonng time.

Don't get baited in. It will be the fall of America as we knew it.

btw, what did you do when the Libya strikes were happening ?

And did you support the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ?

Do you support the American presence in Afghanistan ?

Do you support the American backing of Al-Quida forces in Syria ?

Have you been as loud about all those things as you are about this latest ruse ?

Maybe there's hope.

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by AlliumIslelily

 

Even Pelosi's 5 year old grandson had the sense to tell his grandmother, no war! And she had the nerve to compare his reaction to that of the American people. Now now children, let me tell you why killing lots and lots of syrians is a good thing, you see they killed some of their own children, now we have to go kill them. Soooooooo rational.

While I agree with NO WAR, there is no way Pelosi had a conversation with her grandson the way she stated it. A 5 year old? No.

reply to post by TheMagus


Just a quick correction to your calculations as the VAP numbers are in thousands. Ergo, the 229,445 voting population would be 229 million voters with 67 million voting Obama into office. Big difference between 67,017 and 67,017,000.

Originally posted by s12307

I think, the real sheeple is those who listen to the media. Not the mainstream, but also the "opposite" media. The war in Syria is made by elite, and the news about this war is spread by them, so when you discuss it, you accept their fake news. What about WW3, it will not happen. They need just to control the people of this arab country, establish the false government and then collect the biometric data of the citizens like troops did in Afganistan. After this, one more country is IN the NWO under their control. It's that simple! All the Russia's Putin and Obama says "bla bla lba" is just theatricals.

And you cannot rise against the Illuminati, they are not that stupid to allow to do it.

edit on 5-9-2013 by s12307 because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-9-2013 by s12307 because: (no reason given)

You could be completely right or you could be wrong. Just depends what the elites want to accomplish this time around. Could be they want some war. War is profit, plain and simple.

reply to post by grandmakdw


You are absolutely correct the illuminate and all its sub-sets need to be cleansed from the world.
What is not common knowledge is how pervasive their system of control is.
This system is now in its fourth generation of psychologically altered humans.

These alters are traumatized from sometimes before birth even , while in-vitro .
There are many thousands of them now as you can imagine with a fourth generational spread.

The minds of these individuals is so traumatized mostly now by their own parents who themselves are alters so therefor have no compunction what so ever of handing their children over to be traumatized and form the next generation of alters.

The comedy drama called "The United States of Tara" , somewhat depicts the outcome of trauma upon the psyche.

Just like all things the illuminate engage in , they put it in plane sight for their sick amusement.
These are the most seriously perverted people that your imagination could ever conjure up.

People often ask , "Why do we the American people allow what is happening to happen".
I now truly believe that it is through the insidious growth of the Altar", within the American population.

This disease of mind control has invaded thousands of organizations and civil structures.

These people have multiple personalities , so the primary altar may in fact be very amiable on the surface.
But the hidden altars that can be triggered by their handlers can and have been shown in some of the horrendous mass shootings within the U.S to be totally insane.

I believe it is even quite possible that you now have a President in place or perhaps even the last three presidents that have been illuminate mild control alters.

Your current President has no clear background to speak of, does he?

I'm not saying that America is the only place this taking place , for they have infested the world.

Children have been taken from parents for the programming if they are deemed by the handlers to have special gifts that the illuminate wish to use and the parents have been brainwashed to forget that any event or kidnap had ever happened.

The programming works the best from a invitro state it then proceeds with pain administer to the foetus to cause a disassociated state. The is occurs with anyone if they are traumatized over a period of time.

The foetus is then forced into an early birth , which also traumatizes them.

This lays fertile ground for first 18 months of focused intensive love and attention.
After the 18 month period the child's primary handler then turns around and abuses the child.
This causes the final psychotic split within the child and creates the altars.

The child is also programed with extensive obedience instructions and must be able to sit quietly while they attach brain scans to them to assess what type of personality bracket they fall under. This can go on for hours.

When the personality has been understood they then choose which type of role this child will play in society for the illuminate.
Some become Assassins others Sex Slaves and there are many more kinds of altars produced by this process.
We are talking , Judges, Doctors, Teachers , Politicians, Media Stars, Priests , Nurses , what ever they need to insert into any organization to steer their ideologies.
Children that do not make the grade are sometimes used for blood sacrifices and they use alters that have already been through the programme to create more alters.

There religious belief system is called "The Luciferians " the link below will take you to a description of how they worship their belief and the difference to that of the Satanists.

altreligion.about.com...

This description seems almost harmless doesn't it?
Well it's not.
I will also include the link to a book written about "The Illuminate Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave ". WARNING you will need a strong disposition to be able to stomach what you will read in this book.
educate-yourself.org... .

Everyone needs to safeguard their children and those that do not have parents to look after their wellbeing.

If this is allowed to continue the world will really become hell personified.

It is not just Americans who are against, it is pretty much the entire world. This is the first time since America government lost it`s mind after 9/11 and starting attacking nation they desire at anytime they desire, that the people of the world have stood up and said `no more of this madness.`

Even other Capitalist controlled governments are rejecting this war. I am truly shocked, amazed and glad that the world has woken up to the American war machine. People don`t want war anymore. The people are tired of war. The US Empire has earned so many enemies that the America people are seriously had enough.

It would be totally stupid for the US for start a war in Syria. Yet, I have witness the US government get away with a lot of madness internationally during my life so they might just vote to make war in Syria anyway.

As a side note. It is clear why a lot of Capitalist nations are rejecting to support a US war in Syria.
Reason #1 They is nothing in it for then when it comes to making profit
Reason #2 They most likely cannot afford it and it would hurt their relations with Russia, Iran and make things worse with the DPRK.

OK...so some of you claim to be liberal, progressive, etc. Then when, not if, Obama goes against the will of the American people...will you vote, protest and demand his impeachment? Will everyone demand their representatives vote for his impeachment or loose their jobs? Will we all stand behind this simple idea?

I doubt it. You guys put him in there...this is your doing. You need to stand taller than those of us who didn't vote for him. You must speak louder...not at the same volume as us. You need to march on Washington in greater numbers. You asked for it, now you see the problem...GO DO SOMETHING. Then maybe us Americans can fix America. Because we sure as hell can't do it with him there, and with our representatives fearless of us.

All of our government needs to fear for their jobs and their livelihood on a daily basis. They need to say "I better do what they want". They need to learn fear of us...and we should never have to fear them. No terms..."at will" employees...no setting their own pay...no special health care options. If I don't do my job...I get fired. They must be in the same boat.

reply to post by WeAreAWAKE


You are so spot on!!!

The Liberals/progressives and those who voted for Obama should be the first to demand a real impeachment (removal from office). Obama promised them no more war, peace in the middle east, and better middle east relationships.

When the vast majority of Americans to the point of it will be a NO vote in Congress, to the world saying NO. If this ego manic goes ahead just to save face, he needs to be removed from office.

Here is the message I sent my congressman and senators today, this is my second message to them.

Please, please, please FORCE A VOTE on Syria so that Obama can be impeached if he goes against the will of the American people which is quite clear, the will of congress, and the will of the rest of the world. He is a mad man for even considering it, especially since Russia is threatening to get involved and Iran threatening our soil. Obama does not need to be saving face or playing chicken with the rest of the world when millions can die as a result. He's crazy!


Here is the message I sent the White House:

PLEASE do NOT attack Syria. It is clear from Russia's and Iran's response that it WILL trigger a major war. Is the killing of millions really worth "saving face"?
Our troops are war weary, we already can't fund another war and how can you even consider letting our troops be mercenaries for some middle eastern country? Now it looks like you are even afraid to hear from congress as it is being considered to drop the vote on the issue. It is quite clear from the calls and messages from the American people that 99.9% of the American people OPPOSE getting involved in a 3 year old civil war. I question the sanity of considering going ahead with this in the face of Russia and Iran threatening to get involved and the ENTIRE world saying don't do it!

I come from a military family that can be traced back from a Hessian soldier that became a colonist so I am looking at this whole issue and it makes no sense. (militarily)
When Syria was launching scuds with gas on people, if we were going to do anything we should have nipped it in the bud immediately!
When Syria 'heard' the USA was possibly going to respond militarily, what did Syria do? They pulled their scud launchers and the troops responsible back from their attack position!
It's like this, lets say I was a burglar and knew you had a lot of expensive jewelery and precious metal and I called you and told you "in a couple weeks I might be burglarizing your home looking for gold, silver and jewelery" what are the chances when I get around to your house the jewels and precious metals won't be there? I would say it's a pretty good chance when I finally got to your house you would have moved and hidden everything I told you I was targeting!