Are we vulnerable to an invasion?

Originally posted by enomus

Not to mention, the average gun owners probably aren't the greatest shot, either. Many have guns, but don't really use them often.

you, my friend, obviously do not live in the south.

Amen to that and a history of shooting everyone that doesnt look like us to boot.

An invasion of the type most of you are talking about will not happen to the USA.

Where are they gonna assembly this HUGE army? The only people we spy on more than our enimies is our friends.

They gonna try a Landing?

Grady you were a Marine would YOU want to make an opposed landing here?

They can sneak in spies and terrorists but I dont see the clasic invasion happening in the near future

Originally posted by Amuk
Grady you were a Marine would YOU want to make an opposed landing here?

They can sneak in spies and terrorists but I dont see the clasic invasion happening in the near future

Well, that's basically what I said in my previous post. A traditional amphibious landing would be very difficult to pull off, since we would see them coming from a long way off. We would see them coming before they left, in fact.

The truth is that we are very vulnerable and one need only point to 9/11. Eventually, we are going to succumb because of our open society and the ACLU attitude that any compromise during times of war is an intolerable inconvenience.

A very large number of Americans are undeserving of their freedom and because of their arrogance and false sense of entitlement, the rest will suffer. I'm breaking off a relationship with a woman for the very reason that she falls into just such a catagory. Don't sleep with the enemy.

My advice is to buy yourself some serious arms and a good supply of ammuntion and be willing to go down in a hail of enemy gunfire. It is far better to die in this way than to live in slavery and fear.

Death before dishonor.

TextWhere are they gonna assembly this HUGE army? The only people we spy on more than our enimies is our friends

Have you heard about Chinas gigantic carg depot under construction in the Bahamas? It is the largest cargo depot on the planet, and it is only 200 miles from our mainland. Think about this my friend.

Originally posted by superdude
Have you heard about Chinas gigantic carg depot under construction in the Bahamas? It is the largest cargo depot on the planet, and it is only 200 miles from our mainland. Think about this my friend.

You STILL could not assemble an army big enough to invade I dont care if you did it in El Paso

Troop movements that large would send alarms weeks if not MONTHS before they are ready.

And Grady I am a backwoods hillbilly tell me to get Guns and Ammo is a joke. I have been shot before and I refuse to be anyones slave but the danger I see comes as much from within as without. You are old enough to remember when you didnt have to show an ID to buy a gun, the police had to have at least an excuse to search your car, etc.

What is the point of keeping from becoming another countries slave just to become this countries slave?

You can make all the excuses for our leaders you want we are headed in the wrong direction and if we have a traitor in the whitehouse does it matter if our chains have Republican on them instead of Democrat?

If we dont take this country back from the Big Two one way or another we will fall.

Originally posted by Damned

Originally posted by apw100
We are in ABSOLUTELY NO DANGER OF BEING INVADED. PERIOD.
Here are some reasons...
1. We are geographically isolated from our enemies. Because we are so far from any threat, it makes a surprise invasion virtually impossible.
2. Our intelligence would easily spot any troop build up that would be large enough to pose a threat to US security. We would have plenty of time to repel an invasion.
3. None of our enemies could finance an invasion of the US. The only country in the world with a military capabile of invading the US is China, and they cant even feed their own people, let alone finance an invasion of the most militarily powerful nation in the world. Even if they wanted to, our vastly superior navy would destroy any invasion fleet that they could muster.
4. The enemy knows that invading the US would bring swift and devestating retaliation from the US forces. Within days, every major city in the invading country would be flattened. No country could withstand the massive damage to their economy that would accompany such an attack.

I don't think you're in touch with reality. No country is safe from invasion. First of all, you're assuming that the reason behind the invasion would be to take over the US. This isn't necessarily so. Second, you're assuming that nukes or E bombs wouldn't be used to disable our communications and electronic equipment. One our technology is crippled, so is the entire country. America is not invincible, by no means. We rely on our technology to keep us safe. Everyone knows technology is never fool proof, and even less invincible. In the case of an actual invasion, you'd probably first notice that many electronic things just stopped working. Phones would be dead, power plants might cease suddenly, etc. Anyone with half a brain would know that you don't just invade the US without crippling our communications. Once communications are down, for the most part, we're pretty much wide open. Who's going to give the command to launch nukes if they can't even communicate with the silos? How are fighter jets going to fly when their electronics stop working? Don't fool yourself.

Read about E bombs....

www.popularmechanics.com...

[edit on 12-11-2004 by Damned]

Umm, FYI: The military does not communicate critical info over commercial comms. Our communications are redundant.

Autodin (being phased out)
Sippernet (classifed)
Nippernet (unclass)
DNS (replacing Autodin)

Those are the four primary networks, there are others..lots of them. And there is a redundancy in everything, even the facilities are redundant.

Sure, you could do it, but it would take weeks.

Okay, only the thread initator answered me, which means I was either way out there, or the scenario was plausible. So I want to ask a few questions of the pundits.

What makes you believe that any invading army will tip their hat as to who is invading? That is, if it is launched from under the waves you cannot know, despite how much you wish to proclaim you are that smart, you would not know which country has launched the attack unless the bombs release fireworks before hand and display a picture of Mao Tse Tung before it explodes.

Once your war games fleet is debilitated, and subsequently destroyed as whatever is left of them if any, lies limp in the waters, and a simultaneous attack from under the waves happens on your soil, who on earth do you attack, when you manage to deal with the magnitude of losses on your soil and the debilitating effects of the incoming missiles?

So eventually you let fly the nukes, and the instant that happens, they can expect to wave hello and goodbye to the nukes they cross, as they make ther way to your homeland. You don't survive, most of you don't. America is a wasteland save for the elect hiding in bunkers wondering whether to wipe out the entire world and themselves in the process, or come out speaking in tongues until one is understood. Do you really care if Rumsfeld can climb out of his rabbit hole in ten years, pump the air and release a gutteral cry of "we won, we won, we won" when you and your family gaze down at the outline that were your bodies?

Seriously now, the country of America as far as Russia, China and whatever are concerned, can afford to allow the north western hemisphere to cool for a few decades before they plant a flag on the soil and declare it West Asia.

Let's suppose China fired a volley of Nuclear Armaments in our direction
I think that if they did reach the continent that this would not only cause mass confusion amongst the public but also amongst the officials and it would
take at least hours to regroup that leaves a bit of a window for attack..

geo

Originally posted by geocom
take at least hours to regroup that leaves a bit of a window for attack..

So in these few hours they will assemble a few hundred thousand troops and all the suplies to go with them and send them halfway around the world? From the charred radioactive ruins of their homeland?Through the strongest navy in the world? Landing to fight the strongest Army in the world? Not to mention all the Gun nuts LOOKING for a reason to shoot someone?

Anything is possible but this dont sound PROBABLE

So in these few hours they will assemble a few hundred thousand troops and all the suplies to go with them and send them halfway around the world?

Actually it is plausible that it would not have to be half way around the world. Think about it. In this instance I'll use China as an example. They are in the process of bulding the largest cargo depot in the world - and it is only 200 miles from American soil in the Bahamas. The huge influx of chinese in Canada, and Mexico cannot be ignored. Chances are that the immigrants in Canada and Maexico are nothing more than common citizens, however we thought the same of Mohammed Atta. Remember him? Say that the Chinese also are covertly making that enormous cargo depot a quazi Army base. Shipping troops in the huge cargo bins that arrive daily. Sorry folks but this is not preposterous. Should all of the above be the case, invasion could happen in less than an hour from 3 separate fronts.

If anyone could do it, it would be China. They have a reasonably large navy that could be expanded quickly with new technologies they are working on like stealth ships as well as more standard craft. If they defeated the US navy the road for invasion would be open. The operation would most likely have to last years and be a war of attrition, with China's airforce (which is the largest in the world) trying to keep it's industry safe while slowly sending out ships to hammer the American fleet. It wouldn't be the first time a country with less technologically advanced weapons but more manpower has won in battle, Russia in WW 2 is a good example of this.

[edit on 13-11-2004 by Trent]

I have to agree with you Trent. It is certainly a possibility, if you believe in trends, just look at
history. I for one hope that the people in charge (who are hopefully more intelligent than I) are looking at this scenario as well.

Originally posted by superdude

So in these few hours they will assemble a few hundred thousand troops and all the suplies to go with them and send them halfway around the world?

They are in the process of bulding the largest cargo depot in the world - and it is only 200 miles from American soil in the Bahamas. The huge influx of chinese in Canada, and Mexico cannot be ignored. Chances are that the immigrants in Canada and Maexico are nothing more than common citizens, however we thought the same of Mohammed Atta. .

You can bet that the place is under several sattalites and crawling with spies right now,

An Army is not just people, its trucks, tanks, artillery, planes, food, weapons, ammo, fuel and a thousand other things ALONG with a navy strong enough to fight its way through the biggest most well equiped navy in the world and a country that would not hesitate to nuke the hell out of ANYTHING even CLOSELY looking like that. We would know about something like that weeks if not months before it happened.

Hell every country in the WORLD would know about it.

They couldnt hide the D-Day invasion from the Germans BEFORE we had such tech at our fingertips.

China knows if they did try that they would lose 500-600 million in the blink of an eye. What ANY country that trys that can look forward to is TOTAL destruction, we might face it too, but we will take them with us and they KNOW THIS. We have the most advanced army on earth and a enough nuclear missiles to kill EVERYONE on Earth and if invaded we would USE THEM.

Just like our war with the USSR it will be a war of our pawns not each other.

What we DO need to worry about is someone sneaking in a suitcase nuke. I think this is not only possible but WILL happen sooner or later. What would be even worse would be SEVERAL strikes in NY, LA, Chicago, Hustion, Detroit, Boston, etc; all at the same time.

The only reason the terrorists can get away with it is they have no country to strike back at.

Ok, we need to define what our idea of an "invasion" is. Are we talking about a sovereign nation(i.e.-China) conducting a tradional large scale invasion, or are we talking about a group of 100 terrorist? There is a big difference.
Oh, and about that Chinese storage depot in the Bahamas, its no threat to us. Its not a military or classified facility, which means it would be pretty hard to keep an invasion force hidden away in there. Secondly, as a previous person stated, there is no way that such a force could be put together without us knowing about it at least 1 month in advance.
I cant believe people think that we are at risk for a large scale invasion. Since China is the only country in the world that has a military capable of even attempting such a feat, we will talk about them.
Sure, China has a huge army and are modernizing it, they are still largely poorly equiped and trained. It would be like shooting ducks in a barrel. Also, China cant even feed its own people, let alone spend the trillions of dollars that would be needed to invade the US.

I listen to an NOAA broadcast this last May that talked about troops on the Ground near the Mexican border.

[I heard rumors they were Chinese from folks who own ranches in southern Arizona.]

Anybody else hear anything else since then?

thats why we have to go out and buy our modified m4's people! geeze get a grip!

an invasion anyhoo would be pretty interesting. ill need some target practice.

I listen to an NOAA broadcast this last May that talked about troops on the Ground near the Mexican border.

[I heard rumors they were Chinese from folks who own ranches in southern Arizona.]

This is exactly the point I'm making. Chinese troops in Mexico. Chinese troops in Canada. Chinese troops in the worlds largest cargo facility 200 miles off the soil of the USA. China testing their submarine capabilities within the last several days. China bonding an alliance with Iran. What do you think?

This is exactly the point I'm making. Chinese troops in Mexico. Chinese troops in Canada.

There is no evidence or reason to believe that there are Chinese troops anywhere in N.America. In fact the idea is silly. Neither Canada nor Mexico would allow them. Why would they? First, neither one particularly likes China. Secondly, if we found out that they were allowing Chinese troops in N.America, there would be hell to pay.

Chinese troops in the worlds largest cargo facility 200 miles off the soil of the USA.

There is no evidence or reason to believe that there are Chinese troops in a cargo facility in the Bahamas.

China testing their submarine capabilities within the last several days.

Good for them. We do the same thing all the time. Does that mean we are going to invade China?

China bonding an alliance with Iran. What do you think?

So what? We have had alliances at one time or another with both Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. That doesnt mean a thing. Its all business.


You are paranoid. Its unhealthy. lol j/k


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it must be so difficult being american. that constant paranoia must really contend with helping your international relations.

as much as i wouldn't mind seeing it happen, i truely believe an invasion attempt would be the greatest inept act of human endeavour ever. of course it could happen, and god speed to the chinese if they attempt it.

this topic makes me think of the effects on britain. i'm sure your puppet blair wouldn't even question providing aid; whether it be monetary or military. then think of poor old britain... not like we'd stand a chance. damnit

Im all set. I have a nasty Chihuaha that I have trained to attack anybody who smells like curry. (this is a tasteless joke, but I couldnt help it )

Curry

BLUELol - well frankly if it weren't for the USA you would be speaking German nowadays. i respect the UK very much, and consider them a good ally, however your cavalier attitude is quite disapointing. How on earth could you say you wouldn't mind it?
This is not the topic of this thread however. My main concern is if the USA could be invaded. Quite frankly, whether you want to believe it or not, it is a very real possibility/