The story and research of what turned me into a misogynist. (A look into misogynist's minds)

Originally posted by PtolemyII

Originally posted by Hollie
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Oh stop. That was trollish in itself. Lets look into this. If the OP allows us to.

So Bart, how is it that you do cope with the fact that women are indeed making worldly decisions? I mean, isn't it odd to you that women hold responsibility other than raising a child for her unconditional love? Such as love for her country? or her fellow brothers/sisters? or hers and others children? Don't you find it odd that a woman can find love in an unwanted child? or undesirable man? You see it all around you.

I may take issue with this fool, because I saw some of his other posts on the forum, bashing women.
I then called him a misogynist, and he's running with the ball, and you're all feeding his nonsense.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
I call a spade a spade, and he's a troll.
This thread is giving him license to continue his moronic diatribe.

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He sets a dangerous precedent for the younger ones on this thread. Can even become a rawmodel for the more confused that have issues with the other sex due to inexperience, bad self esteem and so on.

What surprises me is that the moderators allow this creep to freely spread his hateful misogynistic propaganda here and do not moderate him or even ban him.

I guess some things can fly freely on ATS,..while others can´t. Well its a private owned forum after all.

reply to post by johncarter


All I know is people don't just hate or fear something without a reason.
There is always a cause that leads to the effect.,

i.e. I'm scared of deep water, because I nearly drowned in a lake once when I was 6 yrs old.
Nearly drowning was my cause, and the effect was fear of deep water.

Now I kept thinking last night... what is his cause ? Why does he hate women?
Something happened to him that he is not sharing.
Just my two cents.

Oh, and I agree with you about him setting a bad example, being a bad role model. He should be going to therapy and not posting his hatred towards women and other things here ( I have read his other posts on other threads).

reply to post by Barthandelus


What you said is probably true...

but us men are just as opportunistic and superficial.

And what the heck do you propose we replace women with?

They are irreplaceable and essential.

You're just sour graping.

I'd bet if you could do a different super model every night, you would do it in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by Rainbowresidue
reply to post by johncarter

 

All I know is people don't just hate or fear something without a reason.
There is always a cause that leads to the effect.,

i.e. I'm scared of deep water, because I nearly drowned in a lake once when I was 6 yrs old.
Nearly drowning was my cause, and the effect was fear of deep water.

Now I kept thinking last night... what is his cause ? Why does he hate women?
Something happened to him that he is not sharing.
Just my two cents.

Oh, and I agree with you about him setting a bad example, being a bad role model. He should be going to therapy and not posting his hatred towards women and other things here ( I have read his other posts on other threads).

edit on 30/8/2013 by Rainbowresidue because: added a thought

Hi Rainbowresidue,
My father was a misogynist.
He was the youngest of 3 brothers...and his mother's baby. She died when he was young (pre-teen), and he NEVER got over it. To him, she was the salt of the earth and all other women were substandard.
It sucked being a girl and an only child. He once told me (and my mother) that he wouldn't get life insurance because he didn't care what happened to us if he died.
So....yeah, you are right. Something causes it.
jacygirl

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Thanks jacygirl

And I'm sorry to hear that, but looks like you turned out okay, anyone who's a GoT fan is great in my eyes!

A lot of people on this thread are bashing him, when all they would have to do is keep asking him "What happened?" and maybe after a while he would either leave, or fess up and let us know why he feels this way, instead of pasting scientific paper posts on how horrible we women are, lol.
He is so set in his ways, that he won't see that both genders have good and bad people...

Some people think he got dumped, some people think he is too young and lacks the talent to chat up the ladies, but I think there is a deeper issue here.

(btw I'm a huge Game of Thrones fan, can't wait til season 4!!! )

reply to post by Rainbowresidue


Aww, thank YOU Rainbow!
(Also a huge Game of Thrones fan here, lol!)

I just get so irritated when anybody hates an entire group of strangers. Doesn't matter if it's race/colour/religion/gender....to me it's pure ignorance.
I consider that each person is an individual....some nice, some not-so nice, some downright awful! But I would never lump them altogether and then claim to hate them.
If someone 'hates' to my face, I will call them out on it. NOT cool.
jacygirl

reply to post by Rainbowresidue


I think you are right. We do need to keep asking him. His thread is titled "The story and research of what turned me into a misogynist. (A look into misogynist's minds)" but we really don't know why he is do we?

@ Jacy, your story reminds me of my step grandfather. He isn't as extreme as the OP or your father, but he is definitely sexist.
My grandfather was raised in privilege and was the youngest of 5 sons and no daughters. His mom was disappointed that he wasn't a girl and he over heard her telling one of her socialite friends that she didn't want him once. He never bonded with her as she left him to be cared for by nannies who only viewed him as a paycheck.
In his mind women have two roles, domestic help or socialites who are only their to look pretty for their husbands and it is class based.

Having been raised by him, I can sorta understand where you are coming from. It wasn't until recently that I realized he loved me, and it wasn't until last month that he actually told me he did.

reply to post by calstorm


Hey calstorm!
Another sad story....I'm so sorry.
On my wedding day, my father said to me, "You're mother said I'm supposed to tell you I love you."
At that point, I just didn't really care any more.
He died a few years ago, my mother had already passed. Even though he was a lousy father, abusive and mean....at the end, I sat alone with him as he passed away.
Now I recognize that mean people are hurt people....hell, most of us are hurt children walking around in adult bodies. It helped me to understand where he was coming from, bad sadly my younger years were extremely painful. Thanks for verifying 'our' theory.
jacygirl

(I must say some of the responses are horsepoo.)

So much bitterness. It seems. I'm not sure if this is genuine.

He reminds me of me in some way. The bitterness. But I have a bitterness against society, not women. I have thought many times of doing something shady, becoming some sort of criminal or fight in a foreign country. To find belonging but more importantly as a way to self-destruct. I wanted to totally lose myself so I could say to society "you made me into this". Think Kurtz of Apocalypse Now.

I had a father who threatened me and belittled me. My mother wasn't there for me neither. It is possible I remind it much more negative than it was. All I remember of my childhood was my parents fighting, being scared of my dad, my dad and mom saying I was weak, my mom coming in my room when I was playing and kicking a box of toys. All the little good things are overshadowed by that.

When I was young I didn't think of that, life was okay. But then I went to high school when life went upside down, and I often had fights with my dad. I lost the friends I had. I was getting bitter and bitter. I was very depressed I thought it was obvious the way I talked and act (like making jokes of me dying), I spend time watching a lot of movies about criminals and I wanted to become like them. I also hated myself with a passion. I would harm myself.

It was actually a girl that seemed genuinely interested in me that changed my mindset. I had gotten compliments before and girls hitting on me, but I don't know, they made me feel better but it didn't help that much. And I would often think they were joking, but I know that is not true. This girl however. I might be wrong but she seemed kind of in struggle with herself too, she also made a joke about "my funeral". At first she was always dressed in black.

Well it was really weird what happened between that girl and me. One time on a school party she came to me and started yelling "f# off", later she danced behind me and would grind her back against me. She did seemed to like me, I even read into body language because I didn't believe.

Well nothing ever happened and I'm glad. That girl has become mythological to me, I call her Medusa. I actually thought she didn't exist, but I found a school album by accident and in fact she does exist. She was a inspiration to me. So I failed exams and I actually made some better friends.

Life has become better. I try to see good things in the world. I can walk through a city and just smile how people do what they do and how the plants grow and whatever.

There's still a deep inner struggle inside me. Sometimes the bitterness comes back. Especially when alcohol is involved. I can enjoy parties a lot, I enjoy dancing, but if I get bored I will drink, and then the bitterness takes over my mind.

The hardest for me is seeing my younger sister being somewhat similar. She's bitter. She's very negative just like my dad. We rarely talk. My mother started crying because she found a note that says she won't eat when she's unhappy. But I think she's strong and intelligent and will make it.

I don't know maybe the person who made this has experienced something similar, maybe he's just a sociopath of some sorts, maybe just a troll.

Barthandelus if you are genuine, don't let yourself become consumed with bitterness because it isn't worth it.
Stop being so obsessed with women and enjoy yourself, who knows, you might meet a girl who seems genuinely interested in you and you like her. There are plenty of those.

You make it sound like women owe men something, they don't..
And while men were inventing all those things that they needed to invent,women were kept
Barefoot a pregnant so cut them a little slack.
I have been married for a long time and i know that my wife would take a bullet for me.
That makes your view point hard for me to comprehend.

I think he was rejected by a "hot chick".

Based on my own life experience, since the OP sounds exactly like I did as a young man. I myself was in love with a gorgeous woman who did modeling work to pay her way through college. She was using me as a playmate, and dropped me like an old shoe when she needed to romance someone who could further her career. It initially left me bitter, but the bad attitude wore off once I got back in the game.

I suspect OP's limited life experience leads him to believe that "ALL" women are just like the one he once idolized, and who must've told him he wasn't good enough to stick with somehow:

"I'm outta your league; I really always was, and always will be. Just deal with it, and settle for the best you can get."

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You say you have studied them... yet you know nothing....


all this beta male alpha male omega male stuff is just garbage people tell themselves just to feel better.

Originally posted by tovenar
I think he was rejected by a "hot chick".

Based on my own life experience, since the OP sounds exactly like I did as a young man. I myself was in love with a gorgeous woman who did modeling work to pay her way through college. She was using me as a playmate, and dropped me like an old shoe when she needed to romance someone who could further her career. It initially left me bitter, but the bad attitude wore off once I got back in the game.

I suspect OP's limited life experience leads him to believe that "ALL" women are just like the one he once idolized, and who must've told him he wasn't good enough to stick with somehow:

"I'm outta your league; I really always was, and always will be. Just deal with it, and settle for the best you can get."

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Some Women say that when you break up with them too

reply to post by Barthandelus


I think you need to consider genetics and that women and men are both led by instinct that is genetically encoded, that includes, very importantly choosing mates for procreation. It is a good thing that natural selection is part of the process, otherwise humanity might not have even got this far, inherited conditions and undesirable traits could have wiped out humanity a long time ago otherwise.

As for the women you have encountered, I cannot comment on them individually.

However, I do know, as a woman, that your presumptions on all womankind is a vastly prejudiced view and as such I probably would recognise this from first meeting you and wouldn't like you because of it.

You cannot expect to have deep, committed relationships with women if deep down you think of them as all the same, despicable and of lesser worth.

I read this thread reluctantly. It was exactly what I expected. A hate-fest towards women with the women having to defend themselves yet again.

The sooner people accept the fact that men and women will never meet on equal ground because they are two different animals the better.

Women, you don't have to change except to be less militant in your pursuit of equality. Men, stop complaining about women. Women are not here to continually offer you obeisance and the breast.

Dude... if you wanna be gay, that's totally cool. You don't need to put on this big act about hating women just to pretend you were forced into gaydom by "all these hateful women" who are "incapable of love"... It's really not necessary. Nobody here is gonna judge you man, but I suppose everyone has their own way that they feel comfortable coming out of the closet... it just seems like a lot of unnecessary anger, just BE, man. Just BE what youare and screw anyone who doesn't accept it!

Besides, now that you're a homosexual, you will have more in common with women. Who else are you gonna discuss celebrity gossip with, or the latest handbags made by Coach? Us hetero males don't wanna hear that crap lol... It's cool, it probably will just take some adjusting to your new lifestyle. My cousin, Ken, is gay. He works down at a nightclub called El Flamingo, I'll give him all your contact info and have him schedule you an appointment at the spa, its a gay hangout.

Just be careful around him when you're undressing, he likes to sneak up on you from behind... I learned the hard way on our big family camping trip when we were 8. Also he will send you a "welcome kit" from the gay community directly to your address. No need to provide me the info, I have a friend who works at Comcast, he can just pull up your data and it'll be easier that way.

Your welcoming kit will include an assortment of different gay porno DVDs and magazines, some anal lube and sex toys and a denim cutoff vest with some cowboy boots and some assless chaps...it looks like a regular package so don't worry nobody has to know...just open it alone because a big display comes popping out with confetti and streamers and a big sign that says welcome to being gay, and then your name, and like those one greeting cards that play music, it has a singing telegram-like greeting that sings about the joys of being gay. It's real festive, you'll love it... Just don't open it in front of anyone who you don't want to know that you're gay, especially cause sometimes, Antonio, the guy who works at the gay welcoming committee, likes to play a gag and pull pics of you off the internet and Photoshop "himself" into them and attatch them to the giant, pop-up display...

And since its designed to look like a regular, anonymous package, unfortunately you'll never know which package it is so you'll have to open every package you ever get, in private. And not just in the other room cause remember the song... Oh and these guys like to go clubbing all night long 7 nights a week if possible, so they might take a while to get around to sending out your welcoming package, but sometimes they do it pretty quick, it all just depends, you know? It could be tomorrow, could be next week, or maybe 8 years from now, who knows? Good luck! Enjoy!

reply to post by Barthandelus

It is really sad that you feel this way. I didn't read through all the replies, but I am sure that someone has pointed out that some people feel that men are incapable of giving real love, no strings attached. I have to be a bit personal here and say that the 2 times in my marriage when my husband said he no longer loved me and didn't want to be with me, I was totally crushed. I adore him, and love him with every part of my being. I have always been crazy about him. He isn't rich(struggling college student right now). He has gone through phases of "hotness" (although I have always been way into him). He doesn't do a lot of the things you say are the things women stick around for. And he has been guilty of many of the things you accuse all women of doing. I am still with him, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM. No other reason. Not to give me comfort, temporally or emotionally. Not because I am afraid of what would happen to me (already have backup plans offered because of past separations). I love him.

I forgot to say thanks for the insight. I had read some of your posts, and didn't quite know what to make of them. But now I have a better idea.

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