Syria 'chemical' attack: France says force may be needed

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by baburak

 

And ?

The foreign legion ?

Frances version of blackwater who uses criminals to exact foreign policy who offer's citizenship as a trophy for showing up.

Sorry I forgot what was the point again ?

I think you have been watching too many Hollywood films Neo? :



Formed in 1831 by Louis Philippe to enforce French rule in newly-acquired Algeria, it developed into a collective exercise in convenient amnesia, acquiring a reputation as a haven for cut-throats, crooks and sundry fugitives from justice. Few questions were asked of new recruits, making it an ideal repository for the scum of the earth. And with the scum came the romantics, men searching for a way to dull the pain of doomed love.

Well, that was how Hollywood portrayed it. Cue matinee idol being asked why he has subjected himself to a life of brutal discipline, sand and sunburn. "To forget," says he, drawing on his Gitane and staring longingly into the distance amid a haze of blue smoke.

Reality is a bit different. France’s colonial empire may have disappeared, save for the odd outpost, but the Legion lives on. Almost 7,700-strong, it still operates around the world and gets into regular scrapes in Africa. While Frenchman make up most of the officer corps, enlisted men are predominantly drawn from outside France. The Legion’s image as a haven for ne’er-do-wells is largely out of date. Now, aspiring recruits are subjected to detailed background checks via Interpol.

Full link here : www.telegraph.co.uk...

And you can find out much more on the legion by Goggling a little

Kindest respects

Rodinus

reply to post by Agit8dChop

Oh how wrong you are, because that is the thing about us that everyone has forgotten. Yea, they might not be able to point out Syria but they really don't need to. They are getting a free flight there after all. The notion that they can't spell War is simply too moronic to even get into and as for discipline, well that is what drill sergeants are for.

Ya see, it isn't about any of those things here. For us, it is about the incentives. If you look at the current cost of a college education then you can see how many of our youth would happily sign up for a shot at an education they could otherwise not afford.

That is how we do it here, that is how we have done it for years.

You mentioned that our youth are couch potatoes, but what you don't realize is that all those youths sitting on the couch have been playing Call of Duty for ages. Look at the 'bored' kids that gunned down the australian boy, or the young man who walked into a georgia school with every intention of killing everyone he could.

In fact if you look at most of our recent mass shootings, they almost exclusively involve young white men who had easy access to guns and no effective outlet for their anger.

Well here is their outlet.

The Real Call of Duty would net hundreds of thousands of new troops, most of them young white men who have nothing really to look forward to these days. It's not like they can get a job in America, but if you promise them a nice little check for their education after their term of service and work em just right like they did back when i was that age then you will see enlistment numbers shoot up nicely.

We might not be smart, but they are by far the most gun crazy and needlessly violent generation to date. If our government works it right a lot of these kids could be molded into deadly machines whose only purpose in life is to fight and die for America's interests.

It might not be pretty, but it has worked time and time again in this country.

Add in a nice little offering to the many illegal youths that come to America and that number increases rapidly, factor in all the angry black kids and it goes up even higher.

In the end American youth might just need something like this to get them back on track and focused on America again, instead of themselves.

reply to post by Thorneblood


are you kidding me?
Call of Duty?
As for Syria it isnt the point that they can point it out on a map, its a point about their intelligence and education.

Vietnam is an example, My Lai etc... you lost Vietnam because as a coherent fighting unit your men were not of the caliber of 1940's men. You didn't care, you had no moral compass.
Those psychopaths who shoot up schools of drive byes are more than likely to throw a grenade in a friendly tent.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Never underestimate our army, we do amazing things when we are motivated to do so....

And while it may sound weird to you, all the images and video i am seeing of the kids dying in Syria is more then enough for me to want to pick up a rifle and take Assad out myself.

reply to post by Thorneblood


I'm sure that the bulk of your armed forces are decent, but the bulk of your 'drafted youth' wouldn't be.
You are the strongest and most capable standing army in the world IMHO... but your youth... that's another question

This kind of warfare is disgusting and can kill much more innocent lifes then the more conventional way of warfare
So yes it would be inevertible to not step in this war. But I do think europe should lead this . With a little help of the US and Russia and china

reply to post by Thorneblood

Ah, but you are missing one sad point about our oddly well equipped for bloodlust youth, thorneblood.

A surprising percentage of them cannot pass the ASVAB, and of those who can now, a growing percentage of them are not healthy enough anyway.

Trivia as I fuzzily recall it: the number of military applicant failures is inversely correlate to the red-state leanings of their region...

I think back in WWII it did not require anything to be a soldier except that you weren't hacking up your lungs from asthma or TB, which was mostly because you could give it to others or make noise when quiet was needed. It's different now. There are actually standards. And a constantly growing-fewer number of people are able to meet them.

So many of your Mortal Kombat couch potatoes would not make it into the military.

We might not be smart, but they are by far the most gun crazy and needlessly violent generation to date. If our government works it right a lot of these kids could be molded into deadly machines whose only purpose in life is to fight and die for America's interests.

Gee I bet nobody thought of that. ;-)

I have a lot of respect for soldiers. (I have them in several of my developing fiction novels.) I nearly joined the Marine Corps 30 years ago, and likely would have except back then women couldn't do jack but be a few title-variants on nurse, waittress, secretary. I wanted to blow # up and shoot bad guys. (I know. I was such a feminine little thing.) Ah well, I'm sure that worked out for the best... that doesn't mean I'm real fond of the way they're used, sigh.

In the end American youth might just need something like this to get them back on track and focused on America again, instead of themselves.

Generally military service -- um, not counting being killed, mutilated, or horrifically traumatized for life (...) -- greatly improves the majority of people I've known with it, and utterly destroys a small minority of them.

I do agree that a focused discipline and training, almost no matter WHAT context it came in, would probably be excellent for a couple generations desperately in need. It's kinda too bad the military is the only option for that -- I think of versions of the CCC country-wide for example, as an alternative of a sort, would be great: incredibly physical hard work, discipline and boarding similar to military (but work more aligned with forestry, construction, and helping with all forms of natural disaster/threat).

I have to admit though, the last 20 years of my life have made me gradually more and more cynical and hopeless about the entire topic of military and America's don't-call-us-Imperialists-we're-here-to-save-your-children wars though.

I don't feel that anybody we would recognize is truly running the politics on this planet.

I don't feel that our culture supports nearly what it should in terms of working with injured and disabled vets to the degree that's as much a horror as getting killed is and I don't feel we have the right to ask that of people if we can't put a little more effort and care into dealing with that outcome. (Well. We never have the right to ask that of people. But you know what I mean.)

I don't feel there is any difference in the growing more evil results of almost anybody in political office no matter which side they're on.

And I don't feel it is just or fair to take courageous, patriotic men and women in uniform and get them traumatized, horrifically injured or killed over something that is not the value their precious life and sacrifice deserves.

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Different approach to this topic: We are not just fighting Iraq / Afghanistan, you know. We are fighting about half of planet earth through the 'doorway' of Iraq and much of that doorway comes through Syria. The reason we are so bogged down is in part because it's a way, way, way bigger war than the talking heads on TV tell people.

(A degree of this was true for Vietnam, as well, I think.)

Moving into Syria would mostly be publicly recognizing that we already are fighting a war there, we are just not quite 'there' so much as 'two steps away.'

Also, of course, Iran's leader is even more insane than ours -- well at this point that may be debatable -- and with China and NK leaders being close behind, I'm guessing our military is trying to map out all the strategic base areas they can.

Most things we do are not about what is going on. They are about what is expected to be going on in the future.

I once tracked the news in a project, which is when I quit watching it. It is predictive, not reportive. A finding that was so disturbing when it really sank in I wished I didn't know.

The rhetoric about how we need to save anybody from anything is ridiculous tho. That's never why we do anything military and everyone knows it. Big Lie.

reply to post by crazyewok


An intervention wont happen.

reply to post by Thorneblood


Ah well guess what? France itchiness to get into Libya has backfired Libya is in Chaos and Egypt a mess why do the France want to go into Syria? to save there Saudi Islamist terrorists buddies which they hold an contract with.

While among this the France is sinking deeper into an Economy crisis while its people sink further into the unemployment zone of jobless. And rather then France helping its own people they want another intervention so soon after Libya?

Whose in charge of the France? John McCain? Saudis or Robots?

Perfect solution: France sends all its Sharia communities (except women and small kids) as soldiers to Syria.

They'd probably work for the other side, but who cares. France would have their homeland back and could send them care packages weekly.

"Thanks for fighting for our country! Miss you here of course but C'est la vie, war never ends. Here's some nice brie! We drank the wine for you, in concern for your cultural sensibilities."

Originally posted by neo96

Why ?

Think the French have a 'high' opinion of the US ?

They don't.

The French don't have a high opinion of anyone or anything that isn't French. That doesn't change the fact that, for most of their history, the French military has been above average. You also might want to rethink the comparison between Blackwater Security (a mercenary...excuse me, private military contractor) and the Foreign Legion (which is a unit of the duly constituted French army).

Since I work and live in Lebanon I have a lot of Syrian friends and coworkers. They all wish this terrible situation in Syria would just come to an end. Most of my Syrian friends even got their relatives out of the country and brought them here to Lebanon so they can be safe.

Now I am not into politics but I do read the news, and I feel like Syria has lost the grip on things, and they need help. I don't know from which country but they need help.

There are only so many soldiers.

reply to post by crazyewok

France calls for force to be used, FRANCE!,I'm sorry, but that's akin to being threatened by a soft toy.
Wasn't it Norman Schwarzkopf who said that "going to war without France is like going bear hunting without an accordion!?

reply to post by Thorneblood



What aload of Rar Rar USA USA! Crap.

Needly violent call of duty mad insubordinate youth will make a terrible army!

Just look how bad Vietnam went!

If you fill your army with low intelligence low grade troops it will end in disaster. Again look at Vietnam. You will end up with a mountain of war crimes. Do you want that again USA war crimes? Cause thats what happend in vietnam when you sent low grade conscripts over.

Hey everyone, sorry to break in on the France vs USA debate that seems to be going on, lol.

Anyway, Breaking on Sky News...

Foreign Secretary William Hague says for the first time that the "atrocity" in Syria "was a chemical attack" by Assad forces.

news.sky.com...

apparantly, from reading some other sources its claimed that a tissue sample from one of the alleged victims was smuggled out of the hospital to the UN inspectors.

Personally, i think that this time it is going to kick off!

reply to post by HumanPLC


Thank you for your first phrsae Human.

TOO MANY IGNORAMUSES on this thread for my liking who have nothing better to do than bash the hell out of other countries and cultures... Completey ignorant and totally self uneducated people who one day will be ashamed of what they write. (but then again, those blinkers are on so tight that they won't be ashamed!!!)

It is about time that the moderation staff kicked in here methinks?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by nake13
reply to post by crazyewok

 

France calls for force to be used, FRANCE!,I'm sorry, but that's akin to being threatened by a soft toy.
Wasn't it Norman Schwarzkopf who said that "going to war without France is like going bear hunting without an accordion!?

Oh... you listened to BBC1 and what Norman Schwarzkopf the FAMOUS (in some peoples eyes) 4 star UNITED STATES OF THE WORLD SAVING AMERICA (ONCE AGAIN!!!) said in front of all the cameras?... BRING IT ON HOLLYWOOD AND SHEEPLE!

Guess that in Aberdeen you have not had time to take your slippers off and travel the REAL world but just listen and believe what the MSM has to say when it concerns the arrogant good old U.S of A?
Sincere apologies for maybe upsetting my NON ARROGANT ATS USA cousins here (which are a good majority), but i am SOOO Angry with a certain population of Ignorant members right now!

Sorry been to Aberdeen myself and thought that people had a more broader outlook on life!

I ask myself why some people are actually member of a site whos motto is DENY IGNORANCE???

Some people should be ashamed of themselves on this thread!

Rodinus

reply to post by HumanPLC





From this video, it indicates the Syrian Army gas attack scenario is fake.... This video surfaced from a FB page called Wearechange Switzerland, in which you can see men injecting chemicals into the bodies of the dead to fake an alleged gas attack. .

When you view the video, notice how many men have their hands tied together. Why would people be walking around with their hands constricted in this manner and then suddenly die of a supposed chemical attack from their Govt?

The bound and constricted hands of the victims suggest they are victims of the Rebels, the Syrian citizens who have been kidnapped by the Rebels to be held for a ransom, a common practice for fund raising over there.

If the relatives can not pay the demanded ransom, the hostages are summarily killed and abused for videos, where they serve as images of alleged victims of the Syrian army.

It doesn't surprise me that a conveniently collected skin sample was smuggled or simply driven to an awaiting representative of the UN to set another inflamed set of propaganda style circumstances into play.

If this video doesn't embed here is the web link... www.youtube.com...

reply to post by LexiconV


Could very well be a propoganda video, but who are we to judge?

What i find odd is that although there few "bound and constricted" males in that video, most of those men are bound from the front and not from the back (as generally captive people are bound from the back)? (might sound silly but who says that they were not bound whilst agonizing and fitting to avoid injury to themselves or medical personel?)

Also, syringues are not very clear being used by the people bending down "supposedly" injecting something into the bodies... IF a syringue was clearly seen, who says that they were not taking samples 'especially the person in what looks like a white TYVEK suit at the beginning?

If a syringue IS being used, the second guy in the blue checkered shirt looks as if he is actually PULLING on a piston and not pushing a product from a syringue into the body... just putting that out there as someone who has used syringues for most of my life in my profession?

Kindest respects

Rodinus