John Kerry Bashes the Internet, Says it’s Harder to Govern People with Internet

It is the same arguement used in the 1400's when Gutenberg developed movable type. The elites had a screaming fit then and they haven't stopped since. The best way to undo these characters is to work around them and stop co-signing their crazy projects and insane wars. Just keeping talking to each other and promoting good and peaceful relations with other people and try not to prop them up too much. Be polite and just practice civil disobediance. Just don't argue or try to convince them their wrong, just don't cooperate with their mutual insanity.

Much of the world is moving away from the whole nationalistic and tribal mindset, but it won't be easy and it won't be quick. Fighting in the streets is not the answer. I can't wait for the day when they start beating the war drums again and we just refuse to show up.

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Take it up with Al Gore the Inventor of the Internet, or so he says. Are these Kerry, Obama, Gore, people representations of Left Progressive Politics? or merely hijackers of a Political base they feel gives them the best Camouflage to be the Fascist Dictators they were born to be? I mean do Liberals like NSA spying ? Suppression of Political beliefs? ect

It just amazes me that we have allowed people who are so anti-Constitutional to run our government. I mean it is really bad when the last two presidents both ignored the Constitution to do their will. And they are from different parties, so we shouldn't turn this into a political argument. I think everyone should realize that the two party system is simply a front for the same thing. Sure there are some differences, some of which are larger than others, but both parties' politicians are corrupt. Some just make it more obvious than others. I firmly believe we need to return to the ideals this country was founded on.

And the Founding Fathers themselves gave us explicit instructions...When the government does not honor the Constitution, which is the most fundamental document we have in the US, that government must be deposed, and a new government installed. I realize that violent revolution is pretty much one of two ways. Protests and other peaceful operations not only get nothing done, but give the government the opportunity to break the Constitution some more. Look at what the police and probably even government agents did at OWS. They are VERY afraid of the people, as this is obvious. So if we wish to avoid violent revolution, the ONLY other way is to make demands with such a large percentage of the population that the government will be forced to either give in, or use violence. They could just ignore us, but we would literally be everywhere, where they couldn't avoid the issue.

See, those in the government who do illegal and immoral things are banking on the fact that not enough people will realize what is going on. This is usually the case. If everyone in America knew the truth, and was willing to do something about it, these crooks would be backed into a corner. The entire system needs an overhaul.

I mean right now we have the tax issue, among other important issues. With the exception of a handful of congressmen, each member will not fix the broken issue because it will upset the big businesses who lobby to these guys, give them money and jobs when they leave office. Back in the 70's or so less than 5% of congressmen went on to become lobbyists. Now that number is 50%. Think about that. The corporations run this country, when those who make the laws are basing their decisions off of what these companies want.

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much harder to manipulate facts and public opinion.. much harder to get your way because lies are exposed before they can cause their desired effect...

Any kind of info from anywhere is a problem when your trying to destroy the country or with you just being a damn idiot and your lie's and deceit are posted everyday.

By the way Kerry, how are those 3 Purple Heart band aide wounds you received in Vietnam ?? I bet the people of this country would have never known the truth had it not been for the Internet, .........YA think scumbag!!

Of course it's harder to "govern" (subjugate) people when they have the wherewithal to make informed decisions.

Just look at the Middle-East today- the malaise there wouldn't be were it not for information disseminated via the Internet. That is, the dictators the West installed would still be running the place.

I find that this speech by John F Kennedy is somehow relevant:
www.presidency.ucsb.edu - 153 - Address "The President and the Press" Before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, New York City....

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It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security-and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.
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Perhaps there will be no recommendations. Perhaps there is no answer to the dilemma faced by a free and open society in a cold and secret war. In times of peace, any discussion of this subject, and any action that results, are both painful and without precedent. But this is a time of peace and peril which knows no precedent in history.
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Read what Kerry says and then read Kennedy's speech. You'll see they have a lot in common. They both speak of a threat to our way of life and of the need to responsibly manage our freedoms. They both refer to the threat as something without rules and our freedoms as potential problems.

Btw, Kennedy is speaking of the KGB and other communist influences where he describes it as a 'monolithic and ruthless conspiracy'. This quote is often used out of context.

Oh, I'm sure TPTB will come to love the internet (if they don't already) as soon as they "tame" it. Right now, they're just complaining about the fact that it's still possible to express an individual thought online or to find a few scraps of information they didn't create.

This will all come to a halt when they have their way about it (and they will). If it wasn't in the original design all along to allow a certain amount of "freedom" on the internet just so they'd have an excuse to create a bunch of new laws aimed at it, they will soon catch up.

Personally? I don't believe they were foolish enough that they wouldn't have seen the internet coming (and thus, predicted all of this) at least 20 years before most people even had a PC in their home.

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The the internet in the beginning was a lot like rocket science if you were not just on it, but making it you held a lot of pull when forming it. Think programmers and code junkies people on the fringe lay down a strong base for what the internet is that further grew out of IRC channels. Since corporations have hit the internet it has become more and more policed and politically correct. It is already very censored from what it used to be, now they are trying to make it like minority report or a big tattle tell network... when it always had been a place to escape reality and just vent all your frustrations into the digital ether like a giant subconscious. I've been around since the days of a telephone receiver in suction cups...

I personally find it laughable that anyone takes anything super serious online, much less the government that has a network specifically designed to sniff every packet for keywords to try and sort out potential threats or whatever else. But it's evolved where it's no longer a place for the disgruntled to gather, call their boss names, gossip with rumor and hearsay, or share ripped software and pornography. It's corporations and people all over the world, a global public community with no real police force. Well, of course the average public is going to object to what founded the internet as well as those that wish to control it. Propaganda doesn't work on a non policed global community... that's why countries put in filters etc. to keep down the subversion, aka a point of view counter to the propaganda being spouted.

See the internet brings people everywhere together in seconds, no borders no laws a free place to say hey the people here, are not as different as the newspaper or school textbooks always painted them... then people get that holy crap the people aren't the problem it's these damn governments... they need us to think and feel a certain way about a country or group so they have a bunch of brainwashed robots to help out their agenda... it's kinda like in the 60's when people would ask... what if they declared war and no one showed up.

So, the truth comes out and keeps spreading the longer this internet thing goes on as it is... governments that say they represent the people really don't, people are in office that are supposed to represent us, voting for things to become law we never even heard of or have much of a say in unless we watch things closely, ready to get 100,000 signatures before the representative votes, and cross the fingers they take all those signatures ahead of what they personally want.

Not to mention the people they want us to hate and fight if need be, we won't want too because the brainwashing just isn't really there any more. Has any country's people really been gung ho for the last wars or conflicts since WW2? We've been learning tolerance and understanding on a global level the more experience we have with one another, we have been growing to see all people no matter race or national origin have the same basic hopes dreams and fears, and the more we see this the fainter the lines grow in the dirt that separate us, the less we are ready to grab a torch and pitchfork when our governments scream monster.

Indeed the internet does governments no favors for keeping people blind, isolated and ignorant enough to keep towing their line of futility. I think it is they who lag behind us, I am sure the whole world wants to solve hunger and would happily share with each other... but the lines in the dirt keep hunger around. Hunger here at home? We are taught to draw lines around our self by race, social class and a bunch of other nonsense so there's hunger here too.

The job of a Democracy should not be to help draw deeper darker lines in the earth, but help fill them in and erasing them with diplomacy and aid. Food and medicine make better friends than bullets and bombs. The bullets and bombs come down to agreements about who is going to be allowed to monopolize resources instead of share them... or simply put GREED.

I am not reading through all of these comments but I have to call bull crap. I have never even heard of the source that you are hanging your hat on.

Furthermore, if that is how John Kerry felt, I am sure he wouldn't be spouting that off in front of people.

John Kerry is an elite. He has been in the Senate for almost 30 years. He is the guy that fixed the BCCI hearings. He knows better than to make statements like that publicly.

I call total and complete unmitigated hogwash.

It is embarrassing that this thread has this many stars and flags. Oh...the ignorance. I just get mad.