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Well, i don't see how it could be the corona. Why would the corona follow the cameras rotation, especially when the sun does not?

They certainly look interesting. But if they are not camera artifacts then how do you explain the way they move as if they were attached to the camera, like they were etched on glass in front of the lens?

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And just as this thread ran out of steam, I went outside and saw a blood-red moon.
I'll take it as a good omen.
The end of the world is in our hands, and ours alone.
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Bottom line after reading this very long thread is neither side knows for absolute certain what is making these images beside the Sun.If they are real objects beside the Sun it is major interesting and bizarre.Why do people not understand there is more than one circle object being seen?

Originally posted by raymundoko
Looks like the OP stole this hoax from before its news.

______beforeitsnews/space/2013/06/jupiter-sized-object-discovered-next-to-the-sun-2461714.html

So now I have been accused of fraud and theft in writing.
Mods, please!

I'm out.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
Bottom line after reading this very long thread is neither side knows for absolute certain what is making these images beside the Sun.

Well, sort of. We may not know exactly what they are, but we do know what they are not. They are not huge objects near the sun.

If they are real objects beside the Sun it is major interesting and bizarre.Why do people not understand there is more than one circle object being seen?

We know they are not objects near the sun, most of us with good analytical skills do anyway, because objects near the sun would not rotate as the imager rotates, and these objects do.

Originally posted by raymundoko
Looks like the OP stole this hoax from before its news.

______beforeitsnews/space/2013/06/jupiter-sized-object-discovered-next-to-the-sun-2461714.html

We don't know he stole it. For all we know, he may have written it himself?

But there's a good reason beforeitsnews is banned on ATS, because it's full of hoaxes and this story you linked to about our sun being part of a binary star system is no exception.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Jobeycool
Bottom line after reading this very long thread is neither side knows for absolute certain what is making these images beside the Sun.

Well, sort of. We may not know exactly what they are, but we do know what they are not. They are not huge objects near the sun.

If they are real objects beside the Sun it is major interesting and bizarre.Why do people not understand there is more than one circle object being seen?

We know they are not objects near the sun, most of us with good analytical skills do anyway, because objects near the sun would not rotate as the imager rotates, and these objects do.

Originally posted by raymundoko
Looks like the OP stole this hoax from before its news.

______beforeitsnews/space/2013/06/jupiter-sized-object-discovered-next-to-the-sun-2461714.html

We don't know he stole it. For all we know, he may have written it himself?

But there's a good reason beforeitsnews is banned on ATS, because it's full of hoaxes and this story you linked to about our sun being part of a binary star system is no exception.

Why in the world and how in the world do you get to automatically know they are not huge objects beside the Sun.
What part of we don't know for sure what is causing them do you not understand?

Bottom line is neither side proved what the objects really are and why they are there.Therefore you must conclude we do not know for sure.

I played around in HV for about an hour now.

I also read all the stuff at stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov... about the various image artifacts possible.

It's damn hard to say man... It really is weird.

At one point I noticed huge "interferences" shaped in a "circle inside circle" partern similar to the object that would take half of the screen but would then go away. It might have something to do with it, but that still doesn't explain the CME going over it. Unless someone with more technical knowledge (and time) to come and explain why that's possible, I don't know what to say.

There's 2 things that bug me:

1) A quote about image artifacts from the STEREO website.

On rare occasions, the SECCHI image processor onboard STEREO becomes overloaded, and produces corrupted images. Generally, these take the form of images from one telescope processed as if they were from another telescope. Because the images from the Heliospheric Imager (HI) telescopes are built up from a large number of exposures added together, this sometimes results in "double exposures", where data from several telescopes appear in the same image. Instances of large numbers of corrupted images are usually tracked on the STEREO Coordinated Observations Calendar pages.

Now, could that mean the the COR1 pictures you used might be corrupted by the COR1 or COR2 data? It does look like the "spheres" keep relatively similar ratios to each others. Which would lead to think that they are the same thing.

2) Also.. my other issue is that theses big shapes are not visible at all on the STEREO-A.

In other words STEREO-B seems to see tons of them, all the time. On STEREO-A none of them appears, although some round images artifacts are definitely present in some of the STEREO-A frame.

Considering both satelites are almost completely identical, it raises a big question.

Where are theses objects on STEREO-A? Considering their obviously huge size on B and that they don't show up on A at all. Even thought in some of the pictures of B the big circle appear far enough and in an angle that should be picked up by STEREO-A.

If it wasn't for the CME going over the object, I would be 100% sure it's an artifact. Whatever it is, props to you OP for researching, providing and testing that information.

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Huge objects near the sun don't rotate with the camera when the camera rotates. Photographic artifacts do that, and yes I know that for sure, why don't you?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
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Huge objects near the sun don't rotate with when the camera rotates. Photographic artifacts do that, and yes I know that for sure, why don't you?

Because I use something called common sense that both sides have not proved beyond a shadow of doubt what is causing these circles to appear beside the Sun.It is called being a honest skeptic and not blindly following one side or the other.
If you know for sure you as goofy as the people who knew for sure the earth was flat and warned people not to sail around the world.I would believe you in a heart beat if you 100% certain convinced every single person in the room with hardcore evidence that the satelittle camera was the cause of the circles.Including the guy who made the thread.

Originally posted by Alkolyk
Where are theses objects on STEREO-A? Considering their obviously huge size on B and that they don't show up on A at all. Even thought in some of the pictures of B the big circle appear far enough and in an angle that should be picked up by STEREO-A.

The difference between satellites is just more evidence they are imaging artifacts.

If it wasn't for the CME going over the object, I would be 100% sure it's an artifact. Whatever it is, props to you OP for researching, providing and testing that information.

The "object" your referring to looks like a reflection, so there is no reason it would block the CME, as it's transparent. The image of the CME and the reflection are superimposed exactly as we would expect from such an artifact.

this has been a very interesting thread,
ive enjoyed all 28 pages.
i hope it goes for another 28 pages..or more.

Thanks a lot, I stumbled across this discussion and reading it destroyed my productivity this afternoon. I know nothing about the subject matter, but I do have two comments that others have gotten close to, but not actually come out and said clearly.

1. To me, the main round "objects" of interest look A LOT like a smaller negative image of the entire picture of the sun, including black disk and corona.
2. In someone's (sorry, can't remember who after 28 pages) comment about how data gets corrupted on the spacecraft taking these pictures, it was mentioned that multiple images are combined into a single image. And possibly getting data mixed up between the two cameras.

So...could this actually be a negative image negative from the other camera or a negative image from the main camera of interest but somehow out of phase (or out of time sync) that is getting imposed on the main image by the camera or spacecraft cpu?

I don't know what the camera or lens looks like. Could it be combining multiple reflected images onto a single "retina"? If so, could one of the mirrors or some other aspect of the apparatus be out of alignment?

Just a few thoughts. I hope this doesn't use up my afternoon tomorrow as well...

Originally posted by Alkolyk
I played around in HV for about an hour now.

I also read all the stuff at stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov... about the various image artifacts possible.

It's damn hard to say man... It really is weird.

At one point I noticed huge "interferences" shaped in a "circle inside circle" partern similar to the object that would take half of the screen but would then go away. It might have something to do with it, but that still doesn't explain the CME going over it. Unless someone with more technical knowledge (and time) to come and explain why that's possible, I don't know what to say.

There's 2 things that bug me:

1) A quote about image artifacts from the STEREO website.

On rare occasions, the SECCHI image processor onboard STEREO becomes overloaded, and produces corrupted images. Generally, these take the form of images from one telescope processed as if they were from another telescope. Because the images from the Heliospheric Imager (HI) telescopes are built up from a large number of exposures added together, this sometimes results in "double exposures", where data from several telescopes appear in the same image. Instances of large numbers of corrupted images are usually tracked on the STEREO Coordinated Observations Calendar pages.

Now, could that mean the the COR1 pictures you used might be corrupted by the COR1 or COR2 data? It does look like the "spheres" keep relatively similar ratios to each others. Which would lead to think that they are the same thing.

2) Also.. my other issue is that theses big shapes are not visible at all on the STEREO-A.

In other words STEREO-B seems to see tons of them, all the time. On STEREO-A none of them appears, although some round images artifacts are definitely present in some of the STEREO-A frame.

Considering both satelites are almost completely identical, it raises a big question.

Where are theses objects on STEREO-A? Considering their obviously huge size on B and that they don't show up on A at all. Even thought in some of the pictures of B the big circle appear far enough and in an angle that should be picked up by STEREO-A.

If it wasn't for the CME going over the object, I would be 100% sure it's an artifact. Whatever it is, props to you OP for researching, providing and testing that information.

edit on 21-8-2013 by Alkolyk because: (no reason given)

See above for an explanation of the 'ripples'.

"this sometimes results in "double exposures""
An example of this is visible on page 1 which is also a StereoA image (blur.) As you can see, corruption distorts pictures but does not create objects. Corruption usually leads to pictures which have black rectangles missing from certain parts.

There are less StereoA images but the two scopes have very different points of view, so it is not so surprising if most of the objects appear on one side of the sun. The instruments may also have been tweaked differently.

Even without the CME, these objects are undeniable.

i hope this doesnt sound to "out there"
but..could we be seeing some type of interdimensional objects?
thats the only way i could explain the nearness to the sun.

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WOOT! Thanks Blaine, im pumped for updates!

Originally posted by raymundoko
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Updates on a debunked topic?

I dont think its debunked, thats why I am still here,

Thanks!