The mind-blowing game-changer you can't unsee.

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Good work. I have to agree, especially with the flare gif. If it was something on the lens or in the equipment the flare wouldn't appear in the foreground. It would be in the backgound, behind the object but it isn't. Certainly makes me wonder what the hell that big sphere looking object is. I do believe in the possibility of life outside our planet. I could certainly believe whatever is there is harnessing energy or something to that effect. Wish I knew more.

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Me too!

Originally posted by HiramA

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by gentledissident

 

We is too general a word to express the majority of developing souls on earth, past present and future.

The few who herd the many, do not want this planet to be anything but a wasteland.

I am not a know it all, but this is so apparent.

It really does come down to the ET connection but people are not evolved enough to take responsibility for themselves let alone their planet and ultimately beyond.

OP, those are Offworld travelers fueling for interstellar flight. And the only smudge on the lens is the lens of peoples narrow minds.

edit on 21-8-2013 by antar because: (no reason given)

"OP, those are Offworld travelers fueling for interstellar flight. And the only smudge on the lens is the lens of peoples narrow minds."
Well said.

Having an open mind is a two-way street. It also takes an open mind to logically consider all of the possibilities -- such as that it could be an internal camera reflection or other artifact.

Having an open mind does not only mean "considering the fantastic possibilities". Being able to consider mundane explanations is part of having an open mind.

The reason I think it is an artifact is that it is always in the same part of the image frame, no matter where the camera is pointing. In addition, here is an image from 2012 (5 years later than the images in your OP, after the STEREO spacecraft has moved considerably) that shows the same "object" in the same location on the frame:

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

"The spacecraft also rotates occasionally, and when the spacecraft rotates, the location of the artifact rotates with it. Therefore, when you rotate the video frame to show the "object" in the same location, you are basically mimicking the rotation of the spacecraft over that time."

May I ask why you called it a spacecraft?

It's simple...

The STEREO B satellite (which took the images) is a spacecraft.




I still don't know where you are getting the idea that the sun is not rotating in this image you posted (a rotation that was caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft:

If you are calling that blobby ring that immediately surrounds the occlusion disk (the black circle in the middle) "the Sun", then you are incorrect. That blobby ring around the occlusion disk is NOT the sun, but most likely an internal reflection in the camera.

The Sun is completely cover by the occlusion disk, and no parts of the sun can be seem except for the corona -- which DOES appear to rotate as the camera on the spacecraft rotates.

edit on 8/21/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

"If you are calling that blobby ring that immediately surrounds the occlusion disk (the black circle in the middle) "the Sun", then you are incorrect."
I have always called it the corona, not the sun.

"the corona -- which DOES appear to rotate as the camera on the spacecraft rotates."
Appear is the operative word here.

"I still don't know where you are getting the idea that the sun is not rotating in this image you posted (a rotation that was caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft:"
Because I made it.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by gentledissident

 

We is too general a word to express the majority of developing souls on earth, past present and future.

The few who herd the many, do not want this planet to be anything but a wasteland.

I am not a know it all, but this is so apparent.

It really does come down to the ET connection but people are not evolved enough to take responsibility for themselves let alone their planet and ultimately beyond.

OP, those are Offworld travelers fueling for interstellar flight. And the only smudge on the lens is the lens of peoples narrow minds.

edit on 21-8-2013 by antar because: (no reason given)

"OP, those are Offworld travelers fueling for interstellar flight. And the only smudge on the lens is the lens of peoples narrow minds."
Well said.

Having an open mind is a two-way street. It also takes an open mind to logically consider all of the possibilities -- such as that it could be an internal camera reflection or other artifact.

Having an open mind does not only mean "considering the fantastic possibilities". Being able to consider mundane explanations is part of having an open mind.

The reason I think it is an artifact is that it is always in the same part of the image frame, no matter where the camera is pointing. In addition, here is an image from 2012 (5 years later than the images in your OP, after the STEREO spacecraft has moved considerably) that shows the same "object" in the same location on the frame:

edit on 8/21/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

"here is an image from 2012 (5 years later than the images in your OP, after the STEREO spacecraft has moved considerably) that shows the same "object" in the same location on the frame"
The images from my first post span from 2007 to 2013, mostly 2012 to 2013.

Originally posted by HiramA

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I still don't know where you are getting the idea that the sun is not rotating in this image you posted (a rotation that was caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft:

If you are calling that blobby ring that immediately surrounds the occlusion disk (the black circle in the middle) "the Sun", then you are incorrect. That blobby ring around the occlusion disk is NOT the sun, but most likely an internal reflection in the camera.

The Sun is completely cover by the occlusion disk, and no parts of the sun can be seem except for the corona -- which DOES appear to rotate as the camera on the spacecraft rotates.

edit on 8/21/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

Because I made it.

That isn't really a good enough answer.

The rotating image is caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft/camera. STEREO was photographing the Sun as STEREO rotated, therefore the Sun would appear to rotate in that image (which it does, if you look at the corona).

The object in question stays in one part of the image frame throughout the rotation. THEREFORE, the "object" must be part of the camera.

...And for those asking "why can we see plasma waves go through it?", that's because inf it is an internal reflection of the camera, it can be transparent enough to let light through (even schmutz on the lens could do that, but I think it is more likely a reflection than schmutz.)

Originally posted by HiramA
The images from my first post span from 2007 to 2013, mostly 2012 to 2013.

Then why hasn't the object moved in the camera frame, considering the STEREO spacecraft move around the Sun?

Shouldn't the location of the object in the image frame move as the point-of-view of the camera on the STEREO spacecraft changes (as the spacecraft orbits)? Why does the object stay in the same place in the image frame?

Originally posted by HiramA

Ok, here is my take on this:

1. The camera was rotating when these pics were being taken. Everyone seems to agree on that.


2. In the above gif, the rotation of the camera has been compensated by tilting each individual picture so that the sun appears to be rotating instead. (Not in reality, but in this gif.)

Proof: the solar north is always up in the pics on helioviewer. We can see that the solar north pole is spinning. The sun is rotating. In fact, the cameras entire field of view is rotating in this gif. Agreed?


3. The infamous round object and the rest of the artifacts are not moving. Therefore, they were not in the field of view of the camera. They were spinning with the camera. They were integral to the camera.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

"The spacecraft also rotates occasionally, and when the spacecraft rotates, the location of the artifact rotates with it. Therefore, when you rotate the video frame to show the "object" in the same location, you are basically mimicking the rotation of the spacecraft over that time."

May I ask why you called it a spacecraft?

It's simple...

The STEREO B satellite (which took the images) is a spacecraft.




I still don't know where you are getting the idea that the sun is not rotating in this image you posted (a rotation that was caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft:

If you are calling that blobby ring that immediately surrounds the occlusion disk (the black circle in the middle) "the Sun", then you are incorrect. That blobby ring around the occlusion disk is NOT the sun, but most likely an internal reflection in the camera.

The Sun is completely cover by the occlusion disk, and no parts of the sun can be seem except for the corona -- which DOES appear to rotate as the camera on the spacecraft rotates.

edit on 8/21/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

"If you are calling that blobby ring that immediately surrounds the occlusion disk (the black circle in the middle) "the Sun", then you are incorrect."
I have always called it the corona, not the sun.

"the corona -- which DOES appear to rotate as the camera on the spacecraft rotates."
Appear is the operative word here.

"I still don't know where you are getting the idea that the sun is not rotating in this image you posted (a rotation that was caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft:"

Because I made it.

That isn't really a good enough answer.

The rotating image is caused by the rotation of the STEREO spacecraft/camera. STEREO was photographing the Sun as STEREO rotated, therefore the Sun would appear to rotate in that image (which it does, if you look at the corona).

The object in question stays in one part of the image frame throughout the rotation. THEREFORE, the "object" must be part of the camera.

...And for those asking "why can we see plasma waves go through it?", that's because inf it is an internal reflection of the camera, it can be transparent enough to let light through (even schmutz on the lens could do that, but I think it is more likely a reflection than schmutz.)



"That isn't really a good enough answer. "
Well why don't you go make one and then you won't be talking through your hat.
If you had made one you would see. Instead you use words like "appear", "more likely", etc. Be more assertive. Stand up and take the test. There is still lotsa' room on our side. Come on over.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA
The images from my first post span from 2007 to 2013, mostly 2012 to 2013.

Then why hasn't the object moved in the camera frame, considering the STEREO spacecraft move around the Sun?

Shouldn't the location of the object in the image frame move as the point-of-view of the camera on the STEREO spacecraft changes (as the spacecraft orbits)? Why does the object stay in the same place in the image frame?

edit on 8/21/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

Because my .gif was of only 25 days. If I could make a 400Mb .gif which could cover a year or three of satellite data, and upload it anywhere, the position would certainly 'move'.

Originally posted by HiramA

Well why don't you go make one and then you won't be talking through your hat. If you had made one you would see. Instead you use words like "appear", "more likely", etc. Be more assertive. Stand up and take the test. There is still lotsa' room on our side. Come on over.

You misunderstand the context of the word "appear". The sun "appears" to spin as the STEREO spacecraft that is taking the pictures spins. It's an "apparent" spin of the Sun; it only appears to spin.


...And quite frankly, the reason I use "most likely" is because I have an open mind (as has been discussed before), and I cannot tell you with 100% certainty that the object is just an internal reflection. It may be some other artifact. I'm not so closed minded that I would be so absolute without having more data.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA

Well why don't you go make one and then you won't be talking through your hat.
If you had made one you would see. Instead you use words like "appear", "more likely", etc. Be more assertive. Stand up and take the test. There is still lotsa' room on our side. Come on over.

You misunderstand the context of the word "appear". The sun "appears" to spin as the STEREO spacecraft that is taking the pictures spins. It's an "apparent" spin of the Sun; it only appears to spin.


...And quite frankly, the reason I use "most likely" is because I have an open mind (as has been discussed before), and I cannot tell you with 100% certainty that the object is just an internal reflection. It may be some other artifact. I'm not so closed minded that I would be so absolute without having more data.

Neither am I.
Scroll up a bit to see my opinion.

Originally posted by HiramA
reply to post by roncoallstar

 

Start with date 2013/06/17
Time 16:35:18
Go forward with daily increments or hourly until you get all the images you want..
Continue.
Screencap your heart out.
If the date and time you enter does not correspond to an image, Hv will show you the next or previous closest image. This can be seen above the box with satellite data. Green is close, red is far.
Now download a prog which can convert a series of images into an animated .gif.
Good hunting.

edit on 21-8-2013 by HiramA because: More info

Nice, thanks for the head start. I might be too busy today to get to it, but I will report my findings when I get a chance.

Originally posted by HiramA

Well why don't you go make one and then you won't be talking through your hat. If you had made one you would see.

I did make one -- at least I made an image analogous to yours.

Remember this one, showing a spinning camera with an artifact (a scrap of paper) spinning along with the camera. In this example, the keyboard is analogous to the sun in your spinning image, and the scrap of plastic on the lens is analogous to your "mystery object" :

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By the way, when I read through all these arguments back and forth,
I'm saddened that people would try to discredit you by picking on grammar technicalities,
pointless words, topics, and in the end do nothing but tend to kind of agree with you,
and just on cue another person drops by and the whole process of accusations
starts up all over again.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


This is not at all the same.
Have you not seen Hirama's picture by picture demonstration?
How are you still arguing all the way till page 25?

Originally posted by HiramA
Because I made it.

Yes, you made it by mis-perceiving dark spots in the photographic apparatus as dark spots in the corona, which they are not. The Corona is bright, if you instead stabilize the real corona and not your misinterpretation of it, you get a different result, as I demonstrated here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
And as raymundoko demonstrated here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

HiramA, you are either genuinely confused between what is the real bright part of the sun's corona, or you aren't confused and you have some other agenda, I'm not sure which. If you really want to see what the sun's corona is doing, look at the brighter parts of it, not the dark spots you're looking at that aren't really part of the corona.

Originally posted by Radekus
reply to post by HiramA

 

Keep up the good work. Don't mind the people who argue with you, they're paid disinfo agents.
They gang up on one good topic and bash the poster with all kinds of nonsense.
They try to bait you with things you never said, try to provoke you with accusations, insults, etc.
I'm amazed mods aren't doing something about this continuously persistent problem.
Watch my reply get labelled "off topic" while people who bait you to brake the T&C's walk Scott free to do the same to other people.
I bet if an IP track was attempted on these people it would deviate all the time to different areas due to and IP blocker software.
It's no secret that the government hires NGO's and disinformation companies to post on websites such as these in order to protect state secrets. Why would NASA continuously censor their pictures?
Imagine the mass panic it would cause if it really came out that we have,
well, whatever it is that's out there, my theory is second solar system, but hell, who knows, could be an armada of alien spaceships, purpose? maybe making sure our leaders do what they are told. Maybe a war is goin' on out there. Maybe it's our fleet vs another fleet. Speculation. I'm already convinced of life existing in space, just like we have jellyfish in the sea. Maybe they're space versions of our whales, just way bigger? Some kind of creatures that live in space we do not comprehend, now that would be an interesting turn of events.

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Maybe some of the dissenters are paid for their dissent, maybe not. The point is that they also can be made to see. It is only when a free and equal exchange of information takes place that people can come together as a unified force against oppression, be it monetary or otherwise.
Everybody should be invited and accepted with open arms, whether they agree or not, as it is only through numbers that we can get to the truth.
I appreciate the criticism. Yes it gets under my skin, but the goal for ALL of us is unity, not agreement. To disagree is to evolve. United we can evolve together instead of creating the red and blue factions so evident throughout our history. Left wing and right wing must work together for us to take flight.
I will post some more .gifs when I find a host who can manage very large files. Any suggestions?
This discussion is not yet over, and may never be; but we must start to learn to work together, otherwise those who can will crush us. Snowden, I think, was on the right track.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by HiramA

Well why don't you go make one and then you won't be talking through your hat. If you had made one you would see.

I did make one -- at least I made an image analogous to yours.

Remember this one, showing a spinning camera with an artifact (a scrap of paper) spinning along with the camera. In this example, the keyboard is analogous to the sun in your spinning image, and the scrap of plastic on the lens is analogous to your "mystery object" :

edit on 8/21/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

I already commented that the pen is the object, but you know very well that that is not what I meant by 'go make one'.