An image of Comet Ison or is it really a comet?

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Yes, I completely agree and I already made some retractions. Good find!

So, conclusion,

The fact that it looks like 3 lines is because of different long exposure shots put into one image, and the fact that it appears to have changed course is due to a change in the camera viewpoint between or during those exposures.

reply to post by NeoParadigm


As someone who is not an expert in any way and just guessing ... the NASA explanations just sound like someone thought .."ah this sounds plausable, lets say this" ...

as for the suggestion that its 3 pics combined I dont buy it ... Im thinking that the distances to the "comet" are so far that the distances between the cameras would have little or no effect on the combined picture ... think of it like you and 2 mates, all with cameras and standing in a line 20 yards apart take a picture of another mate with a torch a mile away. The torch holder is walking in a line across you and the 3 cameras take a picture with long exposure. You then combine the 3 pics .... I would say that the distance is so great that the combined pictures look the same and would certainly not produce a dot and 2 lines ... perhaps someone with better maths than me could let us know what the proportionate distances would be in this circumstance and then maybe the NASA explanation becomes more or less believable ...

and anyway ... would there not be lots of this type of picture of comets out there already if this was a case of just combined pictures?

reply to post by johnrobca


This is just a sketch that is without a correct scale and might not represent the actual exact situation. It's just an example.



You see how dramatic the angle change is when Hubble is on the other side off the Earth?

Now imagine a star's position to be out of this pic by let's say 6 ft.

Draw two imaginairy lines to that star from both Hubble positions. You will see that these are almost parallel lines with a very small difference in angle, because of the distance.

I think it is a pefect explanation for what we are seeing here.

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch

Originally posted by NeoParadigm
reply to post by Yummy Freelunch

 

I think it is because the stars don't move like the comet. That pic is probably made up out of "open shutter" shots from at different points in time, so the comet looks extended.

That's my guess.

I dont know..but why would shutter shots cause that..unless someone can prove to me in another picture that that is the reason..im going to stick with, that is NOT a comet

It is the hubble telescope picture..i dont know how the telescope works, either.

Why is it not a comet. Many comets are not simply single balls of ice, but several, and every pass around the sun breaks up the nucleus a bit. Many comets are collections of debris, travelling together. As for the elongation, more due to time lapse photography of a moving object.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by NeoParadigm

 

No it does not,

Did you miss this....

Astronomers call the effect parallax -- it’s what happens when you hold your thumb in front of your face and blink back and forth from eye to eye. Closer objects (your thumb, ISON) shift when your perspective changes, much more than objects farther away like the stars do. So if you find ISON’s movement in the GIF confusing, rest assured: it’s not ISON. It’s us.

hubblesite.org...

If that isn't a plausible answer please show me one that is...

Sorry I see this has been posted already....

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For you and all those claiming Parallax...

It does not explain why the object looks normal (albeit stretched due to the long exposure) in this 171 second SINGLE image

To this...


In a few short minutes. If Parallax was the problem, each image take of ISON would display this effect, but it doesn't.

reply to post by abeverage


Could it be that one pic is a compostion of others taken from a different position. Im not sure why you are saying that there is only minutes between different exposures.

reply to post by NeoParadigm


Exactly ... I think ... are we agreeing? ... the distance is so far comparatively that the picture would be the same .. it should be a straight line picture not this odd triangular thing that we see ... you explained it much better than me so if we are agreeing .. thanks ... if not how do we end up with a triangular shape?

It makes no difference to me what it is considering this planet is completly unprotected from space threats be they comets or space-craft. We have been kept primitive on purpose so that we "self-destroy" ourselves.

You would think modern day man would be capable of much more considering ancients build the parthenon and roman colloseum with primitive tools, or did someone else built them?

FACEPALM! I was almost too bored to reply.

Originally posted by johnrobca
reply to post by NeoParadigm

 

Exactly ... I think

... are we agreeing? ... the distance is so far comparatively that the picture would be the same .. it should be a straight line picture not this odd triangular thing that we see ... you explained it much better than me so if we are agreeing .. thanks ... if not how do we end up with a triangular shape?

Lol, no, I don't think we are agreeing.

The comet is close enough to appear as if it has changed course after Hubble changed position, the stars however are so far away that the change of Hubble's position isn't noticed in these long exposure composition pics by looking at the stars.

That's why ISON appears like it changed course while the stars appear in the same position, as if no change in camera angle took place.

Originally posted by NeoParadigm
reply to post by abeverage

 

Could it be that one pic is a compostion of others taken from a different position. Im not sure why you are saying that there is only minutes between different exposures.

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NeoParadigm with all due respect I am not tossing out ideas of what it could be or speculating what it is.

The images I posted set side by side are NOT composite images. They are individual images taken at 171 second exposure and were taken only a few minutes apart.

This is all evident here is the Hubble Heritage imaging of Comet ISON Data.

You can see which of the images were taken at what time and each exposure is 171 seconds. This is not the polished PRESS release this is the RAW data and science package collected, these are not stacked images either that were used to create the composite used in the press release.
Here is a screenshot just in case

I've read and skimmed through 6 pages worth of comments...and didn't see Phage posting up? Now that's strange.

Originally posted by NeoParadigm
reply to post by Diisenchanted

 

Right but it would not show up as two lines.

It would if the recording was interrupted and resumed.

Also look at the star in the bottom left corner. See the lines coming off of the star if it was multiple shots they would be distorted as well.

Why, those angles stay the same, or virtually the same.

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Would that not show a straight line in the direction of the comet tail? The line if it was several different shots would still be in a straight lin not and arc.

I'm just thinking... If we are seeing the comet from a different angle, wouldn't the tail also appear to have changed direction? We only see one tail pointing in one direction. How is that?

reply to post by abeverage


A mere presentation of the data would've sufficed. Getting angry again are we?

Calm your "hat" down.

I don't know how to view the pics in that link. Which ones are the last two you posted, and from what time are they?

There is more than 24 hrs between the second and third pic in that list.

reply to post by abeverage


I really find all your answers extremely interesting..I think you did a lot of research!!!

Originally posted by WonderBoi
I've read and skimmed through 6 pages worth of comments...and didn't see Phage posting up? Now that's strange.

Maybe he ran to his bunker just in case.

reply to post by Char-Lee

The line if it was several different shots would still be in a straight lin not and arc.

The pic is a composition of several long exposure shots with a viewpoint change between them. The long exposure shots are making it appear as a line, the angle is due to the viewpoint change between these shots.

At least that's what I think we are looking at.

Originally posted by NowanKenubi
I'm just thinking... If we are seeing the comet from a different angle, wouldn't the tail also appear to have changed direction? We only see one tail pointing in one direction. How is that?

Whay do you mean with tail exactly?

Originally posted by alfa1

If people are going to get excited about pictures off the Hubble website, then they might as well also take the time to the read the blog post that describes the images.

These exposures were made while the telescope tracked the stars. Because of the motion of the comet and the motion of HST in its orbit around the Earth, the comet trailed slightly relative to the stars during and between these exposures. This is not the way comets are usually observed. Normally we would track on the comet to keep it stationary in the camera during the exposure. However, in this case we wanted to produce an image of the comet against a background clearly showing stars and galaxies.

And besides, this is just another example of NASA conspiracy paranoia, as if, once again, people delude themselves into thinking that somehow NASA gets to be the gatekeeper of all astronomical knowledge.
They're not.
Quite a lot of people have images comet ISON at this point, and yes, even from telescopes in their own back yard.

If a ship were to light itself brightly to look like a comet could the amateur astronomers pictures reduce that light and see the shape beneath?

Originally posted by Bilk22
reply to post by Yummy Freelunch

 

Is this it?

Holy Sh*t Santa is that YOU?!

Ladies and gentlemen; I think Santa got an upgrade, and he's coming earlier for Christmas because of it!!

hehe he... I just wanted to break the tension and 'semi-fear' in peoples mind of aliens coming in a large starship to get us..

All seriousness aside though, crap like this; fits hand and hand with scriptures and the tales of a winged-'planet'. I would like to see a starship in this image too of course; but I wont jump just yet. Actually I will be as chilled as can be when this thing slings by in November. I cant stop it even if I asked Jesus or God. ..

All the ancient civilizations that talk of a great flood, that talk of a dragon/winged-planet in the sky, catastrophes etc.. All the ice ages that have been provenvia scientific analysis of ice-cores and tree rings, landscapes etc...
All the government preparing for SOMETHING, ammunition that will last years, food that will last years, underground bunkers,s lying, meddling in the middle east to stir up the pot (WW3) ..

SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER TO EARTH AND THE SURROUNDING PLANETS. THAT IS NATURES COURSE (OR ALIENS F'ING AROUND), AND THERE IS NOTHING A MINOR-RACE CAN DO TO STOP IT.

So lets just hope Santa gives us a nice present, before we are screwed

I really enjoyed the thread, thank you OP very much for bringing this anomonly to our attention. We will see it in November regardless, and it wont just go away because we want it to. Its proven in science and scripture/texts that the Earth and humanity of old, has experienced some crazy sh*t. Well; its been quiet around this rock for awhile, something is due.