‘Children of God Will Die’: MSNBC Host Says Only ‘Phony Christians’ Oppose ObamaCare

Ed Schultz

What does religion have to do with health care?

I am starting to understand why nations like China who keep tabs on religion better than the US maintain the stance that they do.

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While I don't think Obamacare is the greatest, if you want to get technical about it, then Schultz is correct....

Obviously I am going to disagree as people are not being denied healthcare, and to get technical about it the real argument is who pays for it.

Denying a section of the population medical treatment due to the greed of a few, is unchristian. Socialism, and (true) Communism is the most Christian forms of government. That is why people of the cloth live in “communes”, and why Christ and his disciples lived from a “common” purse.

Again no one is denied healthcare as anyone gets it at any hospital,free clinic, or community health center.

And sorry the religious argument here fails in more ways than one.

The same thing applies to anyone claiming to be Christian, yet worrying about illegal aliens... They are not really Christians. This applies to the majority of “conservative Christians" I know. There is a biblical term for these people who put their personal “greed” and the systems “rules” (which they lobbied for), above helping their fellow man, they're called “Pharisees”.

So it is acceptable to go around calling people 'phony christians' because they disagree with government forcing people to buy a corporate product ?

I disagree.

As the christian thing is free will not force.

An regarding “Christians” being worried that “obamacare” or “illegal aliens” will ruin our economy

Well considering I am anti illegal immigration my argument is come to the door and ask permission to come in to my house.

That is what it has always been.

Anyone who knocks and asks is welcome.

he fact of the matter is that anyone worried more about our economy, or what they are “paying into the system”, or “what its going to do to their business”, is NOT a Christian anywhere but in their own fantasies. This is what they really have to look forward too: Matthew 7-

I am worried because this country can't pay it's bills because Obama care expands medicaid to the tune of 30 million new people who can't afford to pay for healthcare insurance and balloons medicaid that already had 60 million people on it that could not be funded.

Schultz is dead on telling you to truth here, not giving you BS “to scratch your itching ears”...

No he's not it's is BS because NO ONE IN this country is denied HEALTHCARE,

This is insulting especially from Schultz who goes around throwing around misogynistic terms to describe women that isn't very christian like.

Ed Schultz ain't even been right about anything.

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by ChuckNasty
the oddball 'last industrialized' country not to have a universal healthcare system will have made a working system. Will it be fair...heck no. Life isn't fair, it never has been and it will never be.

Well, that's the spirit...of giving up.

I wonder if all these people who say, "Life isn't fair. Get used to it." have something to gain from unfairness.

I live in a land of realistic thinking with expectations of realistic outcomes.

Sooner people realize that life isn't fair and that they shape their destiny, the sooner they achieve something greater.

But isn't it grand to blame others for a persons faults and to expect no repercussions for their F ups... That's the spirit. That's the world I want to live in

For real though, the message of the topic wasn't initially about Obama care, but of the media being tards and trying to influence mass thinking for their agenda.

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GOOD healthcare for all is good for america.. however Obamacare is no where near that..it is more about control than healthcare

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. however Obamacare is no where near that..it is more about control than healthcare

Agree with this

GOOD healthcare for all is good for america.

Don't agree with this I am tired of people telling me what is good for me, and I am especially tired of people telling me corporate products are good for me.

People want something they pay for it themselves.

Originally posted by neo96
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. however Obamacare is no where near that..it is more about control than healthcare

Agree with this

GOOD healthcare for all is good for america.

Don't agree with this I am tired of people telling me what is good for me, and I am especially tired of people telling me corporate products are good for me.

People want something they pay for it themselves.

i don' t see where I said corporate products were good for you..... I also didn't specify what GOOD healthcare is. Good healthcare for me could may not be what you consider good healthcare. You are just projecting your predjudices and your frustrations on to my comment.

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don' t see where I said corporate products were good for you..... I also didn't specify what GOOD healthcare is. Good healthcare for me could may not be what you consider good healthcare. You are just projecting your predjudices and your frustrations on to my comment.

Healthcare is a corporate product that is also a part of big pharma and other medical corporations.

That what I meant by corporate products.

Good healthcare is what I currently have PRIVATE healthcare. where NO ONE forces me to buy it.


Yeah I agree Schultz is projecting his frustration on to Christians here thanks for pointing that out.

Originally posted by neo96
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don' t see where I said corporate products were good for you..... I also didn't specify what GOOD healthcare is. Good healthcare for me could may not be what you consider good healthcare. You are just projecting your predjudices and your frustrations on to my comment.

Healthcare is a corporate product that is also a part of big pharma and other medical corporations.

That what I meant by corporate products.

Good healthcare is what I currently have PRIVATE healthcare. where NO ONE forces me to buy it.


Yeah I agree Schultz is projecting his frustration on to Christians here thanks for pointing that out.

why did you assume when i said good healthcare i was referring to one that you are forced to buy??


are you just swinging wildly to let out your frustration?

neo96, your posts are intriguing, I really love reading your responses haha! I really have to side with you because you not only take the words straight out of my mouth but you even help me understand more about perspective on your end.

Originally posted by muse7
When you think about it Jesus was the ultimate liberal

He fed the poor and healed the poor

all for free.

Tired of all these CINO's

Christians In Name Only

Hmm, Somehow Jesus bypassed Congress and never made state mandates of his teachings.
"heal the sick and feed the poor" but don't do it yourselves - we have nice corporations to do that.

The insanity permeating in all of this health care business is the fact that no one is addressing the root cause of why health care is too high to begin with and do something about it to make it more affordable.

Instead they punish everyone and make up some program called "Affordable" health care act.

1. Undermine the freedom and privacy of the people under the guise of new health care act.
2. "Tax", wait, no... STEAL money out of everyone's paychecks against their will, to create said program.
3. Tell the working poor that the majority of them will not qualify for the program, but MUST obtain insurance or get penalized, but hand over your money for their "affordable" program anyway.
4. Change your own rules and make special concessions.

And here's the most awesome and incredible one yet......

5. Congress and senate DO NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE in the hellish program that they created.

This is the most psychopathic administration I've ever seen.

I don't know if Obamacare will succeed or not. I just know the old system is killing and bankrupting people for sure. We paid insurance premiums for 33 yrs, husband got an acute onset of a bad genetic disease at 55 and five weeks of a medical coma on life support. Long story short, maxed out and lost insurance, labeled with pre-existing conditions, lost jobs, lost home. We did everything right and worked very hard in construction and nursing, for what? What is fair about that system? For a lot of us, Ed is right.

Originally posted by ChuckNasty
But isn't it grand to blame others for a persons faults and to expect no repercussions for their F ups... That's the spirit. That's the world I want to live in

Well, to some degree external factors are to blame. We're animals and victims of our training. If by "F ups" you mean malicious intent, then of course rehabilitation is in order.

Until we admit to our true animal nature and the organization needed to accommodate it, we're going to be mostly untamed. Expect a higher amount of "F ups" until then. It's only natural.

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And someone needs to define 'prexisting condition'

Because obviously that is a medical condition that usually classifies people as disabled, that already can get coverage under Medicare/Medicaid.

I work in the insurance industry. I can tell you for an absolute FACT that this is NOT true. There are a LOT of people who did not qualify for medicare/medicaid that had pre-existing conditions that were not able to get insurance. They can now get decent, affordable coverage. I, personally, think the changes have been fantastic for people.

Originally posted by buster2010
Ed Schultz is right if you are opposed to Obamacare based on financial reasons then you are not a Christian. According to Jesus the love and caring for your fellow man should be more important than the love of wealth.

Please point out anywhere in the Bible that Jesus told people to take from one person to provide charity to another. He was very much into personal charity and giving but said nothing to endorse forced charity.

Originally posted by beezzer
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Obamacare is a tax that is going to decrease the level of care across the country.

So not letting insurance companies rip people off will lower the level of care across the country. It's nice to see you are not acting like a fake Christian.

Originally posted by buster2010
Ed Schultz is right if you are opposed to Obamacare based on financial reasons then you are not a Christian.

Ed Schultz is a twit. Those opposed to Obamacare based on financial reasons understand basic economics and that all Obamacare does is the government forces people to buy a product they don't want or need just (which is slavery to the government) ... and it is the government being in bed with big pharma. It isn't 'antichristian' to see that corruption for what it is and to want to avoid it. :shk:

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by buster2010
Ed Schultz is right if you are opposed to Obamacare based on financial reasons then you are not a Christian. According to Jesus the love and caring for your fellow man should be more important than the love of wealth.

Please point out anywhere in the Bible that Jesus told people to take from one person to provide charity to another. He was very much into personal charity and giving but said nothing to endorse forced charity.

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

This is a forced charity. If you don't sell your things for the poor you won't get into heaven.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by beezzer
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Obamacare is a tax that is going to decrease the level of care across the country.

So not letting insurance companies rip people off will lower the level of care across the country. It's nice to see you are not acting like a fake Christian.

What in the hell are you going on about???

We all know there is a problem with the healthcare industry in the US. But the "solution" sucks worse than the problem! People have to start taking off the political blinders that they were issued to at the last "talking points" meeting at Starbucks and look at the damage that this is doing and will do to the country!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by buster2010
Ed Schultz is right if you are opposed to Obamacare based on financial reasons then you are not a Christian.

Ed Schultz is a twit. Those opposed to Obamacare based on financial reasons understand basic economics and that all Obamacare does is the government forces people to buy a product they don't want or need just (which is slavery to the government) ... and it is the government being in bed with big pharma. It isn't 'antichristian' to see that corruption for what it is and to want to avoid it. :shk:

When did Jesus become a economist? When did obtaining money become the driving force behind Jesus?