Russian research project: immortality to billionaires - transplanting brains into Robots

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not entirely immortal in your cyborg body unless you can protect yourself against X class solar flares
that would otherwise disable the electronics sustaining your brain.

Or a nifty EMP if you were to be taken out by would be attackers

billion dollars down the drain .


It's kind interesting that now all the things masamune shirow had dreamt of in ghost in the shell , appleseed are now coming to fruition !

Just wait for a whole new host of cyberbrain diseases though

How dumb. I suppose you have to recharge your batteries every night. Just think of how lousy it would be never to enjoy a good hamburger again. Eating is one of the more fun things in life. What about sex?

Not sure what the point of immortality would be without a biological body. Can't f***, can't eat, etc. I doubt they could properly mimic human senses, either, such as vision, smell, or hearing. Of course, these should be functional, but by no means identical to the human experience. The relationship between physiology and chemicals in the brain would also be rather tricky to program. For example, the act of smiling in humans causes us to feel happiness, and vice versa.

I wonder if they'll even give them human-like bodies, or if they will fly them around on little drones. Will they ever need to sleep?

The whole thing seems a bit idiotic in my opinion. Why take stunted, basically useless life over death? The only thing that you'll have, technically, will be your mind, and observation suggests that consciousness is independent of the body.

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To accomplish that is not as easy as you might think it is. The mouse neural cells experiment you mentioned had nothing to do with "the transfer of consciousness". At this point, we do not even know what consciousness is.

The mouse neural cells could have arguably become, or taken on, consciousness at a certain point. We don't know for sure yet. The brain may just be a consciousness interface. There are 1000's year old vedic philosophies that say that the brain is just that, a receiver for Consciousness, and that the heart and gut are connected to the brain, something science just recently discovered. Plus, the Atom was also theorized by this save vedic culture by a dude named Kanada, well over 2,000 years ago. We just don't know at this point.

And OP don't you think you are wasting too much of your time complaining about other people's real or in this case fictive advantages?It's not very productive.

Fictive? You do understand we're heading towards this as a reality in our own life times. It's perfectly relative. It would be like programmers discussing smart phones in the 90's

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Serious question... no matter how funny it may sound. Why would anyone in their right mind want to do this and live without the greatest pleasure... sex for the rest of eternity? I know, I'd rather die before willingly giving that up.

Who says you wouldn't have sex organs, considering the designers of the robot body will be including all 5 senses, they can probably add an adendage that has 100 times more nerve endings and 100 times longer lasting orgasms than regular human bodies.

O top of that, when you were a kid, prior to puberty, you didn't have testosterone flowing through your body causing you the need for sex, and you were perfectly fine then. I've gone some time in celibacy and became content. So it depends on peoples level of attachment to certain things. I wouldn't necessarily miss sex if the robot bodies lacked the need for testosterone, and you had enhanced 5 senses. Then again, I probably wouldn't want to get transferred into one

quote]Originally posted by rickymouse
How dumb. I suppose you have to recharge your batteries every night. Just think of how lousy it would be never to enjoy a good hamburger again. Eating is one of the more fun things in life. What about sex?

They are working on graphene batteries that supposedly could hold a charge for weeks at a time, an can recharge in seconds. The company working on these robot bodies said all 5 sense would be included and sex could still be a possibility, although enhanced/improved, longer lasting, and without the tiredness and drained feeling afterwards...

www.cbsnews.com - Man Said to Control Robotic Hand with Mind...
Man controls robotic hand with mind:

news.nationalgeographic.com - Monkey Mind-Controls Robot Arm...
Monkey controls robotic arm with brain computer interface:

Monkey controls advanced robot with its mind:

www.sciencedaily.com -
Woman With Quadriplegia Feeds Herself Chocolate Using Mind-Controlled Robot Arm...
Mind controlled robotic arm quadriplegic feeds herself...

www.newscientist.com - Paralysed man controls robotic arm with his mind...
Paralyzed man moves robotic arm with his thoughts:

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These things are intended for paralyzed patients, but how much of this research do you think would also apply to old billionaires who want to replace parts of their body with robotic pieces?

This is real, it ain't fake. These're challenges. They have advantages and dangers. Until we can grow human limbs or organs and transplant them onto those who need them, we will use robotics to meet this need and it will reshape what it means to be human for many. It's not a stretch of the imagination that this may be used to meet other needs or wants and that its consequences might be widespread, if left unchecked. It's hard to predict its potential effects and/or its fallout.

shield those brains from radiation and send those billionaires to start colonies on other planets !

there is the solution to our growing population

Originally posted by PhoenixOD

Are you guys ready for a bunch of Rich, Powerful, Select group of individuals at the very top of the food chain, existing within robot bodies while continuing to rule the world's Govs???

Sounds like a normal day to me.

This is the reality we are in currently. I agree.

I wouldn't want to be the first person to try this procedure. The physical and psychological effects are liable to be horrendous. It might be an immortality of hell. It would be better to keep the brain alive in some sort of stasis until an android body could be developed that's able to seamlessly interface.

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Once their brain is completely non-organic, place them in a sim, put them all in a rocket and blast it into space so that they are unlikely to be destroyed for billions of years, but with no off-switch and no way to stop the sim or their continued existence..

reply to post by dominicus

Yes its just a guess that they would have consciousness as an incomplete organism(a brain).
Its a marketing ploy, people guessing and speculating with nothing to back it but but one unrelated simple experiment of (rat) brain cells doing something other than being" immortal" in a robotic body.
What about dementia, scientist don't even have a cure or complete understanding of brain networks. Why are they not marketing "immortal senility". And what invented process in the robot would stop a disconnected human brain from breaking down and would regenerate brain cells, provide immunity and keep them in order.

What is life?
As nothing has been done in technology or any transfers of consciousness of human beings into a non living thing has proved it can't be done my taking the very skeptical position on it stands.
Even if the technology and understanding was there ( Its not so its hypothetical) robots are not alive, so its not immortality putting a piece of a once living human into a robot.

Its insanity.

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Thats a mind a living conscious human being/monkey that has the ability to move one robotic limb( as they have a complete neural network map for spacial movement ).
Its not the same concept as placing a human brain in a robot and having immortality.
Show me links to all the living done by the separate human brain- show me the feeling thinking experienced by it .

effectively what this guy is talking about is creating a man/woman machine interface within the next 10 years which will be able to send and recieve information from the brain .

10 years is very optimisitic

what kind of life would it be stuck in a tin can body watching the world of the flesh and blood with memories fading when you a real human being.

Russian scientists? I wouldnt take their claims anymore serious than claims from american scientists of some noname universities - full-of-crap all-the-time.

While the idea is feasible, we are far from reaching that goal - atleast 50 years probably 100 or more.
Also I f''''ing hate that people are unable to distinguish immortality from means of prolonging life. Being some robot cyborg freak certainly doesnt make you immortal - nohing does, nothing ever will.

Originally posted by CriticalCK
Russian scientists? I wouldnt take their claims anymore serious than claims from american scientists of some noname universities - full-of-crap all-the-time.

While the idea is feasible, we are far from reaching that goal - atleast 50 years probably 100 or more.
Also I f''''ing hate that people are unable to distinguish immortality from means of prolonging life. Being some robot cyborg freak certainly doesnt make you immortal - nohing does, nothing ever will.

Russian billionaire who is hiring the best scientists from all over the world that specialize in certain branches that would contribute to transferring the brain into robot bodies. Mainly, the financer is Russian, bet everyone else is from elsewhere, which is why I take this serious.

Another reason I take this serious is because science in America, and the world over, is compartmentalized, which causes cross reference problems when t comes to specific areas of study that involve a number of different branches of science.

This billionaire,financing this, bringing in a multitude of specialists from around the world, and having everything under one roof without compartmentalization, means that they can move alot quicker and make breaking discoveries towards their goals.....just like you see Cern doing, where there is very little compartmentalized issues, and tons of ground breaking findings

I doubt many are eager to extend their stay on this fairly mediocre planet, much less without the sensual pleasures of a body. And even if they do, its none of my Business.
Im curious about the afterlife, not about running around in a chunk of metal.

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So its because of Russian financier that you believe them.
The "best scientists from all over the world do not specialize in transferring the human brain into robot bodies. These the "best" global scientists can't even provide a satisfactory definition of consciousness .
They have not even a basic complete understanding of neural network of brain deterioration in a human brain .

Compartmentalized science is not better science than having a whole understanding. America's specialty is to compartmentalize but that is not a reason to believe a Russian money man.

You are also suffering from the misconception that you think you are just a brain .

Originally posted by BDBinc
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So its because of Russian financier that you believe them.
The "best scientists from all over the world do not specialize in transferring the human brain into robot bodies. These the "best" global scientists can't even provide a satisfactory definition of consciousness .
They have not even a basic complete understanding of neural network of brain deterioration in a human brain .

Compartmentalized science is not better science than having a whole understanding. America's specialty is to compartmentalize but that is not a reason to believe a Russian money man.

You are also suffering from the misconception that you think you are just a brain .

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You just don't get it. I've worked for people worth hundreds of millions and noticed something different between them and folks without money, and the dif is that those with lots of money, if they want something done, they'll spend whatever it takes to get the experts in to do it.

Money talks period. This is why I believe this man will be successful in achieving this, because he has the money, time, and can pay for the research to at least see the first prototype in the next 20 years.

You'll see, wait and watch. Its inevitable in our evolution as a species to start both modifying genes to make improvements on these weak limited shells we call bodies, eradicate all disease, and merge with technology.

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So you say " I've worked for people worth hundreds of millions and noticed something different between them and folks without money. "Thats what you think but you are wrong they are the same same as people without money, they want to continue they have always wanted immortality.
When their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .
You say now you believe it because money talks to you, period.
Its not a good reason to believe.
Incomplete scientific knowledge without the know how but just because the idea is from money man whom wants to make more money you believe. Buy much stock in Enron ?
The experts cannot place human consciousness in a robot .An incomplete part of an organism (a brain) does not contain YOU. And rich people don't get everything they desire even with surgery they age, (look old and plastic) and die. The specialist experts cannot do it they are not even close to .
As soon as brains don't age and all brain injury and illness is treated successfully then you can start speculating that money can do everything. It can't.

Its not inevitable in our evolution as a species to start modifying genes to make changes in the bodies, why are diseases on the rise if its in our evolution to eradicate all disease? This is confusing your imagination with where we are as a species right now.
Evolve to become technology?That sounds like devolution, I do not desire to be a non feeling computer or robot.
Once a perfect thinking feeling living human being turned into noting but cold heartless dead electrical impulses.

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"Thats what you think but you are wrong they are the same same as people without money, they want to continue they have always wanted immortality.

1. Everyone is different, physically, psychologically, spiritually.
2. My point was that those with money, have the resources to make things happen and don't have to wait on others to make things happen. Look at Elon Musk. His Tesla Electric Sports cars are a success and electric cars are now outselling gas guzzlers in many demographic urban areas. HE's working on easy access to space, on the hyper loop. One guy, with billions, making moves in a few years that took mega corporations(compartmentalized) decades to achieve anything similar. ! man with billions can change the world. Just like one man with average money (Snowden) can also change the world.

When their loved one gets dementia they can't do a damn thing about it .

It's a motivating factor for change. If you look at people with money, whatever ills effect them or their loved ones, its usually the branch of science they donate to for the sake of finding a cure. A billionaire could technically put all his money and curing dementia and actually achieve it with the right people

You say now you believe it because money talks to you, period. Its not a good reason to believe.

You must not get out of the house much. Money rules the world and makes things happen.

Incomplete scientific knowledge without the know how but just because the idea is from money man whom wants to make more money you believe. Buy much stock in Enron ?

Is your logic broken? Enron? Seriously? Look at Cern. A bunch of folks got together, with financing, for one common cause, and they are breaking ground with finding how how things work on quantum levels, quarks, strings, etc.

Now imagine the same scenario as Cern, but for Brain transfers into robots. Eventually they will succeed. Its simple and has nothing to do with Enron.

The experts cannot place human consciousness in a robot

And what do you think you are right now? A biological robot, with consciousness. It's no different. Look at the soldiers with missing arms/legs who have mechanical limbs. Or the blind who have micrchipped retina devices allowing them to see. Or those who cant move who have chips in the brain allowing them to move a computer cursor by thought. It's technically already here.

There are people with artificial hearts, on resperators, kidney dialysis, and even in comas(but still showing that they are conscious through recent studies of ekg recordings).

Now combine them: 4 mechanical limbs, artificial heart, resperator, dialysis, microchipped retina vision device, hearing device, cursor by thought....the line is getting thin

An incomplete part of an organism (a brain) does not contain YOU.

Then go ahead and remove yours, and show me that you are still conscious.....oh the paradox!!!!

And rich people don't get everything they desire even with surgery they age, (look old and plastic) and die.

As of right now, yeah. All subject to change though. Right now they can put themselves at the front of the list for any transplants or surgeries. When Robot/brain transfer tech comes out, who do you think will be able to afford to be first?

The specialist experts cannot do it they are not even close to . As soon as brains don't age and all brain injury and illness is treated successfully then you can start speculating that money can do everything. It can't.

They'll figure it out in due time. They already know which genes to switch off to allow 500-800+ life spans. It started a whole new branch of bio-ethicist philosophies and ethical boards surrounding these sorts of findings. Science is getting the blueprints for what does what, and how to improve it all. Plus humans used to only life up to late 20's early 30's. Not it's averaged in the late 70's. Image 100 years from now.

Its not inevitable in our evolution as a species to start modifying genes to make changes in the bodies, why are diseases on the rise if its in our evolution to eradicate all disease?

Too late. ALready happened. Proving me right again:
World's first genetically modified babies, already Born!!!!
It's inevitable, and no one will stop it unless God intervenes

This is confusing your imagination with where we are as a species right now.

Look at the link above and the link to this thread. I know where we are heading and its becoming a reality.

Evolve to become technology?That sounds like devolution, I do not desire to be a non feeling computer or robot.

Who says we arent already biological technologies? Devolution is in the Chimps/Cavemen