The Egyptians have postponed the Apocalypse.

Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

I'm not so sure.

Isn't it possible that the attack on the Morsi administration was a (successful) attempt to quel rising dissention to the Israelis? The MB had no love for Israel, and it's interesting that Obama hasn't officialy stated that the attack and removal of Morsi was a military coup when it obviously was.

Doesn't this suggest that the move was pro-israeli?
We think now that this action may subvert an apocalypse but perhaps this only fuels it?
Traditionally when there is a balance of power in a region, peace reigns.
It is only when power concentrates that wars erupt. Power consolidates, then it wishes to expand until it is met by equal or more powerful opposing force.

With the Morsi administration in power, there was a major seat of muslim representation in the middle east, thus conferring balance. Now with the MB out, it appears that the new administration might be more Israeli friendly, which would indicate even more consolidation of israeli influence in the region. That would certainly raise tensions with say, Iran and/or Syria - would it not?

Very interesting post

The removal of the MB in Egypt is certainly 'pro Israel' as it benefits Israeli security. Under Mubarek and funding from the US, Israel had an ally in Egypt. Even though Morsi kept up the Camp David arrangements, I don't think Israel could ever be comfortable with the MB in power.

So this seems like a huge contradiction when the west (America and co) are supporting the MB and funding them when the Zionists control American foreign policy.

This is why we have to understand the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people in Israel, in the long term, they are working against them. The Zionists are just puppets in the grand scheme of things, existing as a political movement solely to set up a major military conflict.

I have no doubt there will have been powerful elements in Israel involved in this overthrow, or certainly pleased to see the MB go, but the overall agenda of the hidden hand is to set up a Muslim Brotherhood united Arab world to face Israel for WW3- for war, you need opposing forces.

You only have to look at the media (which is controlled by the Zionists) to see the almost unbelievably desperate propaganda trying to undermine what the Egyptian people and military have done-

'Independent' report on Egypt violence

It was a disgrace, a most shameful chapter in Egyptian history. The police – some wearing black hoods – shot down into the crowds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters from the roof of Cairo’s Ramses Street police station and surrounding streets.

This kind of propaganda is usally reserved for when we are about to start a military campaign on 'humanitarian' grounds, such as in Libya.

It will not surprise me in the slightest if the US calls for a return of the MB or they will threaten to cease the military aid that goes to Egypt each year.

I feel you conspiracy guys just playing devil's advocate here, because according to you if media supports something then it must be bad and part of disinformation! Just admit you dont know whats happening and why. Prevent the apocalpse? They could barely manage one country.

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by St Udio

 

I agree with what you are saying -

Imagine, for a moment, that the Region 3 buildup in the US, is to protect the gold reserves that aren't there anymore from attact from countries that want their gold back.

The IMF, World Bank, Reserve Banks come crashing down, rendering the US and Europe collapsed - both financially and morally.

I swear I have never seen any credible mention of the USA in any biblical endtimes war - Israel stands alone.
The USA is a broken, meaningless nation, in the end.

I forget the actual scriptures but it speaks about those forces aligned with the flag of the bear, these would be Russian and the forces of the flag of the eagle who is the United States. The are two main forces fighting over the ground at armageddon. I think there is some misconception, there is actually two wars, us defending Israel and the Holy war where christ returns with his army of God and all the angels. This fight will be the end where satanic forces are defeated and Satan is thrown into pit for eternity.

The Bot

Originally posted by Wonderer2012

Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

I'm not so sure.

Isn't it possible that the attack on the Morsi administration was a (successful) attempt to quel rising dissention to the Israelis? The MB had no love for Israel, and it's interesting that Obama hasn't officialy stated that the attack and removal of Morsi was a military coup when it obviously was.

Doesn't this suggest that the move was pro-israeli?
We think now that this action may subvert an apocalypse but perhaps this only fuels it?
Traditionally when there is a balance of power in a region, peace reigns.
It is only when power concentrates that wars erupt. Power consolidates, then it wishes to expand until it is met by equal or more powerful opposing force.

With the Morsi administration in power, there was a major seat of muslim representation in the middle east, thus conferring balance. Now with the MB out, it appears that the new administration might be more Israeli friendly, which would indicate even more consolidation of israeli influence in the region. That would certainly raise tensions with say, Iran and/or Syria - would it not?

Very interesting post

The removal of the MB in Egypt is certainly 'pro Israel' as it benefits Israeli security. Under Mubarek and funding from the US, Israel had an ally in Egypt. Even though Morsi kept up the Camp David arrangements, I don't think Israel could ever be comfortable with the MB in power.

So this seems like a huge contradiction when the west (America and co) are supporting the MB and funding them when the Zionists control American foreign policy.

This is why we have to understand the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people in Israel, in the long term, they are working against them. The Zionists are just puppets in the grand scheme of things, existing as a political movement solely to set up a major military conflict.

I have no doubt there will have been powerful elements in Israel involved in this overthrow, or certainly pleased to see the MB go, but the overall agenda of the hidden hand is to set up a Muslim Brotherhood united Arab world to face Israel for WW3- for war, you need opposing forces.

You only have to look at the media (which is controlled by the Zionists) to see the almost unbelievably desperate propaganda trying to undermine what the Egyptian people and military have done-

'Independent' report on Egypt violence

It was a disgrace, a most shameful chapter in Egyptian history. The police – some wearing black hoods – shot down into the crowds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters from the roof of Cairo’s Ramses Street police station and surrounding streets.

This kind of propaganda is usally reserved for when we are about to start a military campaign on 'humanitarian' grounds, such as in Libya.

It will not surprise me in the slightest if the US calls for a return of the MB or they will threaten to cease the military aid that goes to Egypt each year.

Thanks for the enlightening reply
Granted, I know all Jews are not zionists - but couldn't we say with some credibility that the Israeli government has zionists in positions of power/influence?

I agree with you that American policy in regards to the events in egypt is contradictory especially the media angle. What do the zionists have to gain from giving sympathy to the MB (as in the mass media)?

Are they trying to stir up sympathy for the MB, hoping to get them back in power in order to stir up a war? That doesn't seem likely to me because Morsi was still be ameniable to the other interests in the region.

Certainly something is going on with Egypt. There must be some other major forces at play directing actions in Egypt (probably from both sides)...I just wonder what it is and which sides are supporting who.

Originally posted by dlbott
reply to post by zeeon

 

Why are you guys so hung up on Israel, lol. They have no influence and are a small country surrounded by fanatics that want to wipe them off the face of the earth. It is amusing how many posts are anti jewish.

As for Egypt, the majority of the country, the young and educated realized their new found democracy had been hijacked by the MB and they most definitely did not want their strict fanatical version of Islam. The military did not either so they took action.

In reality the U. S. Would like them to dismantle the MB but can't say it publicly. What a mess over there, I wish the people well and pay for peace. Everyone deserves freedom in every sense of the word.

The west is always looked down upon but it is funny we have every culture and religion and people living in peace and working side by side. I have friends who are different cultures and religious beliefs. I respect their right to think and believe any way they want and they do the same for me. It should work that way everywhere.

The Bot

Well I'm not sure if you are saying my post is anti-jewish....but I am definitely not anti-jewish. I'm anti-zionist.
I have many friends who are jewish - one of them is a very close friend. Jews are generally exceptional citizens and people. However, the actions of Israel as a country aren't exempt from scrutiny.

It's interesting how you say Egypt didn't want Morsi, yet when he was elected there were definitely mass celebrations all over Egypt and the world. I agree that every country deserves individual freedoms and freedom from tyrannical / despot leaders and religions. We both find commonality there.

The west isn't looked down upon because we celebrate and embrace freedoms. Far from it. I have travelled the globe in my time - I've been to Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Dubai, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bahrain, and almost all of Asia. The West is looked down upon because of our incessant need to step on other countrys political affairs. Our policy of interventionism (a neo-con policy) is starting to wear thin on other Countries who are happy as they are and do not want or need our influence. Interventionist policy is from a bygone era that was re-kindled when 9/11 struck.

It started with the fear that communism would take over the United States during the cold-war era. Once we defeated the threat of communism in the states, neo-conservatives decided it would be a good idea to start spreading democracy all over the planet in an attempt to stomp out socialist / communist ideas from spreading.
Once 9/11 happened, that policy has been re-kindled as a means to stomp out terrorism.

That is why the West is looked down upon. Not because we are a freedom loving country.

Guess these Islamic countries need one excuse or the other to complain about. You draw a cartoon or release a movie in America, and they will burn cars in Pakistan and Iraq. That's what boredom can do!

i came back from a lovely holiday in Egypt 2 weeks ago, was there for 14 nights and would of stayed longer. When i went there i was worried from what i saw on the mainstream tv, wow was i wrong. People were friendly, and were very upfront and open about the situation, and to hear about how they felt was totally different to what you see on tv. first off this is not a military coo. 28 million people signed a petition to remove the leader of the country, more than voted in the actual election, the Egyptians lived for months with no milk and petrol because their leader made more profit selling it to other countries than providing his own people with it. the average wage dropped to £60 a month, and 90% of the country was appalled with the support for the MB, most Egyptians label them terrorist. (all this info is from many Eqyptians all saying the same thing, all were both christian or muslim)

All the violence in Egypt is retaliation for the terrorism by the MB. What i don't get is Obama's support of Mubarak when Mubarak is very pro MB (a terrorist group)?

When i was there there was celebrations in the street, not violence. i was in Cairo, in Tahir sqaure and it was dead, yet on sky news the headline was violence in tahir sqaure, with a reporter claming to be there saying its awful etc etc. in the streets people were dancing and singing (in arabic) 'say no to terrorism, the army and the people are one, muslim and cristians, no matter we are all brothers'
i was there people, some days me and my partner would be amazed at the stories on the news because we were living through it and it was like watching an alternate reality.

personally i found it empowering seeing ordinary citizens stand up for their rights, sick of being oppressed, sick of their country harboring terrorists, overthrowing their government and appointing a new leader.

people there are happy in the street people would ask us to tell Obama and Cameron to leave Egypt alone! that they are happy and the military will alwasy have the people best interests at heart.

as for violence there? waay too much is made of it in the press. go there and see for yourself.

also we saw lots of american soldiers there, i didnt even know the US had troops there.