How to open the chakras quickly - it's about SOUND, VIBRATION (vowels) NOT visualization.

Sorry, I had not realized this thread had updated.

Originally posted by filledcup

Originally posted by RedCairo
Some... identities in my innerworld once explained to me that the human body IS an ankh, the loop is the head, and that focusing resonant energy within the skull creates certain useful effects.

i think that is fairly common knowledge. did they explain anything more? like something... useful? or is that just ur fancy way of saying you were thinking and got the idea that the ankh represents the human body and it's energy path?

Is it common knowledge? See, everything I think is so novel turns out to be old news to others, sigh.

I totally agree, not only was it not particularly useful, but I had no interest whatever in Egyptian stuff, so I also had no idea why they were showing me that. That was when I was early into meeting them. They were often showing me things back then which seemed like "interesting trivia, but so?" to me. I suspect now that the issue is more my capacity to understand the value of things, than any inherent value they might have, though.

Actually the most useful thing I found to do with the idea, using 'head tones,' was clear horrible congestion. I had this bright idea one day while driving down the freeway (I'm a singer if that matters) that maybe if I were to do a super strong head tone and hold it, that the vibration inside the skull might actually have some effect on causing all the white blood cells or whatever it is stuck to the sinuses, to maybe get a bit looser. It seemed like a good idea at the time. So I did it. And when I stopped, I thought, "Hmm, maybe --" and then I had such a wave of agony I damn near crashed. Completely lost all attention on my driving.

Proving I suppose that no matter what good idea your internal world gives out, if you're a sufficient idiot, you can still screw it up.

But it worked! My sinuses started seriously draining quite fast and then I was scrambling for napkins. I've done that a few times since -- NOT while driving, lol -- and this does seem to work pretty well.

What most people think of as 'energy vortexes' I perceive as actual identities (dualized identity, polarized) -- energetic spiritual symbiotes that go kind of horizontally, you might say as the only model we have for it in a way, through all probable us's and are incredibly powerful.

also quite commonly asserted in meditational instruction documents.

I recently saw some image that looked old, some foreign language, in google images, that I thought might be trying to represent that. Glad to hear that, I suppose I feel a bit validated that I'm not the only one with it. What little exposure I've had to such things limited them to 'energy vortex' status. I'm not into religion of any kind, though spirituality keeps happening through the inside anyway, and it sometimes corresponds with elements of some religion or another.

I had a horrible time accepting them as identities. Actually I've had a difficult time with nearly everything that ends up being an 'identity' within me. It sounds good on paper, and intellectually I think it's a fine idea, but when it comes to actually implementing acceptance and relationship, it's another story entirely for some reason.

granted i know the dieties are there for each chakra, but i have never seen them.. i just walk through as the door opens.

Are they deities? I don't know about that. My impression is that they are "representatives" of an energy once called "the powers" (note: my impression is that the primary body organs/systems are representatives of the energy once called "the glories"). They are super powerful and that energy is divine so I suppose that could be thought of as a deity... but I think of them more as friends, roommates in a way.

My exposure to them varies but so far when they have communicated it has always been directly. I mean... you know, no booming voices or anything LOL -- well unless you count ACKRCK my ajna chakra literally shouting his name at me (and yes I totally realize that name has no vowels, but it hardly seemed to appropriate to be insulting his name when he was going to all the trouble to give it to me. His feminine is BUSM and she is 'through' me bizarrely, sticking out the left side of my left calf, and the right side of my neck. I think in the Thoth Tarot this might be the patterns of the Wands cards but I'm not sure).

Oddly though, the chakras of the base-sacral-solar plexus (Konewa Turi, Bessand Ari and Kyana Daoen) don't have the same sort of names. I don't have a name yet for the heart chakra (though my 3rd of 4 told me they are called the Themelians, those who live at that level), the throat chakra (although I have spent some great quality time there) or the crown chakra (although this has given me several instructional / tutorials about things, probably more conversation than all the other chakras combined so far)).

So I feel they are powerful, wise and amazing, but I haven't thought of them as deities.

Then again, even the Sun, and my inner-divine (the sun, the son, the christ), just talk to me like normal people. They are divine, sure, and they often spark an overwhelm on that level, but much of the time it is just an ordinary relationship, albeit very love-based.

arent you also saying that the dieties are self realized higher aspects of the self, in tune with different levels of oneness in the spiritual realms?

Good heavens, whatever that all means, I didn't say it.

All I know is what they show me from inside me. There is this sort of geometrical pattern that is also a concept (and a vastly higher entity of its own), which to create a model here so I can put it into words, let's say is like a tapestry. Then I as the-human-with-my-name-at-the-moment could be thought of as a single thread, vertically, in that tapestry. All the other vertical threads of that tapestry are other entities-with-other-names, somewhere, somewhen, which are a part of the larger tapestry just like I am.

The chakras are like the horizontal threads in the tapestry. For convenience, let's imagine bands of rainbow colors. They go 'through' me, but they go through ALL the me's in that larger tapestry. But they only go through that particular bandwidth of energy. So I am larger in terms of "range of spectrum" (I hold the whole rainbow), but they are vastly larger in terms of "density and power, and range of awareness" within each color band. Where they come through me there is a sort of 'nexus' that has a lot to do with perceptual reality and other things I don't really understand yet.

They are the base for my body health in that area, and what I experience affects them too. They have a lot to do with how I perceive time and space, but I don't fully understand the latter yet, except that the area where the heart and solar plexus overlap is the 'center' of what we think of as our reality, by which I mean, the energy at that level is what is most accurate 'for us' when doing psi work.

I'm sure I'd be a little more useful here if I spent more time doing the inner work I should, but I kinda suck at the discipline I ought to have sometimes. I'm honored that they are kind to me regardless.

about the monroe institute.. when were these things practiced?

Oh it's just a business that does altered-states-via-audio stuff, I took a vacation there in Jan 2000. Or was it 2001. One of those.

and how successful were the practitioners?

At what, you mean at the out of body stuff? I dunno, I think some were successful. I had OBEs all my life so they are no big deal to me, but I did have one there that was significantly different than every OBE I ever had and kind of blew my mind. However I didn't have it during the first week in the general course but during the second week in a smaller course. I didn't really go there for that. I just wanted to visit my friends that live like 2 blocks away and have a vacation from overwork. It was great for that.

My exposure to people who've been to The Monroe Institute is that they come in all kinds. From unemployed artists to CEOs, airline pilots and engineering managers, it's an interesting blend of completely different personalities. Some are way-out-woo and some are incredibly no-nonsense. Which is funny, when you mix all those people in practice. I think it's a real test of patience on the part of the more left-brain (sic) sorts.

any mention of the kundalini anywhere there? or samadhi?

Oh TMI is secular, not religious, and they're a USA group, not Eastern, I don't think I've seen any of that with them although their founder being a radio guy and businessman is probably part of that.

On the other hand over the years they have slightly devolved into the woo -- so you'll hear about dolphins -- but you're probably not going to hear the eastern terms for enlightenment or whatever.

That was merely a vacation for me a dozen years ago, two 5-day programs and I stayed with nearby friends on the weekends. I'm sure they teach many other things but I've never had the time and money to go back. So I'm not any expert on them or what they do, teach, etc. They do have a website: www.monroeinstitute.org...

On the various posts about teachers:

I began with an 'inner guide' as a psychological construct. It changed out over time. Now the current so-called Inner Guide, I understand as the holy guardian angel, christ consciousness, atman, whatever term some culture wants to label it with. I am not completely integrated with him yet, and this is likely to take a long time, which is just a lovely opportunity. I'm not in a huge rush, although I long for more of him 'shining through me' all the time and have occasional waves of gushing-over-his-divine.

His actually showing me 'his true nature' one night -- the archetypal white-light-angelic -- scared the crap out of me it was so powerful, and significantly set back my meditation practice due to the cognitive dissonance that resulted. I know people who act like this stuff is all fairies and rainbows or whatever, but for me, for a couple decades, most of it has just been the repeated dissolution of paradigms about reality and self, and it's extremely destabilizing, often the ultimate in threatening to one's sense of identity, and for every moment of shared glory, seems to engender 99 moments of trucking through the muddy underworld of self.

I lost any feeling of need to find external teachers when my last inner guide was about halfway through her term (the only female IG I ever had, she was #4) and understood that she was angelic, and that my capacity for perception of the divine had finally been cultivated enough to perceive this.

There is nothing that I have truly wanted to know, emotionally, and asked for, that has not been answered. Sometimes plainly... sometimes it takes a while and then is something that can take days to "unroll inside me" and try to get into some kind of linear words.

I did have a teacher for the jungian-style archetype imaginal meditations when I learned them, circa 1992 I guess it was. She also taught me to bring energy through the body and out through chakras, kind of like Reiki but without the doctrine. That is likely what led to a kundalini experience, which as someone alluded to previously in the thread, is at least as much traumatic as enlightening, but especially when the person is completely unprepared, which I still probably am, never mind certainly was way back then.

Well actually, the so-called healing work we did formally probably didn't do that, it was probably my habit of walking around every waking hour and minute attempting to send that energy through all vortexes (as I thought of them then) at every life form, with love. I used to practice on seagulls, they're perfect feedback. If you do it right you can get one to land near you and then they will just find reason to walk around near you for quite awhile blissing out on the energy you're sharing. Of course if you do too much of this it creates a real altered state. You spark the heart chakra too much and a lot of other bizarre experiences happen (I fell in love with a tree during that time for example).

Anyway. Once you connect with the source of guidance internally, the external stuff isn't such a big deal. When I want to understand something externally I ask, and I get the information one way or another (often by the synchronicity of it falling into my life promptly).

Most the time, since I am far too logic-minded for my own good in many areas (clearly not all of them, heh), it is better for me to get experience spontaneously, and go through it with intuition and interaction to learn about what it is, how it relates to me and so on. Then later on, I get some of the boring details about it that most people might "study" so to speak. I can't start with the intellectual stuff though, or I just get lost in it and spend my time thinking about living rather than living (as a verb).

Now and then I'll do some search on the web to look into some topic I find interesting, and mostly find conversations that make me feel like it's dead knowledge being one-upped in armchair debates. Then I lose interest entirely and just go back to letting it all source from the inside.

Originally posted by BigBrotherDarkness
the spirit will be flowing wisdom into you via spirit communication. it's not english but an emotional communication. thus.. all sorts of emotions take over the body, paranoia of computing all possibilities of every scenario going on all at once in the mind etc. ... one can be incoherent to explain or rationalize internally what is going on and translate to language description the information they are coming into contact with. it takes time to settle. ... the brain takes a while to process large buffers of spiritual communication and settle that information into coherent speech.

In my experience, things can happen like you describe.

If that was only specific to something like 'enlightenment,' I can't speak to that, don't think I've had it. I feel my inner guide 'en-light-ens' me but it's more a slow yet awesome process than a sudden rush of All-Knowing.

I was once reading some old myth stuff online, very confused about it, and asked my -- um, the inner world let's say -- to help me understand. A few days later, I was in a hotel for my daughter's birthday, sleeping with my best friend who'd flown in for her birthday, since we didn't have enough beds, and I woke up at 4:30am utterly babbling about how sin is deviation from orbit and how various pieces of myth are a horribly misunderstood story of the founding of our solar system and on and on -- I shook him awake and was just whispering in the dark like a madwoman, poor guy! Then it took me three days of doing almost nothing else, to try and actually get it into a somewhat linear piece. And I lost a lot. And I couldn't begin to truly absorb more than a tiny fraction of it. But at least I got the insight I was asking for.

In regards to the chakras however, and their communication, it seems to have a variety of possible deliveries. Sometimes it is conceptual but often still has literal words. Sometimes it's been "conversational." They do seem to have the ability, as part of us, to communicate directly with us.

I will admit however that a couple years ago when my 'inner guide' experienced amp'd up into the stratosphere, and the IG who infamously says almost nothing ever, for over 20 years, suddenly started talking to me -- and showing me things I could read -- well, since then, much of my inner-world experience has been pretty different. I suppose it's possible that the "ordinary conversation" that I have had since, with everything internal, might be more related to the HGA amping up that connective ability. It didn't used to be that way for me at all. So I suppose it's possible that for many people it isn't.

reply to post by RedCairo


I am very happy to learn of others perspectives and experiences. 'dieties' as i call them is because there is no other word i know of close enough to representing them in language without downplaying their importance, wisdom and spiritual nature. what representations we see in our mind are only forms taken in the brain as it makes sense of it's spying on the spirits actions in dream. personifications of formless and infinite as well as conscious forces.

my experiences with those i call dieties have not been as lucid as i would have liked them to be. part of that is because of my limited practice schedule which accounts for work and all the aspects of real life matters that need tending to. but it is indeed a lengthy process towards greater concentration and focus levels. and just like you my eagerness to experience the full unification is tempered by patience and faith in the infinite. progress is slowed but steady.

it is nice to meet you, and for you to have made yourself clear about what you represent. i wouldve wish you ask them what must be done with the energy to achieve levitation if you may have more lucid personified interactions than me more regularly. they may respond in code. but that is fine. if you could? and please let me know. either way though, if time is to reveal it to me it will be revealed and i am patient. indeed i should be able to have it revealed myself in the manner i ask of you. but i spend more time decoding the force itself rather than seeking dieties in a lucid dream state of the various gates. as i understand it i have an eternity to play in those realms and thus i spend more time seeking to bring knowledge translated from the aether into our reality as i grow.

i was recently told something in a 'dream' by a diety. i had set out to meditation in bed and was taken to a place in dream in the presence of a diety that i felt was more than human. i did not look upon it's face directly in dream. yes indeed my eyes were averted. but what it told me, the knowledge surely didnt come from me, because i hadnt known of it. i had to go and do research to complete it by referencing facts in this reality. that allowed me to decode the message and realize it is a message of something to come. such knowledgeable and timeless beings. what else can they be called? perhaps not worthy of worship, but certainly worthy of great respect. each essences of the nondual represented as one and indivisible.

Originally posted by filledcup
what representations we see in our mind are only forms taken in the brain as it makes sense

Yes I agree with that. In archetype work you can ask any given energy to take any form you like, although it's best to let it take whatever it does, since that is indicative of the nature of one's relationship with the energy.

my experiences with those i call dieties have not been as lucid as i would have liked them to be. part of that is because of my limited practice schedule which accounts for work and all the aspects of real life matters that need tending to. but it is indeed a lengthy process towards greater concentration and focus levels.

Yeah, real life gets in the way of my internal life too.

i wouldve wish you ask them what must be done with the energy to achieve levitation if you may have more lucid personified interactions than me more regularly.

If I were seriously interested in that, I would ask. Unfortunately I have previously experienced wanting to ask something for someone else, and didn't realize until the moment of it that they know what I care about, and asking anything when I literally don't really 'want' to know on an emotional level is... well it feels 'inappropriate' almost in the rude sense. I actually laughed when I read your post -- seriously, you realize chakras are identities we can have relationships with but the main thing you want to ask is how to levitate? That's funny!

they may respond in code. but that is fine.

A couple decades ago, entities of various kinds often responded in numbers. Drove me out of my mind. I had no idea what the numbers meant. In fact the day I got married I was told that the thing my husband and I would most struggle with would be 15, and to a lesser degree 51. I was like, thanks guys, that's SO helpful.

i spend more time decoding the force itself rather than seeking dieties in a lucid dream state of the various gates.

I mostly just want them to be friends. The meditations I do with my inner guide seem to go better the 'more of me' is involved, and they are part of me. I think they're kind of fascinating and I'd like to know more.

I had a wonderful if odd med with my heart chakra just last night. He finally gave me a name after a couple years of my wishing for that. I just happen to be in the phase of chakra work lately which is one reason I visited this thread. But my focus generally isn't on the chakras, it's just on whatever my inner guide wants to do (he is sun, son, christ) -- his current version has the disarmingly mundane name of Mark, despite my arguing that with him, because it embarrassed me. My paradigms probably expected it to be long and end in IEL or something lol! Anyway... whatever he wants, he leads. I just try to make time for some basic exercises like cleansing, Aeon rounds, chakra work etc. along the way... they are what I consider my composition, my infrastructure.

such knowledgeable and timeless beings. what else can they be called? perhaps not worthy of worship, but certainly worthy of great respect. each essences of the nondual represented as one and indivisible.

I am slightly less given to the woo here, so while I grant much as divine and worthy of respect, I don't necessarily assume that greater wisdom / insight / info than my own makes anybody a deity, but I do understand what you're saying there. Even archetypes generally have more info than I do about whatever given thing they are part of, so by that measure, I'm the ultimate proletarian and everyone's a god. Little g.

Originally posted by RedCairo

i wouldve wish you ask them what must be done with the energy to achieve levitation if you may have more lucid personified interactions than me more regularly.

If I were seriously interested in that, I would ask. Unfortunately I have previously experienced wanting to ask something for someone else, and didn't realize until the moment of it that they know what I care about, and asking anything when I literally don't really 'want' to know on an emotional level is... well it feels 'inappropriate' almost in the rude sense. I actually laughed when I read your post -- seriously, you realize chakras are identities we can have relationships with but the main thing you want to ask is how to levitate? That's funny!

Hell to the yes. levitation would be awesome!! lol and if it's really possible i want to know how it's done. i seek to understand all of the mysteries. but most importantly the reason i wish to know is to provide demonstrations for those who lack faith to for once see for themselves the benefits of seeking the spiritual path. and help bring them to it. much has been already revealed to me showing that these things are indeed possible, though i am yet to master any one facet of such high lucidity and focus. but i understand it well.

they may respond in code. but that is fine.

A couple decades ago, entities of various kinds often responded in numbers. Drove me out of my mind. I had no idea what the numbers meant. In fact the day I got married I was told that the thing my husband and I would most struggle with would be 15, and to a lesser degree 51. I was like, thanks guys, that's SO helpful.

the best person to figure out the code of your dreams is you. ud need to open your eyes to the world around you to see the signs of what they are trying to tell u in dream state. they speak in symbolism. i would start with research on symbolism of the numbers 15 and 51 and the philosophies derived thereof.

www.ridingthebeast.com...

www.ridingthebeast.com...

for starters. also thank you for that. i may have to examine those numbers more deeply myself.

such knowledgeable and timeless beings. what else can they be called? perhaps not worthy of worship, but certainly worthy of great respect. each essences of the nondual represented as one and indivisible.

I am slightly less given to the woo here, so while I grant much as divine and worthy of respect, I don't necessarily assume that greater wisdom / insight / info than my own makes anybody a deity, but I do understand what you're saying there. Even archetypes generally have more info than I do about whatever given thing they are part of, so by that measure, I'm the ultimate proletarian and everyone's a god. Little g.

indeed, but there are lesser Gods and greater Gods than others leading all the way up to the Supreme. in other words, there are those that are indeed superior to us. and we should portray that superiority in our translation to those who are still searching. wouldnt want them to do something silly and disrespectful. as much as we are on an inclined path.. we must be careful to not eat of the tree of good and evil again.. and then too to seduce our counterpart to share in our punishment. u call them archetypes, but that takes away from them the attribute of their conscious and living attributes.

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I got a quote in your text that looks like I said what you snipped, when I did not.

Gods or other entities whether they exist or not is of little to no importance when the root of all suffering lay within oneself.

If one wants to deify the cakra's into a self and other of duality that is their business.

In my opinion all 7 unite and form a whole in the end. Without this unification the self is fragmented, in what could be termed 7 separate selves. When united the lower self is transformed into a whole. This starts out as consciousness, and the mind... or a higher self and lower self. The duality.

The higher self blinded chases the lower self around through it's various animal drives. This is the average everyday unenlightened person.

The lower self resides in the root cakra, it is filled with a lot of energy to run around and chase. If we direct, this energy it can slowly uncoil and join the the cakra or self above it, it is no longer just the base drive we have to deal with and understand it is now the sacral, then we go back to ground zero until we learn to integrate both of those, then eventually rise to the next self or solar plexus cakra to back to the root to integrate... eventually we reach the crown cakra. The length of this process and development varies from individual to individual.

Eventually, the higher self and the lower self after the lower self has been transformed through the 6 cakras (gates), join in a complete state of union or marriage if you will. The consciousness does not intently watch the mind, the mind does not try to get the consciousness to chase it like they used to do. They are in a perfect union or oneness and cannot be differentiated from each other in the end.

Practice is simply the consciousness wooing the mind to do what it asks, the mind plays hard to get teasing it all the way up through the cakras until eventually they briefly join. Many mistake this as full enlightenment, or marriage of the two, and lay down the path. If the mind wanders and the consciousness catches it somewhere it does not approve, the path is not done. They always go together in complete harmony after the path is finished because they are one and indistinguishable from one another.

This is my experience of understanding, they are only separate in a duality... when in the duality thinking them separate is normal as well as deifying them or anything else for that matter. With perception there either is something or isn't something, if we are creating something that cannot be seen or experienced by other senses or another person with the mind... it is a delusion, if the consciousness cannot correctly train the mind and becomes so enamored with the delusion the mind creates... one can be lost completely into madness, the eyes see what the mind creates but no one else can, the hears hear voices it creates... etc.

My advice is to not let the mind run run off, use consciousness to place it, do not allow the consciousness to become enamored with the mind to where it can believe what the mind creates so that it does not question the reality of it.

filled cup, the levitation ability comes from letting the mind drift into the madness of the mind so deep that it believes any creation of the mind, including those of the body, not just eyes or ears with hallucination but that of touch, you can project this hallucination into others instead of think it of oneself and they will hallucinate you levitating. Whether you are or not cannot be known by oneself, the meditation so deep there is no ability to have the awareness of levitation or not. If you shift consciousness to the sensation there is a feeling of buoyancy, if you shift focus on sight to see you will be seated, as the focus has shifted so far from levitation you cannot possibly be doing so.

The supra normal abilities that can arise are just fetters, on the path. To even seek them creates a divergence, from one of light into darkness a darkness that can be impossible to escape from. I urge you and others to leave it be. To walk the darker path, the consciousness heeds every whim of the mind, instead of placing and reigning the mind as on the lighter path... it indulges the lower self, every impulse it follows without question.

Of course there is a route of control as an actual practice, on the lower but I would rather not teach the dark path, I am putting this here for educational purposes, since most are so lost on the path of darkness already. Just be aware that there is an opposite path. Instead of Shakti slowly rising becoming worthy to meet Shiva. Shiva slowly descends through indulgence and degradation to meet Shakti.

If Shiva follows Shakti counter to the path of light guilt arises, rationalization normalizes this feeling allowing all manner of atrocities, so deluded one believes their actions justified.

Sounds like you have it all figured out.

reply to post by BigBrotherDarkness


not quite so fast brother, did you ever consider that there are levels beyond the crown chakra?

and no, whatever delusion, makes it's permanent mark in reality. what u suggest is a hypnosis of self and those around u. but that is for the levels leading up to the crown when learning to program one's own brain and detach from poor influences to replace them of one's own construct with more positive ones. debrainwashing oneself so to speak. and then replacing with a rigid belief system of ur own choosing.

beyond the crown is where fullness of unification resides. a melding of dream and reality that makes manifest dreams in this reality. out of nothing. out of pure and thin air.

reply to post by BigBrotherDarkness


not quite so fast brother, did you ever consider that there are levels beyond the crown chakra?

and no, whatever delusion, makes it's permanent mark in reality. what u suggest is a hypnosis of self and those around u. but that is for the levels leading up to the crown when learning to program one's own brain and detach from poor influences to replace them of one's own construct with more positive ones. debrainwashing oneself so to speak. and then replacing with a rigid belief system of ur own choosing.

beyond the crown is where fullness of unification resides. a melding of dream and reality that makes manifest dreams in this reality. out of nothing. out of pure and thin air.

you might have been watching too much 'Omen' movies.

reply to post by filledcup


The knowledge and influence beyond the body is only good to have knowledge of once you have left it in death in the lokas of becoming... here in the physical body they bring altered states and madness, in those that do not understand them properly. This is a distraction to any and all that have not put it all down and walk the middle... sure, it's fun and fancy on the mundane level to levitate and other gross displays. It is upside down thinking for a reason, everything has an opposite in duality... indulging the desires of Shakti so that Shiva joins her in the root, taking up the dark path and spreading it into the world undoes the work of the Bodhisattva, just as their goal is to lead people from suffering and on the path of light "until every blade of grass is liberated". Those willing Shiva to descend and become base, turn their energies into using the path for personal gain and lead others deeper onto the path of suffering, using extremes instead of the middle.

Feel free to flirt with these things for as many lifetimes as you want; I suggest using the one you have now to walk the light, and escape the wheel of becoming, or if the compassion is there reincarnate to help guide others out by pointing the way... but your choice and your kama.

If you were ignorant of these things before; there's really no excuse to be now.

Originally posted by filledcup
Hell to the yes. levitation would be awesome!! lol

Haha! Well, I think truly 'living' and having fun with it is a good thing, so I hope you figure it out.

most importantly the reason i wish to know is to provide demonstrations for those who lack faith to for once see for themselves the benefits of seeking the spiritual path. and help bring them to it.

To each their own. I have zero 'evangelism' in that regard, myself. Actually, what I've seen in my own development is that it's been incredibly destabilizing, difficult, and hard work, discipline, and I don't really think it's the right path for everyone, and I suspect many others on this same path might not fare so well. So it's not something I encourage anybody to. Sometimes I meet people who (due to psi field involvement) ask me what they should pursue spiritually and I say, pray. Ask God, not me.

On the other hand, I am often talking/praying with my inner guide and wanting to bring more of his light through me and into my reality.

But I don't really consider those the same thing -- this light through vs. cultural-spiritual evangelism -- although I suppose for some people maybe they can be.

One of the visual/mental models that I've gotten over time -- as my inner spiritual world gets more and more "cosmology"-centric for some reason -- is of a sphere (imagine a star) which gradually goes nova. When things start, the light is coming through the center, and the orb gradually brightens, and the visual is like of a bomb or star-going-nova in slow motion, where you see the "intensity of the brightness" just get brighter and brighter, and gradually it 'converts' (enlightens) everything in its path as it gradually moves outward.

My understanding is that this IS quite the literal version of enlightenment and it is cosmic-sized, but experienced at every possible level. And that there is no question about our planet, our solar system, our galaxy, our universe, and its evolution: this is happening, always has been, always will be. The variable that we can control is simply whether we choose to be part of that "increase in luminosity" in this particular life.

On a greater level, it doesn't matter so much if we use this life to be a bad person and die in the gutter or a good person and ascend: all experience is equal: it all comes back to the collective: and this cosmos IS going to go gradually nova anyway regardless of what we do or don't in any given life. We have no innate obligations to the universe, because our experience and decisions (including if we were to be walking a dark road) are just as much a valid part of the universe as anything else, and infinite identities live 'through' us.

But this is not to say that our larger-identity may not have plans that include a degree of 'expectation' from inside us, of course; I answer to that of which I am only a part.

the best person to figure out the code of your dreams is you.

Sadly, I don't really care enough I suspect, aside from in a trivial 'how interesting' sort of way. Maybe for the same reason I don't care about levitating. I just don't get into the philosophical stuff too much, I think many people including me are prone to get wound around the axle of that so I tend to avoid it.

For example a couple nights ago I was doing a meditation and was with humongous orb of energy, it was a "mythical" framework that meditation (they vary totally, I never know what it'll be). When I dropped into the area where the orb was, a voice said, "A 125 foot sphere." I looked up the number 125 on google later, and it's the -- in my view -- typically boring stuff cabala has no end of, if ever there was a field of study that could render everything interesting into the most mind-numbing text-book sleep-inducing intellectual armchair philosophy it seems to be that topic. And every number means something...

To return to the thread topic, sometimes I can tell how much energy my various chakras are providing during a meditation by the kind of information I get. Ajna chakra is very specific, with a startling realer-than-real level of visual. Solar plexus feels like geometries and relationships-of-form inside me, and so on.

Originally posted by arpgme
Most people do not understand that The Vedas (Hindu Scriptures) are a religion based on SOUND not visualization. The point of saying the mantras is to vibrate the sounds so that they can be physically felt in the body:

If you just keep saying the sound in a normal voice, it will be less effective. The best way is to chant it - say it in monotone. Make you voice as deep as you can so that you can feel it in your body.

When you chant these sounds you should be physically feeling the vibration of the sounds in your body...


The sound "OO" (pronounced like the oo in food):

This sound is linked to The Root and The Sacral Chakra.


The sound "OH" (pronounced like the oa coat):

This sound is linked to The Solar Plexus (inner sun) and The Sacral Chakra.


The sound "AH" (pronounced like the a in father):

This sound is linked to The Heart Chakra


The sound "EH" (pronounced like the e in bed):

This sound is linked to The Throat Chakra


The sound "EE" (pronounced like the i in machine):

This sound is connected to The 3rd Eye and Crown Chakra

The sound "ZZZ" (like a buZZing bee), MM (pronounced like the m in mom):

This sound is connected to The 3rd Eye and The Crown Chakra


Again, I must repeat: When you are chanting these sounds it must be deep so that the vibration of the sounds can be felt in the PHYSICAL body in the body part associated with it. For example, You should feel sensations in your brain when you are saying "zz" , and you should feel the middle of your chest when saying "ah" .

One observation that I made experimenting with these sounds is that The 3rd Eye and The Crown Chakra are very closely connected.


Here is what I feel the chakras are associated with, you are free to interpret it in a different way:

Root - Feeling Safe and Eternal (no matter what everything will be ok)
Sacral - Sexuality, Lust
Solar Plexus - Intuition (as in "gut" feelings), Will-power
Heart - Passion (feeling "in love") , Compassion
Throat - Truth, Wisdom
3rd Eye - Imagination, Visions
Crown - Bliss, happiness

The feeling of an "orgasm" comes from the alignment of the lower chakras (and the heart).
There is a spiritual orgasm that can be temporary with combines the "heart" and "crown".
There is a continuous orgasm that can happen in the "crown".

edit on 13-8-2013 by arpgme because: (no reason given)

Excellent thread. Sound is magic.

--MJ

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This was a very amazing and informative post. Thank you.

--MJ

we should portray that superiority in our translation to those who are still searching. wouldnt want them to do something silly and disrespectful.

I've been flippant and easily irritated through much of my spiritual life the last decade and only finally started getting the point of it all the last several years. I even had inner-identities take me to task over it, telling me I was not 'cool' with this behavior but merely immature and disrespectful. Fortunately nobody injured me over it, though I'm sure it had unfortunate effects in other ways.

It was when my inner guide was suddenly realized as a genuinely angelic entity that everything changed for me. All the sudden the sense of holy and divine was present in so much where I'd been oblivious to it before, except with certain elements, that a great deal of the defensiveness just collapsed under the light of 'awareness of the glory.' Since then, I've been different about it.

I sometimes am typing something that I've been told or shown, only to realize that I am 'a distortion field' and I need to drop the droll, sarcastic, flippant, ironic, etc. so I don't mess up or filter what someone inside is trying to help me understand.

u call them archetypes, but that takes away from them the attribute of their conscious and living attributes.

Well, I only call some things archetypes. Although I believe we always experience a third-thing which is the juncture of our energy and something-else's energy and that 'symbol of the relationship' is an archetype. (I have a vastly more expanded definition of 'archetype' than most using the term, though.)

There is a difference, however; anything can be an archetype, while only some things are identities, and the main difference is that archetypes change radically as our relationship to that energy changes (for example I have been working through the tarot, each as an archetype, for eons); while entities generally stay the same and although my relationship with them may change, their general nature, symbolic appearance, behavior etc. doesn't change. Actually this is often how I can tell the difference between a 'guide' and an 'archetype' -- the former will not really change, once I have run through the elements etc. with it, and archetypes will have.

And some things overlap. The Sun is a deity, an entity, an identity, an archetype, and more, all overlapping at the same time, as well as a huge overlap with other powerful identities including the christ, the Aeon, etc. However, even he is a beautiful if down to earth human symbol for me who is more likely to show up in the conceptual equivalent of blue jeans and talk conversationally with me than act like a "deity" (however deities are supposed to act).

I have other inner identities who have to proactively "help block" their effects on me, since even in my imagination I'll be lying on my face in awe of their glory if they don't, the energy is so overwhelming. The sun (and inner guide, with one night's memorable exception) for whatever reason have always seemed to 'scale' to whatever I was 'capable of handling at the time' without overdosing me.

The chakras I simply call chakras; I don't know if there is some heirarchy of energy; they are powerful and they are part of us. They all feel huge excitement about tantric energy; and the crown and the kundalini are in love with each other; and at least so far my interactions with them have always been very positive.

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You're welcome, I hope it clarified something you were having trouble seeing. I try to point as clearly as I can, when dealing with these kinds of topics. I don't post or talk about this stuff that much, normally I just leave people to whatever path or belief structure unless asked. Clarity I think is the most important thing to bring into topics, it seems many things are muddled in various paths, leaving people with more to figure out than when they started with a lot of times. Whatever the path; getting to the meat of the matter, without circumnavigating the issue is most helpful. The way out is but one, all paths may have varied dialogue making them appear different, but in essence... all roads eventually lead to Rome, so to speak.

anybody succeeded in using chakra yet?

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kevinduhand
anybody succeeded in using chakra yet?

The point is to be in the moment and actually FEEL the energy as you chant these sounds. It is felt the moment you do them.

Relax, enjoy the vibration of the sounds in the body, and let it do the work.

If you are in a rush to succeed or only thinking about the end goal, it takes focus off of the vibrations in the body being felt at that very moment.

filledcup
Spread this message to everyone you know. to your friends and family and even the stranger and all who seek the Kingdom of God. speak of it plainly and calmly as natural as it is not supernatural. This is the way. but by giving them a fish, see how many questions they ask. see how much they seek to discuss rather than act. shouldnt they be retreating to meditation right now, disregarding all things less important? what is more important than this knowledge? they have no value for what was given to them freely.

Teach them to fish, and not to survive by the hand of a master. They must trust their intuition and believe in God. otherwise they are as one man against a tornado. the powerful forces of nature are not to be trifled with without God's Blessing and one's adherence to righteousness in aspiration at the very least. all have been warned

Can you translate this into something intelligible? I think you have a point but I can't for the life of Arouet figure out what it is!

TIA

Arouet