Dawn of Witchcraft, it is time now.

Originally posted by Indellkoffer

Originally posted by St Udio
the old and new testament Deity/God is chock full of plagues, pestilences, floods, all sorts of weather phenomena being wrought on certain kings or peoples

reanimating dead corpses, changing the molecular nature of water to taste like wine, etc etc

all these wraths or 'miracles' were acts of witchcraft or sorcery...despite the attempt by organized religion to distance those biblical acts of strangeness from magic and sorcery and the culture of witches/warlocks/sorcerers

Actually, the plagues and pestilences were brought on by Yahweh, ditto flood, etc, etc. Moses had a hand in some of this, as did Jesus (raising the dead)... and so forth.

For the record, I'm Wiccan and the idea that I have some sort of vast, creepy power over anything (including my grown kids) is pretty darn laughable. I do have power over the hamster to some extent, and the gecko. If I had real power, I'd have used it to have people neuter animals, adopt animals and kids, end domestic violence, etc.

Soccer Mom, since you don't believe you have any power over anything but the hamster and gecko, what is the point of being a Wiccan? To have power over hamsters and geckos?

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

Originally posted by rawheroine
Anyone here who's claiming that "magick" etc. is just a fun little HELPFUL pasttime is either 1) not getting it, 2) not taking it seriously, or 3) lying. Sorry!
You are not helping anyone. You are attempting to control others, which is a violation of their free will and life path, unless they have some sort of active contract with you that both of you can review if needed. Your actions reflect poorly on your intentions, so if you DO actually have good intentions, it would be wise to remove your tentacles from other people's lives.
Here's a substitute - sharing information. If you consider yourself a witch, pagan, alchemist, or something along those lines, and want to "HELP" someone - recommend a book or a website to that person about the subject!

This is just the tip of iceberg. There's more information on how the pineal gland fits into all of this, but..........

www.cds.hawaii.edu...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Goodnight.

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Thanks for the info. I am in favor of empathy and earth healing. If that's what you're into, that's great. Being empathic gives one passion to help others and sensitivity to overstepping bounds, so I don't see that being compatible with casting spells. Wanting to heal something is a great intent, too. With that, though, I'd be careful - maybe that little old lady doesn't want to be helped across the street!
Harmonizing with the earth and feeling empathy and love for all life are fantastic things to do. And, I'm sure we could all use some healing and help from each other. But once you start meddling with life, meaning, "helping" anyone or anything without its consent, it's a slippery slope.

Originally posted by shells4u
Truthseeker I get the sense that you are a good person who is having a hard time...and that saddens me...I am going to do for you the only thing that I can think of to help...I am going to keep you in my daily thoughts and nightly prayers that you get through this and that you are granted a quiet mind and peaceful spirit...Take care of yourself and be kind to yourself...sincerely, shells4u

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Wow, that's overstepping your bounds a bit. It's not right to impose your prayers on other people that way, nor is it acceptable to be pinning down a stranger with your thoughts every night. Crazy!!!

I would add that "harm" would entail "inflicting one's will on another" or "limiting another's growth" or "imposing ideas on another's will" or "intruding on someone else's private property". So make sure you're harming none, right?

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Things to remember about "witchcraft"....its a multi-headed thing especially at lower levels. Lower level practitioners don't normally see themselves in an overall perspective relative to their "enemies" or their own superiors. As it moves up the 'totem pole" as it were, that changes considerably as higher level practitioners become more and more aware, gaining power and authority in the dark realm, becoming very familiar with higher dark power as they go up the line and become high priests and warlocks ect. As well as they progress up the ladder the better they learn to hide themselves.

Anyway you wont have to go looking for them. If you are doing anything that arouses their anxiety they will come after you with due measure. And remember that the real operators behind "witchcraft" at any level you need to worry about are not human anyway. "We wrestle not against flesh and blood" ect.

Originally posted by NavyDoc
"Some say 'tis love, 'tis love makes the world go round. I say 'tis people minding their own damned business." ~ Lewis Carrol

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You know why he wanted people to mind their own business? Because he was a "child lover". Hmmm...makes you wonder about that quote now, doesn't it?

Originally posted by rawheroine

Originally posted by Indellkoffer

Originally posted by St Udio
the old and new testament Deity/God is chock full of plagues, pestilences, floods, all sorts of weather phenomena being wrought on certain kings or peoples

reanimating dead corpses, changing the molecular nature of water to taste like wine, etc etc

all these wraths or 'miracles' were acts of witchcraft or sorcery...despite the attempt by organized religion to distance those biblical acts of strangeness from magic and sorcery and the culture of witches/warlocks/sorcerers

Actually, the plagues and pestilences were brought on by Yahweh, ditto flood, etc, etc. Moses had a hand in some of this, as did Jesus (raising the dead)... and so forth.

For the record, I'm Wiccan and the idea that I have some sort of vast, creepy power over anything (including my grown kids) is pretty darn laughable. I do have power over the hamster to some extent, and the gecko. If I had real power, I'd have used it to have people neuter animals, adopt animals and kids, end domestic violence, etc.

Soccer Mom, since you don't believe you have any power over anything but the hamster and gecko, what is the point of being a Wiccan? To have power over hamsters and geckos?

It's her religion.

Do all Christians lay on hands or speak in tongues?

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As an ex-occultist, I, SkiSwanne, support your boycott of dark majik.

Originally posted by wildtimes
Wiccans work IN HARMONY with nature, and the elements......toward GOOD ends......

"If it harm none, do as you will"

"Do as you wish"

- Anton LaVey, founder of modern Satanism

There's a fine line between dark and white majik. Make sure you see it.

Originally posted by swanne

Originally posted by wildtimes
Wiccans work IN HARMONY with nature, and the elements......toward GOOD ends......

"If it harm none, do as you will"

"Do as you wish"

- Anton LaVey, founder of modern Satanism

There's a fine line between dark and white majik. Make sure you see it.

That fact that you responded to a post about Wiccans with a quote about Satanism is indicative of your understanding of witchcraft in general.

Christianity is related to Satanism as they are from the same pantheon and believe the same entities. Christianity is the only path to theistic Satanism. It has nothing to do with any pagan movement. It can't because, if a religion acknowledges Satan, it's not pagan!

reply to post by thruthseek3r

My guess is I might have a Succubus and an Incubus after me and it's been a while.

What is happening in your life to make you believe this?

Originally posted by thruthseek3r
Do not underestimate to the power of the brain. If I put my energy to oppose this kind of thing, I will find the resources to end it. The fact of posting it on the internet was just to put in the known witch and witches that they now have someone else who will vehemently oppose them.
Thruthseek3r

Aspiring to selective omnipotence through one's mere brainpower is grandiosity at its most hilarious.

At least the practitioners you intend to disarm by purely resisting them with your mind understand their own limitations. Spells are fallible and aren't guaranteed to work, you understand.

If you must be an activist, so be it, but injecting negative energy won't do any good.

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Do not underestimate to the power of the brain. If I put my energy to oppose this kind of thing, I will find the resources to end it.

And other will find the resources to match your power and just keep this battle ongoing for eternity.

What is it with all these claims of righteousness in the past few months.

Its you guys proclaiming love and ending evil that will create the greatest evil ever.

Is that your motive?

Originally posted by Cuervo
Christianity is related to Satanism as they are from the same pantheon and believe the same entities. Christianity is the only path to theistic Satanism.

That fact that you responded that is indicative of your understanding of Christianity in general.

I saw loved ones, those who were deep in dark occultism, turn completely insane because they failed to see the line between Light and Darkness. I was harmed by them, and they couldn't even see that they were harming others because to them this was "natural". Fortunately for me I had a strange experience, and I saw the line and avoided turning like them. There are no coincidences (as you well know). I realized that chaos is NOT the ultimate force. It's the destroyer, the rising entropy which modern physics speaks of. It destroys life.

My apologies if this has already been stated, as I've yet to read through this thread in its entirety, but I made it to page 2 before feeling like I needed to chime in.

Originally posted by thruthseek3r

According to Merriam-Webster the definition of witchcraft :

1 a : the use of sorcery or magic

b : communication with the devil or with a familiar

2 : an irresistible influence or fascination

3 : wicca

It think I could agree with these definition, but these are not complete definitions of what witchcraft truly is.

That's an extraordinarily broad definition. By that logic you would seek to destroy the Christian God and even Christ himself because both are known to have communed with the devil. You yourself, and your new found obsession to rid the world of witches means that you have an irresistible fascination with trying to influence the existence or course of witches.

Be careful.

Also, most witches, at least all of the ones I know do not believe in a devil, let alone communicate with it.

According to the free dictonary by Farlex:

1. (Spirituality, New Age, Astrology & Self-help / Alternative Belief Systems) the art or power of bringing magical or preternatural power to bear or the act or practice of attempting to do so

2. (Spirituality, New Age, Astrology & Self-help / Alternative Belief Systems) the influence of magic or sorcery

3. fascinating or bewitching influence or charm

Let me be clear that in no way was this a complete definition of witchcraft and I doubt there will ever be because the old cults and techniques normally only changes of name and how they are presented but are sill the same things. An encyclopaedia would be needed just to regroup all of the things which are part of witchcraft.

If you want to rid the world of witches and pagans** who practice their ancient arts, you better start with the 3 biggest religions within Abrahamism, as all of their practices once belonged to various "pagan" peoples. You should also start thinking about getting rid of any NASA astronomers, doctors, or pharmaceutical lab techs. Then there are the farmers and fishermen that still rely on almanacs to think about. Do they fall under these broad terms?

"Witchcraft" has its roots buried deep into everything in this modern world, and making use of these everyday tools could be construed as practicing witchcraft.


(**The term pagan, taken from the Latin "paganus", meant villager, rustic; civilian, non-combatant.)

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what results?

It still appears you dabbled in crap you have no clue what you where doing
So please do share your magical experience

Try to summon something
try to get laid with it



As for the rest of you statements..

To be so young and naive again


You still have avoided the question

As a former satanist (read real not Laveyan) who was delivered from this by the Lord thank god, I have a few things to say. And since I'm all for equal rights, I'm sure this will pee off most everybody equally.

I don't think truthseeker has given this much thought, I think his zeal (which most of you will read as bigotry) has blinded him. (I am guessing this, b/c sadly, I myself did something very similar about 15 years or so.)

@truthy. IF (and that's a big IF) you are in fact seeking to stretch ur "discernment muscle" or something like-minded, ur focus is entirely WRONG. you don't go after the PEOPLE, you go after the spirits BEHIND the ppl. When Christ dealt with possessed ppl he rebuked the demons, not the ppl. (And that is what you are doing here, you are, by your very act of "putting ppl on notice" PUSHING them towards it even more b/c you have in essence insulted their beliefs.

IOW, you have only reenforced their resolve & done the exact opposite of your intent.

Now, when these ppl were delivered, Jesus said "Go and sin no more" b/c he knew if they did they would be SEVEN TIMES OFF WORSE THAN THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY. But that was done out of concern also, he never put individuals on notice. (Cept the pharisees b/c they were obviously full of chit.)

I can't stress enough that if you LOVE ppl, (which is what Christ commanded, even your enemies) your fight is not against "flesh & blood, but against powers, principalities, and spirits in high places" (which in the greek, are demonic military ranks) Therefore this whole thread is full of fail, on a spiritual level.

As to the practitioners of magick, (I told you i was for equality :lol There is NO DIFFERENCE between white & black magic. So sorry. Real satanists laugh at wiccans & pagans. why? B/c we KNOW where we're going when we die. (Past tense for ME, obviously) you can NOT circumvent God, even using nature, b/c by doing that you are basically doing the same thing Adam & EVe did in the garden, and the results will be the same. All white magic does is give credence that healing is possible WITHOUT GOD, and as such who do you think that gives credence TO?

Fwiw I'm not trying to be a troll, and I hope it's not seen that way. Just MHO. I would advise however, of anyone "sending" anything truthy's way, on the off chance he is just mis-guided & not trolling b/c the consequences of that ass-beating that entity will receive by truthy's guardians will be severe, and will be reciprocated on YOU. (I've seen/heard of this. Those in the field know this is true, ask around if you don't buy it)

Have a good one guys, and seriously truthy? I think you should apologize to the ppl for you being misguided & step away. Not flesh & blood, remember? Otherwise why not just remove the "Jesus" tag from your t-shirt if the bible means nothing to you.

Good day all.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
Well I am sorry you wish to go on a Crusade,
but for those who wish to see how a lot of your neighbors really are living in the Modern World,

Check out a Pagan Pride Event near you. Most happen around the Fall Equinox, as our local one does each year.

Here is a link to help educate yourself if you wish to see Pagans and Witches up close near you.

Other sources include but are not limited to Witches' Voice.

Good Luck with your Crusade,
Pagans will Not be so Compliant in your wishes to eradicate them this go 'round.
Your energy would do well to see how much we are alike instead of demonizing us all like we are sub human. This will not work again, as it didn't work the last time Nazi like thought raised it's ugly head.

Don't forget the Edinurgh Beltane fire festival - doesn't look Christian to me

beltanefiresociety.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
Well I am sorry you wish to go on a Crusade,
but for those who wish to see how a lot of your neighbors really are living in the Modern World,

Check out a Pagan Pride Event near you. Most happen around the Fall Equinox, as our local one does each year.

Here is a link to help educate yourself if you wish to see Pagans and Witches up close near you.

Other sources include but are not limited to Witches' Voice.

Good Luck with your Crusade,
Pagans will Not be so Compliant in your wishes to eradicate them this go 'round.
Your energy would do well to see how much we are alike instead of demonizing us all like we are sub human. This will not work again, as it didn't work the last time Nazi like thought raised it's ugly head.

Don't forget the Edinurgh Beltane fire festival - doesn't look Christian to me

beltanefiresociety.wordpress.com...

reply to post by Cuervo

Do all Christians lay on hands or speak in tongues?

No, I was raised by a mother who thought that was the power of satan, but on my journey I have spent time in the pentecostal church and it can be terrifying or wonderful, seems to release all sorts of emotion, I can tell you as a reiki practitioner that I have seen healing come from both practices.

Now as we go back through the pages of time and read the ancient text and look at the historical and archeological records, blessings and cursing are there, even in the Bible OT, but Jesus taught a new doctrine of only blessings.

I was fascinated by the Incantations artifacts, and terrified at the same time.




None of us know the old ways, we can only guess.

If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Choose love, love never fails.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

I am absolutely drawn to the occult, the metaphysical, the supernatural, the unexplained, in all faiths and researched it, the Bible itself is full of occultism.

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Well put.