Evolution backed up by Hoaxes and Desperate Lies

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


I see. So your answer to science is to cite coincidence, conjecture and flights of fancy? That'll work...

Originally posted by JameSimon

You are a very poor reader. Rickets causes bones to become softer and deformed. Homo Neanderthalesis had stronger bones than the average human being. You fail once more at your "simple logic" text. Continue spreading lies and nonsense, I'll continue laughing.

PS: Continue ignoring every valid and supported post on this thread, it gives you an huge amount of credibility. Show me, please, a bone disorder that gives you neanderthal body, with all it's key differences from human body.

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You love to focus on one things and one thing only. Are you saying there are no conditions that could produce the images of the Neanderthal man? Are you saying that the German scientist who forged the dating of those fossils was not disgraced and the whole Neanderthal man must be rethought? You cannot claim that I did not post about it and simply post to this example of odd skeletons within the human species.

Was it rickets? It has been brought into question. Is there any biblical information of man being changed? Yes, and is it possible that since the "fall" of man we have been degenerating and not evolving? Is it the fact that we are going from order to chaos? The world seems to point that way as do the many extinct species throughout the world. We still discover new species but can we say when they first arrived? No we cannot.

We have evidence of giants upon the earth at one time. Many ancient texts talk about a mixing of humans with some other form called the "sons of God". That this brought about great chaos and they were destroyed, though some remained and were killed off. Is there evidence of these giants?



This is of course not the only evidence, but it is quite amazing.

Evolution is on it's heels as more and more people are waking up. Just what has been hidden from us by the elite? Why do they not want us to understand the order of the universe and keep us dumbed down in their left brain only schools? I would welcome your explanation of the mathematical (implies intelligence) sequences in nature represented by the Fibonacci sequence and golden ratio. I look forward to a logical evolution argument of pure chance on this topic.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


How difficult is it for you to visualise a species of animal, say some kind of bird, which has ranged, and settled into a wide spectrum of different environments. Each environment presents different challenges with regards to things like food, predation, weather patterns etc. Eventually, through adaptation we would see a divergence in behaviour and appearance of some populations of these animals from their 'parent species' to the degree that new species of birds could be classified. It's not a difficult concept to grasp once you shake off the mental shackles of religious dogma.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

I see. So your answer to science is to cite coincidence, conjecture and flights of fancy? That'll work...

Just what coincidence? If you wish to have a discussion I welcome it, but if you just want to throw stones, please don't comment. It's highly sophomoric and does not lend one to respect the stone thrower.

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

How difficult is it for you to visualise a species of animal, say some kind of bird, which has ranged, and settled into a wide spectrum of different environments. Each environment presents different challenges with regards to things like food, predation, weather patterns etc. Eventually, through adaptation we would see a divergence in behaviour and appearance of some populations of from thier 'parent species' to the degree that new species of birds could be classified. It's not a difficult concept to grasp once you shake off the mental shackles of religious dogma.

Are you even reading this thread ? Show me a bird that had turned into a new animal. Not adaptation to an environment, but a new vastly different creature. That is what evolution wants us to believe. Show me how it survives during this transition from say a lizard to a bird or from a fish to a mammal. That is what evolution wants us to believe. I have said over and over we adapt. Please show me a natural progress from a pig to a horse.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Oh, so it has to be a 'vastly different animal' does it? I see, those shackles are firmly in place.

From a pig to a horse? OK, I guess you really are not worth the time.

Originally posted by flyingfish
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

I will agree that willful ignorance is a part of the creationist thought process, but most creationists are passive creationists. They accept what they're told.

Then you have the proactive apologetic creationist like the OP and his star buddy 1nfent1le, who's foundation rests on a lack of self awareness.
I think they truly believe that scientists are interpreting data so that it matches their assumed conclusions, just like they do.
Therefore, their interpretations are on par with the conclusions that real scientists reach.
In reality these creationist are reflecting themselves...
In order to hold on to the illusion that is creationism they need to believe that everyone else is just as deluded. By projecting their flaws onto real scientists they can convince themselves that they are on equal footing.

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Yes, let's all psychoanalyze the OP and other posters you don't like and ignore the information presented, that is so much more fruitful and fun. You have not refuted the evidence. You call me unaware? Why don't you try to tell me how no life creates life. Why don't you tell me how nature, the universe, DNA, and the myriad of examples I have presented just so happen to use the mathematical information of the Fibonacci sequence and golden ratio. Explain consciousness for me and emotions.

Or just continue to use typical derailment tactics to besmirch me and others you don't like. You are the one indoctrinated in their schools. Tell me, did you even watch those videos or are you all knowing and thus find it stupid to avail yourself of information freely given.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


"Evolution is on it's heels"??? Seriously? I'm afraid that it's the exact opposite. We're seeing more and more evidence of it with every year that passes.
Oh by the way, attacking Darwin for not having all the evidence in place for his theory is rather sad. Darwin didn't have access to the kind of scientific equipment we do now. It would be like attacking a 19th century doctor for not knowing what we do now.
And finally your idea that Neanderthals were modern humans with rickets and other degenerative conditions. I've seen this claim before on the site before. It was laughable then and it's still laughable now. 0/10.

I want to thank those brave enough to discuss this thread. Some act like if only a couple of us venture into the pro- Intelligent Design that would mean we are not standing on very good ground.

Many do not reply to any topic on ATS. Many do not care to debate anything, and many just don't like to be ridiculed and called names. Since when is a majority opinion prove anything? At one time the majority of the world believed the earth was flat.





I find many more on the evolutionist side who come in and try to derail threads, gang up and hurl insults hoping to distract from the facts presented. Your behavior speaks for itself. Truth is truth no matter who is saying it.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

How difficult is it for you to visualise a species of animal, say some kind of bird, which has ranged, and settled into a wide spectrum of different environments. Each environment presents different challenges with regards to things like food, predation, weather patterns etc. Eventually, through adaptation we would see a divergence in behaviour and appearance of some populations of from thier 'parent species' to the degree that new species of birds could be classified. It's not a difficult concept to grasp once you shake off the mental shackles of religious dogma.

Are you even reading this thread ? Show me a bird that had turned into a new animal. Not adaptation to an environment, but a new vastly different creature. That is what evolution wants us to believe. Show me how it survives during this transition from say a lizard to a bird or from a fish to a mammal. That is what evolution wants us to believe. I have said over and over we adapt. Please show me a natural progress from a pig to a horse.

.....???? Ah. I see. You are now willingly obfuscating. You don't actually know anything about evolution and the way it works and instead you're just blathering a lot. Evolution is about graduated steps. By the way, we can trace pigs and horses back to a common ancestor. That's evolution for you.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

"Evolution is on it's heels"??? Seriously? I'm afraid that it's the exact opposite. We're seeing more and more evidence of it with every year that passes.
Oh by the way, attacking Darwin for not having all the evidence in place for his theory is rather sad. Darwin didn't have access to the kind of scientific equipment we do now. It would be like attacking a 19th century doctor for not knowing what we do now.
And finally your idea that Neanderthals were modern humans with rickets and other degenerative conditions. I've seen this claim before on the site before. It was laughable then and it's still laughable now. 0/10.

Yes, if you get scientists alone without their peers listening as many have shared in the videos, they speak of the problems they are facing. How much of an impact the ID argument is having and how so many people still do not believe in evolution is a major problem for them.

Would you care to deal with the topics I have raised or just prefer to nit pick one thing? Neanderthal was dated wrongly. Lucy was created to appear human despite the fact they know it was an ape. Evolution gained it's strangle hold on education through fraud and deceit and once it had it then it could claim anything and not prove a thing.

None of you have proved anything beyond species adaptation WITHIN the species. None of that was ever in question. What was in questions was how life began and how the myriad of species suddenly appeared on the scene. Darwin was sure the transitional fossils would be found and they have not been. His theory requires immense time to exist to create these species and yet the geological timetable has been shown to be very problematic as has the dating systems which give vastly different dates on the same material. Just how do you find modern man under the KBS Tuff? Just why are polystrate trees growing through geologic eras ? Oh I know you say those were anomalies of sudden events, but the table is good elsewhere. You all dismiss the WWII airplane in a glacier saying that ONE formed quickly but all others formed hundreds of thousands of years.

You sir know this evidence against evolution is having an effect and many who read it have reason to re-evaluate what they were spoon fed in your controlled indoctrinating system of public education.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

Are you even reading this thread ?

Do you even understand what claims are made by modern evolutionary synthesis? Because the rest of this post suggests that you do not.

Show me a bird that had turned into a new animal. Not adaptation to an environment, but a new vastly different creature. That is what evolution wants us to believe. Show me how it survives during this transition from say a lizard to a bird or from a fish to a mammal. That is what evolution wants us to believe. I have said over and over we adapt. Please show me a natural progress from a pig to a horse.

You are laboring under the delusion that finding a crocoduck would be evidence in support of evolution and the absence of said crocoducks somehow disprove evolution. If you understood the theory of evolution, at even the most basic level, you would know that the exact opposite is true.

You can add this to your list of things which aren't valid sources of information about evolution:
1. "Dr. Dino" Kent Hovind
2. Chick tracts
3. Ray Comfort*
4. Answers In Genesis

*Please note that there are actually two links for Ray Comfort there.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
Please explain to me how no life begets life. It sounds like Orwell's double speak of War for Peace.

No. Not at all. Life came from the combination of various reacting elements, which became molecules which combined to form the initial single celled forms of life.. And carbon being the central one.

Read up on how reactive Carbon is with almost every other element and then research just how much carbon there is (speculatively) in the universe.

I can accept that life began on Earth from perhaps some foreign meteor, bringing some alien molecules or amino acids which naturally spread, given the conditions of the planet. But there is ZERO evidence that any God or religious deity of any kind hand his or her (or hir) biased hands involved in anything.

It also reminds me of a scripture in Isaiah:

Isa 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Why do that to yourself? Why quote some nonsense like it's evidence? It isn't.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

Being willfully ignorant is the very epitome of creationist thinking. Yes, how brave you are to flaunt your stubbornness(I do not doubt your intelligence by the way) in this forum. Posting a picture of Ghandi wih a quote from him might make you feel righteous and noble, but it just makes you look concieted and foolish to others.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
.....???? Ah. I see. You are now willingly obfuscating. You don't actually know anything about evolution and the way it works and instead you're just blathering a lot. Evolution is about graduated steps. By the way, we can trace pigs and horses back to a common ancestor. That's evolution for you.

No you can't. You all take a fossil here and a fossil there and say see... they look like this fossil! As if that shows gradual incremental evolution.

I see you don't want to answer my questions. None of you do and that shows intellectual dishonesty. Just because you say something like pigs and horses have a common ancestor does not make it so. Hell, the whole evolution of the horse is a hoax.

Deal with Surtsey island, none of you touched that:

www.rae.org...

I know you all hate this guy, but you offer nothing to prove he is wrong in his facts.



The evolution of the horse was proven wrong over 50 years ago and yet it is still taught as fact. Museums will still have displays and as of that video one said it couldn't take down that display because it did not have the funding! Yes, teach a lie and promote a lie and blame funding! I bet if they had a new proof of evolution by some incremental evidence they would have the funding to create a display of it.

I know facts upset you pro evolutionists, but here are some facts:














HERE IS THEIR EARLY HORSE FOLKS:



Yeh, that looks like a horse! No incremental change, just more evolution lies.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


If evolution is "on its heels" then the rest of science must be in ruins since evolution is the most strongly supported theory in all of science.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Actually I and others have answered your questions. You on the other hand continue to avoid our questions. So what is that mechanism that prevents evolution from occurring?

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The rock dove, the finches of the Galapagos. Take your blinkers off for goodness sake!!

Originally posted by helldiver
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The rock dove, the finches of the Galapagos. Take your blinkers off for goodness sake!!

uh huh.. sure... nice debate.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by helldiver
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The rock dove, the finches of the Galapagos. Take your blinkers off for goodness sake!!

uh huh.. sure... nice debate.

You asked for an example, i provided one. If you want to see examples of how graduation eventually leads to a "different kind" of animal then go read Dawkins An Ancestors Tale. It even has pictures.