Fleeing the UK/USA after SHTF

Where would you head to if society goes to the wall??

An island?? The mountains....

reply to post by punk316


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Why wait for SHTF?
Leave before then so you can beat the rush.

If you don't like where you are; MOVE. You're not a tree.

The US has so much land, Id stay.

I know the territory, I know rough locations, Why throw learning a whole new area into the mix.

Id just flee into the woods... Part of the reason I moved to where I did.

Now if it was disaster and I had to leave? South America seems nice, I can blend with the natives.

reply to post by Druscilla


Who said I don't like where I live??...read the post lol

reply to post by benrl


I have to agree.



It's a REALLY big fan we're talking about and crap can't hit all of it. lol... Knowing where the stink stops will be the key. Lots of darkness in the night, if one knows where to look, eh?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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I have to agree.

It's a REALLY big fan we're talking about and crap can't hit all of it. lol... Knowing where the stink stops will be the key. Lots of darkness in the night, if one knows where to look, eh?

Theres some spots I go to, to camp... Never take anything electronic there, just so peaceful...

I could see spending my days out there.

That is in the right scenario, asteroid hits our yellow stone, how far is far enough?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I think your picture illustrates your point...

I would love to go to Russia.It would be very good imo to go to such an environment when the SHTF.

Rocky mountains are the closest to me, plenty of wild game and streams for water, and easy to hide. But, if that was out of the question, Wyoming would be great because of the wild game and lack of population. Next would be Montana, but it gets pretty dang cold up there!

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There is something rather interesting about that night time photo of lights in North America.
I find it VERY unusual that there is an abundance of light coming form the area in northern
Alaska / Canada border. There appears to be as much light emenating from there as parts of the
highly populated eastern seaboard. Yet if you explore eastwards of Barrow all the way through to
Canada on Google Maps/Sat there is nothing there? HMMMM

reply to post by Druscilla


That is such a good point, Druscilla! I already did! Into one of those blank spots on the map below your post. I'm a very pro-active guy

We might be under Martial Law. That will make it harder to leave. I see 3 choices, Canada, Cuba and Mexico only as a last resort because it's such a dangerous place. I'd stay in the woods or a safe community as long as possible before I had to leave but try to anticipate the situation so I can do it early enough.

I'd perhaps go to Puerto Rico if I thought I could get there via Cuba and the Dominican Republic. Puerto Ricians Are Americans and will likely be sympathetic to our plight. I know several and they are really great people.

I'd pick car if possible but on foot or boat for transportation. Planes will probably be a no no.

Something you run-for-the-hills types seem to rarely take into account: A LOT of other people will have the very same idea, and all that plentiful game and wildlife and food just growing everywhere will disappear if not from just getting run off by all the people stumbling around, but through over-competition.

The better strategy is to go where NO ONE else goes or wants to go.
Other people are going to be your biggest problem when it comes to survival. Either you're competing with them. They're scaring off anything and everything that might be food. They pose a threat of taking you and your stuff by force.

Anyone that can get to a coastal area and a boat marina should do so, and take a sailboat, even a small one. Any adequately provisioned sailboat can go anywhere else on the planet accessible by the ocean.
A small boat can be used to skate up and down the nearer coast to find more boat marinas that may offer a better, bigger boat that can be more adequately provisioned for travel anywhere else on the planet.

Sailboat: You're not competing with anyone else for resources. Food can get got from the ocean itself. You can travel and take LOTS of stuff with you near anywhere. You've clear sight lines as far as the eye can see for any possible approaching danger. You can sleep while sailing global and still make travel headway.
You can do so solo, or with friends/family.

New Zealand up in the mountains near ish to a major city. No where else I'd rather be

reply to post by Wildmanimal


Oh... There are things there alright. I'll just say I've seen odd things come up in other places to indicate it beyond question. Odd things indeed ..and from that region on into the Alaskan/Arctic boundary line on the Eastern section.

That photo is a compilation of many scans as I recall the explanations saying on it, so it may have caught things on a couple passes but not another or something. Way out where anything at all shows up like a Christmas tree, those little things do pop right out, eh?

I do love the beauty of the photo though. I was looking at the HD version earlier and seeing the reflection off the Northern Ice when it really hit me in a deep, meaningful way. At least in recorded human knowledge, we're the first few generations ever on this world to see it like that. As if it was little more than landscape in a backyard, for scale of view and taking it all in for a single glance that way. So peaceful looking at night, too.

reply to post by punk316


I believe in the "Stand Your Ground" Laws. I also believe they have more than one purpose, but its all about survival verses giving up and running like hell...


Why run? Why leave? Why not stand your ground and BE the change to a failing system. THAT will be what is necessary for Americans to survive.... leaving is what tptb would want....

Why would I leave?
I mean, depending on what had happened...and where. If the economy crashes...well the entire world is tied to the US with $$...and if you have $$ from the US... who's to say it will be worth anything?
Do you have a vehicle or vessel that will take you to where you want to go? If not, your stealing and putting yourself in a possible even worse position...being that the owner might be close by and catch you or worse!!
How would you get to the country that you want to be in? what if planes aren't available? If its a big SHTF...do you really think the navy wouldn't be out along with the Coast Guard patrolling the waters?
If your driving there, do you have enough gas? Are the boarders going to be open?
Are you taking everything with you, when you go? Do you have something to load it all into?
Your willing to leave the comfort of your home/apartment and everything you cannot carry or haul behind?
Leave security and shelter to hit the open road/waterways to try and hope that you can even get to where you want to go? If GPS systems are not working ...say due to EMP or whatever...how will you find your way hundreds or thousands of miles to this place? Will the country that you want to run to, allow you entry into there country? Remember many countries have a lot different laws than we do when dealing with illegal people there...so if your leaving the country for a SHTF, you might find yourself in a lot worse place, then you would have been in...

People seem to think that...the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence...if you think it is...why are you still here and not where you want to be... why are you waiting for the SHTF before going ...why are you waiting to travel with the masses and risk not making it?
This is just a few questions and thoughts that I had, the second I read the post and a couple replies.

In the UK the Scottish islands seem like a good option, although Puffin meat and eggs would get a bit dull after a few months. Fishing from the rocks with a hand line is great and of course there is Seal meat when you can get round the cute guilt.

Originally posted by Druscilla
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Why wait for SHTF?
Leave before then so you can beat the rush.

If you don't like where you are; MOVE. You're not a tree.

I have roots here in the U.P. I must be a tree. Oh yeah, I live in the bush, why would I want to move anyway I'll have to talk to the deer that comes and eats in my yard and garden to see if it wants to move somewhere else.

reply to post by saltdog


Its called a paper back road atlas, no GPS needed. Old cars that don't rely on chips etc.
Most people stay where they are, because their family is close. Once a SHTF happens the country folk will go deeper into the country and start to live off the land. Outhouses, stream water/ rain barrels.
The people that only know the city life, better not step up to the challenge of living in the country they will just die in the long run. They are better off in the FEMA camps.

Farmers/cowboys rednecks/hillbillies and survivalist would be the ones that could survive SHTF scenerio. City people will just wither away.