100 dead in Egypt front page on BBC

But nothing here on ATS. There wasnt a peep of this from usual news souces either. Do Americans not care? Didnt we encourage non violent demonstration?

"Egypt's interior minister has warned supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi that they will "soon" be dispersed from a sit-in in Cairo.Minister Mohammed Ibrahim said lawsuits filed by residents near a mosque provide legal cover for the clearance.But thousands insist they will stay at the Rabaa al-Adawia mosque.
The area was the scene of bloody clashes between the army and protesters on Saturday, with doctors estimating that more than 100 people were killed.

The health ministry puts the death toll lower, at 65."

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by GeneralMishka


This is breaking news so calm down but even NBC[/u rl] & [url=http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/27/world/meast/egypt-clashes/index.html?hpt=hp_c1]CNNhas reported this story.

But you are correct that a lot of Americans don't give a crap.


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Originally posted by GeneralMishka
But nothing here on ATS. There wasnt a peep of this from usual news souces either. Do Americans not care?

I was actually trying to write a sincere answer for you. Then I realized that you already have decided that Americans don't care based on the fact that no one on a conspiracy website has started a specific thread.

It wouldn't matter what I wrote.

You weren't asking a question.

You were simply making an accusation.

Put yourself on trial.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

I will soon make a post dedicated to this subject.

What the MSN and a high percentage of media is not posting is the fact that nearly half the population of Egypt was out on the streets supporting the Military..not just the military but for a future for the people living here, economy and the future children of the country.

What the media has missed is the fact of the Muslim brotherhood has recently released over 9000 quality personnel from the jails over the last year , specialized in warfare.

Over the last week or so there have been incidents in the hot daytime heat of groups offering water laced with poison, 6000 military and police uniforms intercepted by customs officials, Deception is the main key role here.

The fuel crisis which has crippled Egypt over the last year has no been reduced dramatically enabling the country to transport food and goods easily across the country since the military rule has taken effect., i will post further videos showing gas tankers dumping fuel in the dessert, with links.

on the recent deaths over the last week there was a incident where about 51 deaths from the Muslim brotherhoods were released in fact 38 of these were non Egyptian nationalities....the trouble within this country is paid, which most of you are aware of.

The media coverage of this subject is diabolical, as soon as i have more time i will put together a post with credible sources and detailed report of what is really going on here.

The most important factor here is how can Morsi and escapee from jail run for presidency and obtain this place in power .

Originally posted by Anubiss
I will soon make a post dedicated to this subject.

What the MSN and a high percentage of media is not posting is the fact that nearly half the population of Egypt was out on the streets supporting the Military..not just the military but for a future for the people living here, economy and the future children of the country.

What the media has missed is the fact of the Muslim brotherhood has recently released over 9000 quality personnel from the jails over the last year , specialized in warfare.

Over the last week or so there have been incidents in the hot daytime heat of groups offering water laced with poison, 6000 military and police uniforms intercepted by customs officials, Deception is the main key role here.

The fuel crisis which has crippled Egypt over the last year has no been reduced dramatically enabling the country to transport food and goods easily across the country since the military rule has taken effect., i will post further videos showing gas tankers dumping fuel in the dessert, with links.

on the recent deaths over the last week there was a incident where about 51 deaths from the Muslim brotherhoods were released in fact 38 of these were non Egyptian nationalities....the trouble within this country is paid, which most of you are aware of.

The media coverage of this subject is diabolical, as soon as i have more time i will put together a post with credible sources and detailed report of what is really going on here.

The most important factor here is how can Morsi and escapee from jail run for presidency and obtain this place in power .

Considering Morsi was democratically elected in a country where the Muslim Brotherhood is strongest, why more people have not perished protesting the military coup is noteworthy.

So you are saying even this handful that died are outside paid operatives of violence?

Originally posted by muse7
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

To be perfectly honest, for Muslim countries to free their societies from the Radical Islamist's that want to drag those countries back to the Middle Ages, there will be bloodshed. Especially if those same countries want multi-party democracy, women's rights and respect for other religions.

Those countries have ignored what Radical Islam really wanst. We hear it all the time; "Most Muslims aren't Like Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Queda you fill in the blank" Well, when the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt and started to muscle everyone else out, I think the "Arab Street" finally woke up fact that a radical minority was taking over their society...... and they didn't like it.

Radical Islam has shown NO inclination of wanting to work with other Muslims, all they have know is violence, strife and holding on to what power they have at ANY cost. Given the proper amount of weapons, I am confident that the Muslim Brotherhood would try all out war against the rest of Egyptian society rather than reach a compromise with those who the MB consider "infidels" ie other more moderate Muslims.

Those who have lived by the sword, tend to die by the sword. With most of these Radical Muslim groups, even other Muslims are their enemies. History will look back at this as a period where mainstream Islam cleansed itself of those Radicals I think. It will take a generation or two, but once a people have tasted what freedom is like, it's hard to put them back in a box.

Now, if we could only tackle Wahabism in the same way..........

reply to post by Anubiss

I am afraid you missed the point democratically elected ? how can you elect an escapee from jail.

As for the country is majority Muslin brotherhood, you need to understand that more than 70 to 80% opposite this.

the country wants to move forwards not backwards.

its hard to talk about a topic that people are divided on. you have the western public who have a negative preconception of muslim brotherhood, you have the western media who knows a coup when they see one, and you have egyptians who favor any means to get rid of the bearded ones. The facts are layed out clearly however. MB rule had no massacres, no power grab for dictatorship (dont believe who say otherwise), no detained without trial, no curbing freedom of speech. All those things have been done in the past weeks already of military rule/mob rule. The context of Morsi's actions have to be analysed fairly as well, he did eleminate the judiciary indeed, but only when there was damning evidence they were about to annul his presidency and election. Before this the news at the time knew him as a president without powers, just a figure for tv as everything else was controled by old regime and if they were willing to compriise then for the good of egypt they certainly werent after protests against morsi began, protests that indicated to them that dissent is possible even for a democracy elected and if they pull all the stops and have morsi in a corner they will take power back.

There is already proof that military organized with youth leaders for the coup months before. the military has co-opted the revolutionary streets and has went so far as to command it. On friday, General Sisi ordered people to go out to the streets if they want to see "terrorists" eliminated. terrorists = MB sit in. The protests were the biggest yet. They have perversed the meaning of tahrir's peaceful revolt, now people go to tahrir calling for the military massacring MB. Who needs elections or ballot boxes when you can pull off these numbers on the street?

There is also proof of old regime who control the industry, to have created a climate for revolution but shutting down and diverting resources and messing with the stock market. A recent poll done during the coup asking people in tahrir why they were demanding morsi to step down, answered by saying they were angered by lack of electricity, oil and whatnot and not because of politics as much.

Then you go the egyptian media, heavily biased, spent the entire year fermenting revolution against morsi by harnessing paranoia and rumors of MB selling country to foreign forces. Egyptian media is a strong influence, probably the single most reason why you see all this hunger for massacring MB, and yes there is a hunger as strange as that sounds especially coming from people who hungered for human rights 2 years ago. The dilemma for the western public is this: islamist are democratic and currently relatively peaceful but the secular anti-sharia are fascists who call for blood.

Whose side? You know both are bad, but you cant help but want the secular anti-sharia to win as you think they will give rights to women and not have religious rhetoric used for politics. Not to mention that had MB succeeded all of the middle east wouldve been in their hands and they may have leverage then to do as they wish, as in push their agenda for a caliphate. On the other hand, the secularists who are also socialist arent gonna be best pals with the west either, they are by the looks of it, hate the west more than MB does although i havent seen evidence that MB do in the first place since they seem to embrace the confines placed by the west, for instance they support capitalism and are willing to be allies.

all this is better explained here in this interview, probably the best fair analysis yet problem is its in arabic: www.youtube.com...

reply to post by muse7


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson.

That is hardly an apt quote to describe the situation. The problem with much of the public's understanding with Middle East issues is that they attempt to view it within the framework of American history, philosophy and politics. This skews their understanding of the situation. It must be analysed with an understanding of Egyptian socioeconomic trends, history, Middle Eastern and Islamic philosophy and realism.

The protestors are protesting in support of Morsi. Another autocratic leader who violated the constitution himself and enacted policies that are widely regarded as authoritarian. His party - the Muslim Brotherhood - violated human rights and undermined the same freedoms the initial protests were supposedly aimed at restoring.

Furthermore, the entire protest movement, in my opinion, has been clothed with this image of the average person fighting against political tyranny. The media has seized on this, not because it aims to play some kind of political game but rather because it will sell more papers and attract more viewers. The truth is that the protests were the result of governmental mismanagement and incompetency, economic tyranny and stagnation.
The protests themselves are more so the result of the socioeconomic conditions in Egypt, rather than some kind of political ideology and anti-tyranny movement.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


the 2011 protests wherent for economic reasons, it was purely out of frustration with the police state and mismanagement or disregard for public's opinion on important matters. 4 things happned before uprising, 1 was that mubarak's time was up and military was gearing for his removal although they were kinda reluctant, 2 innocent teenager tortured and beaten because of a facebook comment became symbol of police brutality, 3 one of the worst terrorist attacks on christians as bomb exploded inside church which also affected the mosque beside it. 4. leaked video of blatant rigging of parliamentary elections coupled with response from official implying that they dont care what people think.

I would like to think that one of these reasons that started the revolution. 2013 is totally different, people seem to not want democracy as much as stability.