US plans to bring Iran oil exports down to zero (No, Seriously, read this)

www.jpost.com...

Sorry if there is a thread about this but I didn't see one and feel very much compelled to talk about this because this is what it's all about.

Ok... you know they sanctioned Iran as usual with the excuse of Nuclear weapons when we all know it's because they didn't control Irans oil. japan had the Tsunami and got a pass to still buy Iranian oil. China took a pass as well but I think they kind of rather insisted instead of being granted one. They started buying Iranian oil and doing a lot of other global business outside the US dollar (which is world reserve currency so they don't want anyone doing that) THEN Saudi Arabia started doing some business outside the dollar as well with China but basically just to compete for Chinese business since it's the largest energy consumer. The West needs Saudi oil to sell (more so than buying it) because it is vested in Saudi oil..... but doing business this way just hurts the dollar more.

So now we have this article... is it just another sanction? Is this real? What will China do? Are they so certain they can back China in a corner this way? China is currently banning some new government construction and implementing some belt tightening reforms despite having a strong economy... so what will there answer be and what EXACTLY is meant by....

After a year, exemptions granted to countries such as China, Japan, Turkey and South Korea – which continue to import Iranian oil – will no longer be granted. Companies in those countries doing business with Iran previously given a pass will be cut off from the US economy.

Cut from the US economy? Like totally?

Come on... The shelves in our stores would be a lot more sparse. Do you realize by how much?

This is just another tell tale symptom of what I have been watching.

They pick on Iran because they want to control the majority of the oil because they know if they do not control it, the dollar will fall and the east will overcome the West. The only reason this has not happened yet is an illusion... because they market of the East has always been huge.... has always been strong and has always been sought after for exploitation of labor and resources.... for a a long LONG time in the history of man. From the finest of products to the cheapest of deals... and it continues to be insulted this way. US can start wars others don't agree with but China can't buy Iranian oil... says THEM.

When is this crap going to stop?

What will china do? I'm anxious to see.

they just made this huge deal with Pakistan to tunnel from West China at the north end of Pakistan, all the way down along Afghanistan to the shore right next to the southern east corner of Iran. Iranian oil perhaps, Himilayam metals, goods to Pakistan vice versa....and it's like the president just announced. "ok, you know those plans china had for strengthening ties and economies? The west is all going to drop it's drawers and go poop all over those plans and you've got 14 months to decide how much you like smelling our crap"

this is freaking unbelievable.

If China continues buying Iranian oil... The US has implied (according to this article) that in a manner of speaking yet technically, they will be imposing some of the biggest sanctions on China.

They might not call it that, but that is what it will be.

Is this REALLY the way to negotiate global peace?

After all the posturing and all the pretending to be cooperative.... now this.

Incredible. I find this statement absurd to a country we are supposed to be trying to improve ties with... and already HAVE ties with.

All the espionage, Snowden, North Korea, all the talk and wars against communism and Islam... all that is posturing.

It all goes back to Iran taking back their oil decades ago and holding the dollar up against Asian trade.

I'm not big on world politics, but I liked your OP

What do you think this could lead to?

Also, how powerful is Irans military? I'm wondering why they havent just stomped all over them like they do anywhere else in the world.

This could have HUGE implications on the world economy and possibly what little peace in the world we have. My country just keeps digging itself deeper and deeper, both domestically and internationally.

Companies in those countries doing business with Iran previously given a pass will be cut off from the US economy.

Wow, that could put Wal-Mart out of business

There must be a lot of plastic junk at Wal-Mart that was made in china using iranian oil.

I think even a year ago, such terms and near ultimatums from Washington would have been taken a certain way and however unhappily, results would have been seen favorable to the US. Now? With things like Snowden fueling the courage to tell Washington to get stuffed? I think this is a bad bad miscalculation for timing and topic to push right now and it's going to backfire.

The only thing worse than calling an end to a stupid thing like "exemptions" to sanctions is to do it and then have nations simply not give a damn or bother to notice you even said anything. The latter is what I half expect to see from at least a couple nations ..and what will Obama do about it? Pout and threaten to make a stronger request? Paper Tigers don't engender fear or respect and someone's bound to call our bluff.

The US will have their bluff called. Then, we'll see just how mad these men who control our government really are.

I'll wait.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
I'm not big on world politics, but I liked your OP

What do you think this could lead to?

Also, how powerful is Irans military? I'm wondering why they havent just stomped all over them like they do anywhere else in the world.

Well, Iran *did* take back control of their oil by force. Iran isn't anything to play with in my opinion. This talk about them trying to make a nuke... pffft. Maybe they are trying to make their own but if they really wanted one right now to use, they could probably get one very easily. They probably already have them. Even without them, they would be tough to fight. They are nothing like other countries we've picked on. They have advanced weapons and a strong devoted military. That is the reason we've been prepping for that and haven't pounced yet.

I think China is to the point where it's tired of this crap and the US economy is floundering, so what China gains from doing business with us would naturally suffer from that. I think it must cross people's minds (and I'm not trying to say China will do this)....it has to cross leaders minds that the US would benefit the world more if they controlled it. If the East controlled the West, a lot of global tensions would subside. Eastern socialist countries would probably relax some of their hard line stances because imperialism is the entire reason they hold up that old guard. The west spends money like it's toilet paper.... and it's to stay on top of the global economy. Remove this fact and efficiency would immediately be scored. A lot of loopholes would be out of the way.

The West has pushed the East around for a long time, but some players in the East, rather than retaliate, employed a logistics strategy. That is why you see Chinas market the way it is today. You always hear about cheap labor in China but a lot of the people over their are still proud of their country and it's the people's republic of China by name for this reason. Their type of national pride expects to outsmart and outwork the West and eventually get revenge for a shame that has been going on well over a century... concerning the infiltration of Western policies.

I'm sure they'd rather earn the rug out from under the West and they have been doing exactly that, but West has gotten used to getting away with hardball. China can be tough inside its borders but has a gentle foreign policy... I think our leaders misread this because eventually, it will no longer serve China to keep swinging at these hardballs.

They intended to build a strong country at a great cost to their own people and they've done exactly that. They have a lot of strong world partners. The benefit of profiting off of American consumerism must be hurting right now.... so how much longer does it pay for them to sit back and take this?

That scale will tip and it will become easier to just affect Western policy whether the Western elite like it or not.

In other words, control what The West provides to the rest of the world.... for example, agriculture.

Asia has a lot of people to feed and a lot of influence in South and North American agriculture is a prize to say the least.... but our leaders know this and are stubborn and that's why they control agriculture within our borders the way they do. It might be interesting to look at laws of exporting food from the US and all the regulations imposed... might lead to some interesting revelations.

Maybe China will not do anything and disappoint Iran in struggling times... but if they do, it is because they have a huge dilemma to deal with and are being forced by the West... I don't think they will just leave them high and dry.

Maybe they will find a way to keep doing business in a round about way.... thereby challenging the US declaration to do this.... See how long they can tip toe around it.

It would be not unthinkable, imo, for China to figure out a way around this... but I can't think of how they would do this.

I just maintain that the US will not be able to do this forever. they have gotten complacent with their bossy position and one day, it will be meaningless. I'm not sure when that line will be crossed but I'd say we can't be too far from it.

The east has been preparing for this ultimately. you don't prepare for something for ages and then just forget about it. Russia and China are pretty devout in this.

Israel just bombed a Syrian port important to Russia and we've heard nothing else beside russia is now conducting the largest military exercise in decades. The silence is eerie. the demeanor of chinas leaders concerning cutting back on certain government spending means that what was allocated funds might now be allocated somewhere else like military endeavors. meanwhile Biden has just gone to India to suck up to it's leaders because it wants someone out of the largest world populations in the east to not plot against them and are looking for that surety.

I think it's naive.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Wow! Very nice reply
Scary times we live in.

WHOA!

FULL STOP

they just made this huge deal with Pakistan to tunnel from West China at the north end of Pakistan, all the way down along Afghanistan to the shore right next to the southern east corner of Iran. Iranian oil perhaps, Himilayam metals, goods to Pakistan vice versa.

I hadn't caught you said this my first run through your OP.

My God... They are going to tunnel UNDER Kashmir to make a 120+ MILE LONG Tunnel. Are they nuts?

That isn't all they had to say. China and Pakistan....

China reaffirmed that its relationship with Pakistan was always a matter of highest priority in its foreign policy, and it would continue to strengthen this strategic partnership.

It vowed to continue extending its full support to Pakistan in the latter's efforts to uphold its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, while respecting the development path chosen by the people according to its national priority, and support Pakistan in maintaining social stability and economic development.

Pakistan reiterated that friendship with China was the cornerstone of its foreign policy, enjoying a national consensus and appreciated the support and assistance of the Chinese government and people for Pakistan?s sovereignty and socio-economic development.

Pakistan, China sign deal to build 200-km-long tunnel through PoK

I think we need to get United States forces out of there. Out of Afghanistan as well. It's a land locked nation and Pakistan is the front door to even send our guys dinner and fuel delivery.

I'd heard nothing of this tunnel until now. That would be a Wonder of the World class accomplishment. Kinda like their 'all record breaking' dam or a few other things they've done. Now the tone of your Op makes more sense.

Hmmm....Did'nt I just read a few days ago that the USA has increased its oil production by 600,000 barrels a day, or so (fracking, oil shale etc I presume). And is Exporting more oil.?

Perhaps cheap Middle East oil could be a threat to the US selling its (more Expensive) oil??

Solution....stop people buying ME oil any way possible.......

Ah Capitalism...isnt it great.. Consumers?...not so great.....

What a wacko, greedy World, Humans have created for themselves.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


I would have thought the state the US economy is in they cannot afford to loose more business. I think this will come back and bite them in the bum...

They won't be imposing sanctions on China. They will be refusing to allow Chinese companies engaged with the Iranian oil sector participation in the US economy. Big difference.

In the big scheme of things nothing will change it is business as usual. Usa know they can not survive without China full stop. Usa also can not be so stupid to think they can actualy tell China to anything. This is all smoke and mirrors for the people to think usa can do anything.

Trying to strangle Iran even more is not going to accomplish a damn thing. They are already backed into a corner. Continue to press them and they will be like a cornered animal...it would appear we are trying to "force" them to make that nuke so we then have a public excuse to flatten them. In the big picture, it's pointless.

Funny thing I see across threads like this where China, or Russia and USA relations pop up.

There is always the "go-go USA!" crowd and then there are the sympathizers that want nothing more than to see the USA (even when it's their home) falter and fail...

Here is a clue...the entire world is in the grips of madness. You might want to blame it on China or Russia or the USA...but even places we are not interested in right now are insane...you can pick a side and maybe feel a little better about yourself and the condition of things...but that is just you lieing to yourself...there can be no good outcomes from any of this.

Instead of blaming proper China or Russia or the USA...why don't you look around and blame the real criminals here...the global mega corporations and the bankers that back them...

reply to post by Sharingan


America like Europe and UK are all Bankrupt, it's fact that when ever this happens as now it always leads to World War, we are much closer than what the public are told, I belong to a department that deals with helping the public in emergencies and 2 years ago we were told that in the event of war situations in the UK we must not give the public any protection advice, that is indeed proof to me that the elite prefer not to have many people survive war, maybe they know things will be so bad that the elite want what remains after war to be for them only.

More school yard bully tactics that will fail.

Eventually the young country will grow up.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Frankly, I find your thread a bit out there. First, China's economy is in lousy shape. They've spent like crazy, property prices have crashed and overall their exports are suffering as well.

Why would The Saudis want anything other than sanctions against Iran seeing it drives the oil prices up and Russia along with the Saudis reap the benefit.

Every non-nuclear nation in the middle east and all of Europe want Iran out of the nuclear development business.
They don't need nuclear energy. They know it. The world knows it.

All they have to do is stop.

It's too simple.

Frankly, if Iran uses this as an excuse for war, one which will be ended in weeks, if not days, then the loony tunes will have proven that they're too stupid/nuts to be allowed to develop nukes.

Oh, please cease with the "unfairness" of it all. "Fair" is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the world. We aren't ants, or bees. It isn't a fair world and never has been. We are not all equal, no matter the lip service, individually or nationally.

All China has to do is side with the U.S., not mention all of Europe. Iran is forced to cave in due to near zero exports and the sanctions are then lifted....everybody gets their oil...(China was promised extra production by the Saudis et al to compensate for any shortfall that they would suffer).

On the other hand, this may all be just another bluff on our part.LOL

reply to post by nwtrucker


We may be Bluffing but our troop movements seem to dictate that we are readying ourselves across the globe for WW3, just in case the Bluffs fails.

All these little things that are happening are just the beginning,of all out war. Why else would we need a massive Asian pacific presence. We just sent 20,000 troops to Australia for offensive land amphibious engagement training.

China is in border disputes all along it's borders, these little countries will welcome the U.S. into their back yard, they look at China the big bully in the playground,

which in turn puts the U.S. in a great position if all out war comes.

So, lets hope the U.S. bluff works. Otherwise, the Marines will be up.

reply to post by Skorpy


I can't argue with your logic.

I do recall the one time, and only one time, a liberal gave me an insight. He was older, like myself, and having lived through the cold war, one which no one saw a real solution for, somehow, but divine intervention or what ever, we got through it!!!

We survived it!! Frankly, when one looks at it, a virtual miracle!

Who knows? We may even survive this mess.....

I do recall, about a year ago, the supreme commander of the Chinese military was taken on a "tour" of some of our most secret bases and technologies. (Something that thee and me would never get to do.) He stated afterwards that China couldn't match the U.S. technologies militarily.

At first, I thought it was a stupid move. After some thought, maybe it was a wiser move than I thought....