Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM to announce

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Rested your case? Are you comparing movie stars to porn stars? I don't get any of what you wrote.

Basically you like porn. Not much else to say. The conversation went as it probably did for the last 33 pages to- different strokes for different folks.

I think the reality is much more of a deep-seeded issue for those involved in this world, but who knows, maybe people that were raped or demeaned, or unloved as kids now embrace those insecurities and that is why they tout this industry. What do I know.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Pinke

 

But by the same token, look at what happens to some actors in non-adult roles as well. Heath Ledger, Chris Farley, and John Belushi, just to name three. It's prevalent in mainstream Hollywood as well as the adult industry.

I already mentioned the correlation to the rest of the media industry? So I'm not sure of the point? If you're saying the two things are equal ...

8 deaths last year linked to drugs; some of them suicides ... all under 40, go as low as 20. That's just known drug related deaths from 2012 in the porn world - actors only.

Ledger, Farley, and Belushi are years and years apart and Ledger especially was a shock. There are likely both Hollywood and Pornstar deaths we don't know about, but the Ledger death is an annual occurrence on one side of the fence.

If you look at hollywood actors who pass away, they generally managed to scrape past 40 years old at least.

To be honest, I think the thread has two bias going on ... There is one side of this wanting to pretend like pornography is no more dangerous than filming an episode of Seinfeld or a Charlie Sheen sit com ... and the other side perhaps taking it to another extreme that all pornography productions are universally bad human trafficking operations.

Still, I think you're perhaps tricking yourself if you're trying to say that the risk to Hollywood actors is the same as the risk to actors in the porn industry. Just by the fact the adult industry often leads to escorting alone, it would almost be like saying prostitution is the same as acting. I'm only aware of a handful of data that tries to imply such a thing and those are linked to a controversial adult performer health agency ...

By all means, say that persons have a right to do these things, film them, and make money from them but it's like saying boxing doesn't cause any more brain damage than soccer, and kick boxing related knee injuries are no worse than tennis knee ... The porn industry is at least damaging to some percentage of the performers both male and female more so than ordinary acting at very least due to stress from the social stigma.

I just think it's important to admit reality when discussing these things.

reply to post by Pinke


I think you'll find that most people are realistic about how it affects some performers, and that some performers went into it because they didn't feel they had any other choice. But, by the same token, some performers also come out of it much better than they went in, and go into it with their eyes wide open. It's not completely harmless, but it's also not as hurtful or as exploitative to most as it's made out to be. Just like anything else, a small number of people are going to be affected differently than others. Some will end up enjoying it, and some will feel exploited by it.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Rested your case? Are you comparing movie stars to porn stars? I don't get any of what you wrote.

Basically you like porn. Not much else to say. The conversation went as it probably did for the last 33 pages to- different strokes for different folks.

I think the reality is much more of a deep-seeded issue for those involved in this world, but who knows, maybe people that were raped or demeaned, or unloved as kids now embrace those insecurities and that is why they tout this industry. What do I know.

So porn stars are not also movie stars? The porn industry is simply a division of hollywood show business, although granted a bit fringe. Its not for most people. But you called me out on the jealousy issue and I tried to explain my feelings about that. I would like to have angelina jolie, megan fox, julia roberts as friends, but I know its daydreaming on my part.

From the porn side I like asia carrera the most. I dont watch tons of porn. Basically whatever is on my cable subscription on and off whenever I feel like it.

Originally posted by SunnyDee

I think the reality is much more of a deep-seeded issue for those involved in this world, but who knows, maybe people that were raped or demeaned, or unloved as kids now embrace those insecurities and that is why they tout this industry. What do I know.

Oh please stop with this conservative bullcrap!

Did your plane just land from iran?

reply to post by SunnyDee

It definitely corrupted her thinking.

I was going to ask is that hat she thought of her self,

but in your next post

I guess it's my interpretation that it corrupted her, but she definitely went into it, embarrassed and ashamed and came out proud of things like how hot a top woman star looked and would share pics of these "stars" and tell us stories that I certainly found to be demeaning to all.

I am glad that you can guess it your interpretation because it most certainly by the rest of whats quoted.

Your friend obviously sees the opposite.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


She was my best friend as a kid. I know what she went through, it was not an easy life. She was screwed up from her childhood, and it has followed her every day of her life. Lot's of struggle.
She chose to leave the porn world for another life thousands of miles away and in the medical field. Her old life still calls to her, and she misses it, but she knows it was not good for her so is staying her new course.

My interpretation is based on knowing her well.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

She was my best friend as a kid. I know what she went through, it was not an easy life. She was screwed up from her childhood, and it has followed her every day of her life. Lot's of struggle.
She chose to leave the porn world for another life thousands of miles away and in the medical field. Her old life still calls to her, and she misses it, but she knows it was not good for her so is staying her new course.

My interpretation is based on knowing her well.

She probably did not belong in that career field to begin with. Its not about being a winner or loser. If you dont like something then you leave it. At least it was an experience for her and hopefully she made good money in the process.

The issue seems to be lost on this thread as too many want to discuss porn.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


yes, guilty as charged. I did on another page state on topic that allowing the govt to block this media , which is so easy to hate and so allow for blocking, is a slippery slope.

Less govt involvement is best.

Originally posted by Pinke
It isn't all seedy and nasty, but it isn't all rainbows and sunshine either.

Name some things that are. I don't know of any business that's all rainbows and sunshine regardless of the fact that (in many cases) every effort is made to make it so. The vast majority of the legit porn business appears to be remarkably clean considering the relatively small amount of regulation. Admittedly, there are undoubtedly things that fly under the radar. This means absolutely nothing to me. Anyone who wants to make a big name for themselves in the porn business isn't going to do it by consistently breaking the most important rules that are already established. If they get away with it for a while, they won't get away with it forever. The more well known they become and the more serious the violations are, the more likely they will be to get caught.

Drugs and increased chances of suicide etc ... is certainly a part of the industry more than other industries.

Drugs? Perhaps. A lot of industries routinely and randomly test for drugs (voluntarily in many cases). It totally makes sense to me that there will naturally be more drugs in an industry that not only doesn't test for them, but also tends to be run by more libertarian minded people. Duh! Libertarians don't tend to be very much in favor of drug prohibition unless you're talking about the really nasty drugs like meth, crack and heroin. I can completely imagine that a lot of porn people smoke weed and I don't see this as a problem. Though if I was in the business I would personally prefer to hire people who smoked in moderation (if at all).

Suicide? I doubt you could prove there's more suicide in porn than there is in any other industry. Nor do I think it matters. The First Amendment doesn't say your right to free speech shall not be infringed unless a lot of authors commit suicide. (I know we're talking about Britain here but I think the US First Amendment is and should be the standard everyone else aspires to).

I think at some point you do have to acknowledge that the people who work in the porn industry tend to be people whose lives are a bit chaotic to begin with. I kind of doubt the ones who commit suicide would fare much better in any other line of work.

Yes, even the really dodgy operators follow the law buuuuuut ... to pretend like every single shoot is like an episode of TV is misleading.

Most pornographers (even the ones who are a little on the shady side) are probably far more ethical than someone like "Dr Phil" (who is one of the people responsible for this unbelievably stupid idea that people shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions) so I guess that's a fair point.

There are many back yard companies, and some of the videos I've watched researching gender studies gave me permanent mental images that I couldn't get out with oven cleaner.

Really? You're that sensitive?

Well, I have some things that are burned into my mind as well but the vast majority of them are strongly associated with totalitarian governments and so forth. You want to talk about a mental image you can't purge? Let's talk about mass graves where people were buried (sometimes still alive) because they disagreed with the authoritarian regimes that ran the hellholes they were unfortunate enough to live in.

In all fairness, I might be a little bit desensitized because consensual sex (even really rough consensual sex) is far from the worst thing I can imagine happening to someone. If you confine yourself to that tiny cave where you might find some pretty disturbing things related to sex, maybe I can see what you're saying. In the grand scheme of things, you're missing a lot of ugliness that has more to do with people trying to run other people's lives than it ever possibly could have to do with sex.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Oh geez, did you really go there? Jealousy?
So, now an intelligent conversation has turned to belittling. Nice.

I am as normal as the next person. I did not procreate at knife point. I am all for free speech, including the porn industry. It will alway be around, but there really is no debate that it is not an innocent industry. I don't think there is any debate that if one visits it long enough, it becomes a mindset that does not add value to everyday life.

Every time I get into one of these discussions with people who are obviously of the same mindset as yourself, I run into people who make these kinds of meaningless statements.....

"...it becomes a mindset that does not add value to everyday life".

By whose definition? Who are you to tell me what does and does not add value to my everyday life? I will tell you that porn has added a lot of enjoyment, pleasure and yes, value to my life. And I don't have the slightest problem with saying so.

You have to realize there are people who do not define happiness, fulfillment, satisfaction, success and value the same way you do. This is a concept we call "freedom". You would probably be miserable in my shoes but that's why you're not. You're where you want to be and I'm where I want to be. Where I am may not be paradise (even by my own standards) but my world is what I want it to be. I do not want you or the tentacles of government intruding into and manipulating my inner sanctum. The only place in this world a person has left that has a modicum of freedom is their immediate surroundings. Their personal space and the space inside their heads. Now it isn't good enough for society just to run the world outside anymore. Now they want to tell us what to think, how to feel, how not to feel. They want to define our sexuality. They want to compare people who like sex more than they think they should to heroin addicts. They are literally starting to intrude into our bedrooms now. The one place we always said was sacred. We always said we'd never stand for it. But here it is. Slowly but surely, the door is opening.

The biggest W****r in Britain and he want to ban pornography. Go figure.

Originally posted by SunnyDee

it becomes a mindset that does not add value to everyday life.

then why the hell do MILLIONS of people watch porn if it adds no value?

most people who watch it are not sex addicts, if that could even be considered a disorder, which it is not. i am certainly not. in fact i watch more sports then porno.

if there is a demand for something then sure as hell there will also be a supply for it.

i feel like i am beating a dead horse by now, but i got nothing better to do because this forumn is dead anyway in terms of membership and worthwhile threads.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

I found this source which seems to indicate that 3% of men have been sexually assaulted as children or adults.

www.oneinfourusa.org...

I appreciate your responses and those of other members, perhaps my personal feelings interfere with my ability to discuss this subject "rationally" and you know what really sucks, I do know better. I thought I understood how certain "triggers" influence a much more sinister agenda to "divide and conquer"...and some reflection on my part is in order......

How many boys has the catholic church molested and covered-up so far? I have lost count a long, long time ago. To watch the pope and his subordinates ignore this is beyond disgusting. We all know it attracts homosexuals and pedophiles because its easy cover for them.

But corruption extends to priests in all sects of christianity and other religions.

I don't know if you are religious or not but I thought Id mention it to put things in perspective somewhat.

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
The issue seems to be lost on this thread as too many want to discuss porn.

So you would want to ignore the excuses and justification for Dave's right-wing views and pushing through of restriction of freedoms and rights.

Like it or not, the basis for this nonsense is something that needs to be discussed. If feminists are lobbying our PM to remove individual rights and freedoms because they don't like something, that something has to be a part of the discussion. If Christians are lobbying government to force their moralistic views on the public, based in their own nonsense conclusions and propaganda, that should be a part of this debate.

You cannot talk about the near criminalization of something without talking about the thing to be criminalized or the excuses those who want to criminalize it are using in their argument. That makes no logical sense at all.

reply to post by alysha.angel


What do you guys think will happen when this goes into effect?

Originally posted by BrotherOfSorrow
reply to post by alysha.angel

 

What do you guys think will happen when this goes into effect?

I'd like to think millions of people would move out of Britain but I don't think it's that easy to just pick up and move to another country. Especially if you're just an ordinary schmuck with little money and few skills.

Frankly, I think Britain's problem is the country has just been around too long. Rot set in long ago and things never get any better once that happens. Same problem in the US. We still have some form of quasi-freedom but nothing is going to improve here now or in the future. We turned down the wrong path long ago and we're just now starting to really see the consequences.

The porn business has had it's fair share of enemies for a long time (not the least of whom were ordinary busybodies who like to control others). But they always had some pretty good protection from every conceivable enemy. They were making good money. They could afford to pay good lawyers. They were growing.

Now, the impression I get is that file sharing and tube sites have really all but killed them financially. If they are not literally dying, it's only a matter of time. All of the enemies of the porn biz and it's customers are now circling like the vultures they are.

When commercial porn ceases to be a viable industry, it will still be possible to get adult material from amateurs doing it just because they enjoy it but...

1. It will be dangerous because amateurs could potentially be underage. There are no regulations requiring them to show their ID.

2. It will also be dangerous because the ordinary fool with a camcorder isn't making the kind of money he needs to pay a GOOD lawyer to protect him from obscenity charges should the government decide to go after him.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
in fact i watch more sports then porno.

Shhhhh!

You're giving them ideas on what to ban next after the porn.

Once they start down the slippery slope...So people have a sports addictions too? (not saying you do).

Better ban sports too. I've certainly seen more injuries in sports than in porn... that should be reason enough to block it, right? Maybe they should have blocked sports first??

/sarcasm

reply to post by Briles1207


It's not just about children accessing porn, I'm sure it would also be welcomed by spouses of porn addicts....