Russia Says It Was the Syrian Rebels Who Used Chemical Weapons

reply to post by Swills

My sources are on page 1. You missed them? Right above the bunny video.

Oh don't consider ATS threads 'sources'.nor do I find Iranian websites 'sources' considering they are backing Assad right along with Russia.

Al-Alam News Network

reply to post by neo96


So with your logic Israel created Hezbollah,the Soviets the Mujahideen, the USA Al Qaeda, so I was right

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You do make a philosophical point but is it correct?

We, the West, recognize the word mujahideen with Islamic terrorism but it's history is older than the Afghan invasion.

en.wikipedia.org...

The term Mujahideen was first used by the West to describe the mountainous sect of hillmen in Afghanistan who fought against British control (although initially to the British they were known as Sitana Fanatics). It began in 1829 when a religious man, Sayyid Ahmed Shah Brelwi, came back to the village of Sitana from a pilgrimage to Mecca and began preaching war against the infidels in the area defining the Northwest border of British India. Although he died in battle, the sect he had created survived and the Mujahideen gained more power and prominence. During the Indian Mutiny of 1857, the Mujahideen were said to accept any fleeing Sepoys and recruit them into their ranks. As time went by the sect grew ever larger until it was raiding and controlling larger areas in Afghanistan.[7]

Damn you Russia! You bastards!

reply to post by neo96


I'm with you.

I support the use of Wikipedia. WIkipedia lists sources, and the only time anyone should be wary of its information is when it says citation needed.

Originally posted by all2human
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So with your logic Israel created Hezbollah

edit on 10-7-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

No the people who created Hezbollah are in This post who are currently fighting against the FSA on Assad's side.

reply to post by Swills

We, the West, recognize the word mujahideen with Islamic terrorism but it's history is older than the Afghan invasion.

Not until 9-11 now every two bit terrorist takes the moniker.

And the word is old as Islam is itself.

The beginnings of Jihad are traced back to the words and actions of Muhammad and the Qur'an.[3] The people who helped Muhammad were referred to as Ansars ("helpers") and Muhajirs ("immigrants" who left due to years of persecution in Makkah, settling in Madinah).[4] Then the Muhajireen's property was confiscated in Makkah, so Mohammed called upon the Muslims to participate in Jihad against the Quraysh.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Swills

 

My sources are on page 1. You missed them? Right above the bunny video.

Oh don't consider ATS threads 'sources'.nor do I find Iranian websites 'sources' considering they are backing Assad right along with Russia.

Al-Alam News Network

Your attention to detail is lacking. Those are my threads and if you don't like the sources I used I'll gladly present to you other sources because I knew you would attack them instead of looking at the information.

Iraq captures alleged Al Qaeda chemical gas team

www.thestar.com...

www.aljazeera.com...

articles.chicagotribune.com...

Report: Police foil al-Nusra bomb attack planned for Adana

(Turkish outlet) www.todayszaman.com...

rt.com...

www.reuters.com...

Is that good, or no?

reply to post by neo96


Yeah it's as old as Islam itself, I read that Wiki page too, but it first came into existence as a fighting resistance battling against the British. But let's ignore that.

reply to post by Swills


The devil is in the details try looking up the Iranian Al Qaeda connections long history of it.

Lot of evidence if Iran supporting AQ in Iraq now suddenly doesn't like them?

Here is a devilsh detail that will shed some light on this topic:

Yet intelligence veterans say that Iran, in pursuing its own ends, has in the past taken advantage of al Qaeda fighters' need to shelter or pass through its territory. It is a murky relationship that has been fluid and, say some in the intelligence community, has deteriorated in recent years

I wouldn't even call it a marriage of convenience. It's an association of convenience," said Richard Barrett, former head of counter-terrorism for Britain's MI6 Secret Intelligence Service and later head of the U.N. Security Council's monitoring team maintaining the world body's al Qaeda and Taliban sanctions blacklists

"It's not a strategic alliance. An al Qaeda presence may suit the Iranians because it allows them to keep an eye on them, it gives them leverage in the form of people who are akin to hostages," he added.

www.reuters.com...

Who is using who?

And those are the people saying the 'FSA are using Sarin' because AQ and Iran are kissin cousin's so to speak.

reply to post by neo96


Okay, but the whole point of the original argument is that Al Qaeda is making these chemical weapons in Iraq, at least, and have been busted with them in Turkey, so far, and are a dominating presence in Syria where the same weapons have been used on multiple occasions. I'll save the Iranian-Al Qaeda light reading for later.

You continue to blame Russia for being the source of the rebels/Al Qaeda's chemical weapons when in fact Al Qaeda cells in multiple Middle Eastern nations are in possession of WMD's and that's a very sobering and frightening thought. Maybe that's why the NYPD and Brookhaven labs were conducting chemical gas tests in the subway system?

reply to post by Swills


Cool but now I am blaming Russia and Iran for FSA 'making chemical weapons' if they are at all.

Forgot about the Iranian/AQ connection.

reply to post by neo96


Damn you Russia! Iran, you bastards!

Originally posted by Swills
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Damn you Russia! Iran, you bastards!

Finally something we can agree on

reply to post by neo96


How can you blame Iran/Russia for the FSA using/producing chem weapons in Syria ?
Is it my mechanics fault the guy down the street has no hair?
Dude..pills

Originally posted by all2human
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How can you blame Iran/Russia for the FSA using/producing chem weapons in Syria ?
Is it my mechanics fault the guy down the street has no hair?
Dude..pills

edit on 10-7-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

Rather damn easy considering those Russian/Iranian bombs, and bullets that were responsible for thousands of Iraqi,Afghani, and US servicemen in the Iraq, and Afghanistan wars just moved to a new theatre of operation Syria.

Neither country had any problems what so ever supporting AQ in those theatres now suddenly it's Syria then it's oh hell no they don't.

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Actually, I pretty much blame all gov'ts for the worlds suffering.

Originally posted by Swills
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Actually, I pretty much blame all gov'ts for the worlds suffering.

Even Russia ?

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Of course. It appears you are mistakenly thinking I'm pro Russian gov't.

Originally posted by Swills
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Of course. It appears you are mistakenly thinking I'm pro Russian gov't.

Nah it's pretty much a given the universal constant which it comes to government in general that include's the entire planet is:

They all suck.