Time to Come Clean: I'm an Abductee!!

reply to post by RUFFREADY


Yes, I understand about wondering if such an experience was real.

I had critters come in my room as a teen. I did not look at them per se. I felt them, at least, more than saw them.

Yet, I had no doubt they were there. And, on one occasion, I descended in a kind of black DOWN elevator.

I had the impression I could stop it, if I wanted to. I did stop it. I had NOT even started to go to sleep. I'd just lain my head on my pillow moments before. I got out of bed . . . looked outside. Looked at the time etc. and I had the impression that Yeshua wanted me to go through the experience for some reason. I said, OK--IF YOU'LL BE WITH ME. I felt He said He would be. IMMEDIATELY I was back in the down elevator.

AT the bottom was a kind of side columned room like the side halls of the Vatican St Peter's. And a long way down at the other end sat satan on his throne. Every once in a while, he' d look up at me and laugh and declare that I was his now and would never escape. It was like I was on skates or gliding just above the very dark green marble floor--inexorably going toward the dark lord. I had a sense that Yeshua and my angels were behind me but well out of sight. It was mostly as though I was frightfully alone. All I could do was THINK the name JESUS. I couldn't move a muscle nor utter a sound.

After some seemingly very long minutes of that, ZAP, I was instantly back in my bed. No up elevator. Nothing--just ZAP I was back in my bed. I'll tell you, it took me a while to get to sleep that night.

I didn't start to study UFO's until 1962 in Jr High. That experience may have been before that.

I didn't start to think that the critters might be evil for another 8-12 years after 1962. Even then, I held out some possibility that some might be good guys. I no longer believe that about any of the ones mentioned in the UFO literature.

I think Nephilim is quite the accurate term--as does the panel of high level scholars Guy Malone assembled to look into it.

I certainly declared often enough in my teens after that and other 'visitor' experiences that they had no authority in my life and had to leave me alone. Eventually, they did. I never did think of them as ET critters nor any of the typical sorts in the literature like that. I always thought of them as demonic forces--which they likely were. I don't think they pulled the ET meme stuff with me. Not sure why.

When my close relative worked adjacent to one of their bases, he was a bit into New Agey mysticism after being raised more or less a Baptist. I felt he was way off and living dangerously. Eventually, he wised up and now is fully convinced of their evil nature as well as the evil nature of the NWO elite working with them. I think he's 71 years old.

Thanks much for sharing your narrative.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Thanks for that. Amazing account you had there.

I should also mention that it was real enough at the time (for me) that I went to bed that night with a "hammer" near my hand. I thought I'd smack it if it showed up again. Really...

Eventually, (I can't remember how long) I just put the hammer "just" under the bed, where I could grab it fast. It got kind of hard sleeping with the hammer.

Crazy huh

reply to post by RUFFREADY


THANKS MUCH for your kind words.

No. I don't think that's crazy at all.

You came up with what you could as a kind of defense. It was the best you could do with what you had.

CONGRATS on getting that far with it.

I know many youth that age who'd have just broken down in a kind of panic attack puddle.

And, you evidently handled it on your own without wailing chronically to parents who wouldn't or couldn't deal with the facts themselves.

CONGRATS AGAIN FOR THAT.

You showed a lot of wisdom and courage for such a young age. CONGRATS.

I'd bet you've continued that way through your life. Am I wrong?
CONGRATS.
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reply to post by The GUT


First of all, s&f for coming forward with your experience!
I am sure that took a lot of "guts" to be so open about it.

I only have one question/suggestion, and that is have you ever considered going to a hypnotist to take another look at this experience? If not, I would suggest it, as it might help to understand what happened a bit better now that you are much older and much wiser, unless it is something you want to forget instead of understand, which is totally understandable.

I think we have to realise that all our life is experienced through our senses and even if we logically think this did not happen, it as actually as real as if it did happen.

If we felt it or dreamed it - what is the difference? I know that some people like to say that unless they touched it, it is not real, but touch is only another sense. We are interpreting a 'blob of energy (the finger/hand) touching another blob of energy (our body). It is our brain which is doing the interpreting into feelings and our mind doing the receiving of the different energy 'blobs'.

I think we need to give ourselves permission to treat our experiences as real but not necessarily totally in the 3D.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

Gemini or Taurus? I'm a Taurean,so I'm curious to hear your theory
FBB.I suspect that I'm an abductee also,yet with all the strangeness I've had in my life,and still have,there's still this mantra in my mind:" But it can't be-i'm South African!" Since I first heard of this phenomenon,I've always thought of it as an "American thing" though I have read of people from many other countries who suspect,or straight out state that they're abductees,so to think being of a certain nationality would protect one is illogical
.

Anyway as I said I'd be interested to hear year theory,although I have to admit I don't think astrological signs have an influence in this area.

Originally posted by Raxoxane
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

Gemini or Taurus? I'm a Taurean,so I'm curious to hear your theory
FBB.I suspect that I'm an abductee also,yet with all the strangeness I've had in my life,and still have,there's still this mantra in my mind:" But it can't be-i'm South African!" Since I first heard of this phenomenon,I've always thought of it as an "American thing" though I have read of people from many other countries who suspect,or straight out state that they're abductees,so to think being of a certain nationality would protect one is illogical
.

Anyway as I said I'd be interested to hear year theory,although I have to admit I don't think astrological signs have an influence in this area.

I was insinuating that the manifestations he encountered occurred during the transition between Gemini, the more diplomatic pair of beings, and Taurus, the cow.

The abduction/encounter phenomena has some eccentric twists to it but often follows historical memes associated with the 'gods' who were often just representations of the planets and constellations. Their spiritual aspects usually were a force acting on consciousness or the experience of certain states of mind.

Pleadians are a part of the constellation Taurus and do I even need to mention the Dracos?

Hi The Gut,s+f for being brave enough to talk about this subject on a site like this,where most members scoff at the mere mention of this theory.I have some threads on here re the abduction theory,if I'm not mistaken you have posted on 1/2.If not,I will link them for you later in the day when I'm by my pc,in case you're interested.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

Ohh now I see what you were getting at-interesting! I did not know about the Draco being associated with the constellation Taurus.Thank you for the info:-)

Originally posted by Raxoxane
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

Ohh now I see what you were getting at-interesting! I did not know about the Draco being associated with the constellation Taurus.Thank you for the info:-)

Draco is a constellation.

I apologize for the confusion.

reply to post by The GUT


S&F for being brave enough to tell your story here. Aside from the clear trolls, some can be vicious here.

The "Abduction Experience" is not a simple "either or" phenomenon, IMHO. Some are astral, some are on the physical/material plane, some may be a combination of the two. There is life on other dimensions that can affect life on this physical plane.

Just because something was experienced in the mind or on the subtle planes does not mean the experience was not "real" or meaningful.

I'm not sure how much can be said on this site about drug experiences without being banned.

Is it possible you were exposed to substances used as part of MKUltra? I wouldn't rule it out.

I certainly hesitate to bring Whitley Strieber into this, but I am fairly compelled to after member corsair00 shared the following story with me and I had to take the information into account since Strieber and I spent time on the same Air Force Bases as brats.

Whitley's esoteric/occult background with the Gurdjieff Foundation must, also, be considered when pondering his "experiences."

One thing I realize I failed to make clear is that I didn't have a category to put this in for years. Nothing about it made me think "Aliens" at the time. Neither did I have any concept of the mystical.

When I read about the Hickson/Parker Pascagoula incident, however, I sensed that whatever it was, the phenomenon was probably related. At the time, I was skeptical about Hickson & Parker's experience as "real"--as I was mine--but I believed that they believed it.

Of course take the following information with a grain of salt, but here's corsair00's thread that has Whitley's podcast about mysterious and ominous events as an Air Force brat:

Whitley Strieber: "Alien Abductee" Admits to Childhood Mind Control Manipulation

I certainly have no memory, as Whitley Professes, of any school in Monterey, Mexico, but we did--as a family--visit Mexico a few times when we were stationed in Texas.

Whitley's Podcast:


One thing for sure that does seem to be true in the podcast is that the ominous and curious story known as The Finders was classified Top Secret and hushed up rather diabolically, and somewhat late in the game at that---after they found the pics of the adults and kids in robes gleefully killing goats! Weiiird that one. The Finders excerpt:

The Incident in Florida

The police had received an anonymous telephone call relative two well-dressed white men wearing suits and ties in Myers Park, (Tallahassee), apparently watching six dirty and unkempt children in the playground area. HOULIHAN and AMMERMAN were near a 1980 Blue Dodge van bearing Virginia license number XHW-557, the inside of which was later described as foul-smelling filled with maps, books, letters, with a mattress situated to the rear of the van which appeared as if it were used as a bed, and the overall appearance of the van gave the impression that all eight persons were living in it.

The children were covered with insect bites, were very dirty, most of the children were not wearing underwear and all of the children had not been bathed in many days. The men were arrested and charged with multiple counts of child abuse and lodged in the Leon County Jail. Once in custody the men were somewhat evasive in their answers to the police regarding the children and stated only that they both were the children’s teachers and that all were enroute to Mexico to establish a school for brilliant children.

www.brainsturbator.com...

Also see: Finders' Keepr

It should also be noted that Brooks AFB in San Antonio was the recipient of a large number of Project Paperclip scientists:

The Air Force’s School of Aviation Medicine (SAM) at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas conducted dozens of human radiation experiments during the Cold War, among them flash-blindness studies in connection with atomic weapons tests, and data-gathering for total-body irradiation studies conducted in Houston. (These have been the subject of prior briefing books.) Because of the extensive postwar recruiting of German scientists for the SAM and other U.S. defense installations, and in light of the central importance of the Nuremberg prosecutions to the Advisory Committee’s work, members of the staff have collected documentary evidence about Project Paperclip from the National Archives and Department of Defense records. (The departments of Justice and Defense, as well as the Archives staff, have provided substantial assistance in this effort.) 

The experiments for which Nazi investigators were tried included many related to aviation research. These were mainly high-altitude exposure studies, oxygen deprivation experiments, and cold studies related to air-sea rescue operations. This information about air crew hazards was important to both sides, and, of course, continued to be important to military organizations in the Cold War.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Does any of the above mean diddly in regards my experience? I certainly hesitate to think so, but I think I at least have to take such details into account.

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
I was insinuating that the manifestations he encountered occurred during the transition between Gemini, the more diplomatic pair of beings, and Taurus, the cow.

The abduction/encounter phenomena has some eccentric twists to it but often follows historical memes associated with the 'gods' who were often just representations of the planets and constellations. Their spiritual aspects usually were a force acting on consciousness or the experience of certain states of mind.

Pleadians are a part of the constellation Taurus and do I even need to mention the Dracos?

Like Raxoxane, I'm a Taurus, too. The Pleadians, eh? What the heck have I stepped into by sharing this FBB? Suddenly I'm not in Kansas anymore, and I have a craving for carrots before I step any deeper into this hole.

Originally posted by Raxoxane
Hi The Gut,s+f for being brave enough to talk about this subject on a site like this,where most members scoff at the mere mention of this theory.I have some threads on here re the abduction theory,if I'm not mistaken you have posted on 1/2.If not,I will link them for you later in the day when I'm by my pc,in case you're interested.

Thank you so much for the encouragement. It means a lot. Please do link your threads. I look forward to visiting and/or revisiting them.

Originally posted by The GUT
Does any of the above mean diddly in regards my experience?

I believe so...

Eustace Mullins said that all conspiracies are connected.

Project Paperclip, the Finders, MKUltra, "Aliens", etc. are ALL connected.

There is one super-conspiracy that ties all conspiracy theories together.

"After forty years of patient study of the crises which faces humanity, I arrived at a very simple conclusion-all conspiracies are Satanic! ~ Eustace Mullins

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by The GUT
Does any of the above mean diddly in regards my experience?

I believe so...

Eustace Mullins said that all conspiracies are connected.

Project Paperclip, the Finders, MKUltra, "Aliens", etc. are ALL connected.

There is one super-conspiracy that ties all conspiracy theories together.

"After forty years of patient study of the crises which faces humanity, I arrived at a very simple conclusion-all conspiracies are Satanic! ~ Eustace Mullins

There does seem to be a united plan spanning history and attempting to bring us to our knees, eh? Hard to see it any other way mi amigo.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Druscilla

 

Sorry, Dru . . .

While I recognize the merit in RULING OUT a list of possibilities . . . it does get weary-ing to me.

What is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo blinkin' difficult about facing this kind of phenomenon?

Sure, it's extremely jangly of the cosmologies of many people.

Sure, it's horrific to take it at face value.

Sure, it's troubling to try and cope and carry on normally given the truth of such things intruding into one's life.

etc. etc.

But at the end of the day--REALITY AND TRUTH are still REALITY AND TRUTH. And running from them does not help, in the long run.

At this point, after 51 years of reading and study . . . thousands of cases . . . incredible consistencies across age groups; socio-economic status; education levels; military rank; geographies all around the world etc. I just have had to accept a list of things as absolutely true to extremely likely to be mostly true.

A LOT of other things are still held loosely to see what is confirmed or disconfirmed in the future.

However, I no longer consider abductions an issue to be doubted. I just don't. There's just tooooo much data out there. Even the anecdotal information is FAR TOO DIFFICULT to explain OTHERWISE. Ockham's razor applies in behalf of such goings on, too. When OTHER explanations require far more mental gymnastics and outrageous assumptions to fit--then O's razor supports the UFO/critter hypothesis. And I think that's the case.

All the other explanations just persistently strike me as ENDLESS GROPING with 12 poles trying to "prove" ANYTHING but the truth!

Sigh.

It would seem you're playing the statistics game; too many instances of factor X across Y range not to equal a Z.

I'm not saying these data points you or anyone else relies on for their foundation of belief are without a doubt false, but, let's consider that there is a possibility that from a statistical perspective, since you're playing statistics, 100% falsity is possible
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I don't know what the probability for 100% falsity is, but, there's plenty historical precedent indicating 100% falsity.

For instance, we've religions like the Ancient Egyptian polytheistic faith that ranged over thousands of years with believers numbering in the Billions over time. Can Billions of people be wrong?
Yes.
We've a fair number of museums bursting with artifacts that would strongly indicate that no one actually took any of their wealth and toys into some metaphysical beyond place after death.
Yet, were we to have time travel, we'd have access to Billions of people that could attest to the TRUTH and REALITY of the gods.

Truth and Reality as perceived by many are matters of perspective. If more people were rational, then, truth would always be self evident and no one would disagree on anything ever.

Occam's razor is often brought up and paraded around as some undeniable truth indicating that the simplest answer is aliens, thus it must be aliens.
Fact is, if Billions of dead and gone ancient Egyptians can believe in something imaginary, the same can apply to modern mankind and aliens regardless the stories, personalities telling the stories and whatever other evidence might be in attendance.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Fromabove

 

CONGRATS on your excellent response to the critters.

Nephilim INDEED. Exactly right.

Though the term has some ambiguity.

Some assert it refers to the halfbreed/hybrid fallen angel/human offspring.

Others insist it refers only to the fallen angels themselves.

Regardless--great to be free of them.

I think you are right about the mark(s) on your body. Have any X-Rays ever shown any implants?

CONGRATS in proving yet again that referencing your belonging to Yeshua was effective against the Nephilim.

Thanks for sharing.

After the blemish disappeared it never came back and left no marks. I was never bothered by the presence after that.

Sometimes a lot of kinds of communication can happen without words as if knowledge itself is given back and forth, What I could understand about them was that, yes, they were Nephilim but that they were not like the ones before the great flood. They were created after that but have been a race for a very long time. That they work together with other more powerful beings that seem to guide and direct them as if they watch over them. Humans also work together with them but more so for power and privilege, and to attempt to gain knowledge and technology.

I could sense that they are trying to find a way to claim the Earth and rule over it openly as their own and see us as in their way. They don't like us or care about us in any way. They only care about themselves and their more powerful leaders. They believe that they are superior to us in many ways. They know the only thing preventing them from coming out from the shadows and enslaving humanity is the most powerful being of all, God. yet they are looking for legal loopholes in order to make their claim valid. This is why they "mingle themselves together with the seed of mankind" (Daniel 2:43). If they are part human they think they can rule the earth (Genesis 1:28). In order to have the legal right to rule you have to stay within the law.

In any case, they are evil by nature and self willed by character. They lie, steal, deceive, conceal, operate in darkness and shadows, torment, and inflict pain on their captive victims.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Fromabove

 

INDEED.

The association between rh negative and the critters has often been mentioned.

Do you have ANY other 'high strangeness' recollections? Any other family members?

The rh positive is an indication of a total and complete Earth origin. The rh negative, especially with O blood type is indicating of some genetic design or interference, or even trans non-terrestrial race interaction. Some even say that they are not really human at all but are human like in comparison. Their blood can be transfused to any other blood, but they can only be transfused with their own blood. Rh negative Women impregnated by a rh positive man will reject it as foreign and it will die. Her immune system will kill it. Although science has found a way to cross the species barrier. Those with A, AB, B blood with negative factors are some of the results of cross breeding.

No other family members have had experiences to my knowledge although one time my brother and I were perused by a light on a Maine highway in 1976 after I flashed a flashlight at it.

reply to post by The GUT



This isn''t a dream as such, it's a series of inter-woven false memories that manifest in support of dream experiance, would be the best way i could describe it.


An example of such is often seen with people who develop seeming dream 'conciousness', in that they also begin to 'remember' times when as a child they would fly down the stairs and such in the dead of night, those memories aren't real, but they serve to reinforce and attempt to make sense of the current experiances.


There are examples were i have dreamt of someone who has died, and in the morning awoken with a whole series of 'memories' of having encoutered and spoken with that person in the period following his death, there is no way to distinguish these from memories that occured in real life.


My consideration would be then that at some point you awoke with an interwoven bundle of memories that presented themselves in the form of a case for you encountering such creatures, even under hypnosis those memories could not be dispelled.

The question then would be when did you receive this bundle, it was unlikely to have been at 6, like i mentioned often the memories are suggested for the formative years to give a sense of deep roots within self understanding, it depends then how far back you could trace actively being concerned and motivated by what you felt you had experienced.

I will add that this is not internal self delusion, that the archetypes that manifest are aspects of a greater spiritual reality, that the thought patterns they have woven serve a purpose.