What is the Greatest Truth?

Originally posted by earthling42
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

With, appearing appearance, you mean thoughts?

By 'appearance' - I mean any appearance, including thought and sensation as well as color and sound - all that appears

This is the most amazing video that can help explain the truth of what is actually happening.

reply to post by Akragon


Iv got through half the new testament but think differently, you must try and understand that the bible was wrote in parables so that only those that have (open eyes) good understanding will see the truth.

I've read part of the quran, the piby bible(rasta bible) and the kabbalah. But from what I understand is that, the etheric/Soul is made up of the physical body and the mental body. When you operate, with your consciousness/awareness centered in the physical body, the etheric will be aligned with the physical body aiding it, helping it move, like if your mental is doing different to what the physical is doing, like when you put the spoon in the bin and yoghurt in the sink. Any time you Imagine a voice, feeling, or picture, you are using the etheric ears, body and eyes, but when you are able to shift your consciousness you will open your third eye. you also have another body called the astral

As I said the Etheric is physical and mental, so you leave your body, with will/spirit, what ever you want to call it, ITS IS JUST A CONCEPT/LABEL. Separating the ethereal from the flesh, allowing you to find your truth self, see through reality illusions and harness the universal forces in order to become more God like.

Its mind over matter in ancient scripture.

It basically teaches you that this ethereal body is Christ, the son of god. = When used the way god intended/properly.

All religions are the same, Allah, is Christian god/Yahweh/ and Mohammed -Not correct spelling/ is the Jesus Christ. I use to dismiss the bible for its lack of sense and simplicity. But when you read it with the mind, for it is the mind that sees, the eyes read data, the minds processes. Picture yourself in a third person view in your head, when you do this, you are seeing your etheric body through the astral eyes.

It all says. Do throw your pearls before swine, less they trample them and rend you. This means don't give knowledge to those who aren't worthy of it, encase they misunderstand/interpret and use it against, or with evil.

Everything limited is ruled by the limited. So why is everything tangible, not go ruled by the intangible.

Thy will be do on earth as it is in heaven.

What goes up, must come down.

What goes around comes around.

Becareful what you wish for.

In snail shells, the PATTERN spirals out, showing its starts from with in and flows out, when you manage to control your ethereal body, you will have opened your third eye.

Its known as astral projection, where you remove the spirit from the body before you die in order to live eternally.

This is what every religious book holds but it also holds the truth on all the universal forces of like attracts like and how to use your mind properly, its a very complicated version of karma.

This Verse tells of the hidden truth. They were scared that if the majority knew this knowledge, they would interpret it and use it for great evil, so they hid it.

Mathew 13 - Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. 17 For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

The bible is a recipe of how to govern the mind, but it is for only some to understand, those that look find, those that listen will hear. Such a simple thing is that i you don't think about your wife, you will divorce her and she won't divorce you, she gets with another man, you don't care but she thinks about you alot, and the other man thinks about the ex wife, so the relationship will never be forfilling causing adultery. Wasting time, energy, and creating false love, casting a shadow. Its also sats lust is adultery, because there isnt enough lust in love, so you will cheat, also adultery is caused by joing the astral bodys/ holy ghosts together/sex and creating a child, by combing the holy ghost and forsaking that child. As below:

“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


Love thy neighbour is karma, from the Ma'at, Egyptian religion came christianity.
Blasphemy = Man thinking he is better than mind.
Possesion = Other people controling you with emotions, because you are neither good or bad technically so you should be able to control the out come of each event with pure logic but you allow emotions to stop you getting what your minds really wants, also is addictions.
Temptation is when you strive from the path of god, by not having faith in him, so you follow the devil/bad thoughts.

The meaning and truth to life is that, you are god inside, you forgot but you will go back home. Everything is just a belief. But when this life ends, if your ethereal is not strong enough to control the astral body, when you die you will be stripped of your awareness and you will not live immortally, but instead become trapped and reincarnate.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


So you agree that the Mother is missing from the Trinity? Why do you think that is?

The shadow that you do not know is the Mother, it is the 3D shadow of our 4D selves. Just as a 3D object casts a 2D shadow, our 4D selves cast the 3D shadow of the universe. I personally believe that the Holy Spirit and the Father are one in the same, they just used it twice in order to leave the Mother out in order to profit off of her.

They have made our Mother the whore that willfully gives everything she has away by writing her name out of the book of life.

But this is a topic for another thread. Thanks for answering my question.

the greatest truth is we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

reply to post by Akragon


There are many in my view. One stands out for this day and age.

"The love of money, is the root of all evil".

SnF

reply to post by Akragon


The existence of all things that have ever existed and ever will.

Itsnowagain does being "awareness" fit in with being the EnochWasRight "3 pronged" atom of consciousness?

All this conceptual truth is confusing me (I'll add another I know nothing).

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Akragon

 

There are many in my view. One stands out for this day and age.

"The love of money, is the root of all evil".

SnF

edit on 8-7-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

And the need of money is the route of all stress.

reply to post by Akragon


The greatest truth that I've come to realize?

"There is no truth that will not change."



~ Wandering Scribe

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by EA006

 

Though I would challenge anyone to prove love isn't truth...

Ancient Greek has four distinct words for love, do they all equal truth? I think not.

The words "love" and "truth" are problematic for me, I prefer to speak of friendship instead. In doing so, I find that the ideas of love and truth are understood for what they are, but without the confusion of dogma, doctrine, or theology. Everyone knows what friendship is because we've all experienced it, but have we applied ourselves to it? That is the question one should be asking.

"Friendship need not be addresses to anyone in particular. Just be friendly. Rather than creating friendships, create friendliness. Let it become a quality of your being, a climate that surrounds you, so you are friendly with whosoever you come in contact with. This whole existence has to be befriended! And if you can befriend existence, existence will befriend you a thousand fold. It will return to you in the same coin, but multiplied. It will echo you."

-Swami Chaitanya Keerti
(The editor of Osho World)

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

So you agree that the Mother is missing from the Trinity? Why do you think that is?

The shadow that you do not know is the Mother, it is the 3D shadow of our 4D selves. Just as a 3D object casts a 2D shadow, our 4D selves cast the 3D shadow of the universe. I personally believe that the Holy Spirit and the Father are one in the same, they just used it twice in order to leave the Mother out in order to profit off of her.

They have made our Mother the whore that willfully gives everything she has away by writing her name out of the book of life.

But this is a topic for another thread.

Thanks for answering my question.

I did a thread on the dimensional nature of shadows here: We are the shadows we cast... I understand what you are saying in this. If we go to the Gnostic view, Sophia is the Spirit of Wisdom that was involved into the material world by mistake. According to the Gnostics, it was an error. From the Bible, the obvious choice would be the Holy Spirit as the female. If we go by the timeline of the Trinity by ages, the Holy Spirit would be the next to rise to office.

Age 1 - 2000 years - Adam to Abraham (Age of the Father)

Age 2 - 2000 years - Issac to Jesus (Age of the Son)

Age 3 - 2000 years - Jesus to Today (Age of the Holy Spirit)

Day of the Lord - 1000 years (Age of the Trinity in Man)

In Genesis 6, God gives the timetable:

6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

The book of Jubilees shows us that a grand jubilee is 50 years. 120 X 50 = 6000. In the Hebrew language, the OX is the Father. The Son is the Shepherd. Can I draw a comparison from Greek culture and myths that gives us a clue?

From Wikipedia (Helios) – “You will now come to the Thrinacian island, and here you will see many herds of cattle and flocks of sheep belonging to the sun-god. There will be seven herds of cattle and seven flocks of sheep, with fifty heads in each flock.”

This story is about a ship that comes to the island of Thrinacian. It is forced to stop over and cannot leave until the weather clears. There are cattle and sheep there and the men are tempted to eat them. When they do eat them, Helios appeals to Zeus for what had taken place. What parallel can we glean from this?

Genesis 1 is the first creation of man by God (OX). It lasts 7 days. In Genesis 2, we have the LORD creating the material world that Adam and Eve fall into. Again, this then lasts for an additional 7 days. The first seven is the OX herd and the second seven are the Sheep. 50 heads in each flock is the division between 120 and 50. Why do we see this story in epic literature?

Enoch One tells us. Remember, the story of Enoch is about watchers coming down to Earth, making children with the daughters of men (Genesis 6), then eating mankind in the end. God sends the flood to remake the Earth. What impression did this make on the minds of Ancient mankind and what were they writing about in the literature?

Enoch One

3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."

The mystery schools have one worthless version. The Bible preserves the true version in parable. The idea of the sun god is the worthless pagan mystery. The version of the true God, beyond the heavens (Deuteronomy 4:19), is the true story. Both contain images of the other. Only one is true. Go back to my first post on Hydrogen. God is beyond this starting gate of the stars. The powers and principalities of the Heavens are pretenders to this throne. Enoch shows us this thread of truth.

Deuteronomy 4

19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

The heavens are our inheritance. Egypt (Earth) is our refinery. The Spirit is involved here for a reason. It's no accident. The Son is the willing Shepherd. The Cross is the ability to cross from the waters of involution (Baptism) to new life (Evolution).

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Akragon

 

"The love of money, is the root of all evil".

Actually the verse reads... "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." 1Timothy 6:10

This passage from the Bible is not describing why there is evil in the world, rather it explains one of the main reasons that some Christian are lead astray and lose their faith. Judas Iscariot is one such example and reading this verse one can not help but think of him. He is infamously known for his kiss and betrayal of Jesus to the hands of the chief Sanhedrin priests in exchange for a payment of thirty silver coins. Did Judas Iscariot die by hanging (Matthew 27:5) or did he die by falling and bursting open (Acts 1:18)? Never mind that, the point is this: "the love of money" can corrupt even the most religious zealot and cause them to betray their Christian moral vales.

From a Buddhist perspective, however, the distinction between greed and desire is artificial. To want passionately is a hindrance and a poison, whether one "deserves" the thing wanted or not. Our culture doesn't attach a moral judgment to desire. On the contrary, desire in the romantic sense is celebrated in music, art and literature. Because of this, our culture implicitly values desire, we are therefore unprepared for its dangers.

To live is to want.

When we are hungry, we want food. When we are tired, we want rest. We want the company of friends and loved ones. There is even the paradox of wanting enlightenment. Buddhism doesn't ask us to renounce companionship or the things we need to live. But it's fair to say that in Buddhism, greed is not good. Greed is one of the Three Poisons that lead to evil (akusala) and that bind us to suffering (dukkha). The challenge is to distinguish between what is wholesome -- taking care of our physical and psychological needs -- and what is unwholesome.

In Buddhism, more than one Pali or Sanskrit word is translated as "greed" or "desire." When we speak of the greed of the Three Poisons, the word for "greed" is lobha. This is an attraction to something that we think will gratify us. Related to greed is upadana, or clinging. More specifically, upadana are attachments that cause us to remain wandering in samsara, bound to birth and rebirth. There are four main types of upadana -- attachment to senses, attachment to views, attachment to rites and rituals, and attachment to a belief in a permanent self.

We don't have to run screaming from all of life's pleasures. As practice matures, we learn to distinguish between the wholesome and the unwholesome -- what supports our practice and what hinders it. This in itself is practice, and the only road to spiritual attainment.

Is Money Evil?

Money is just information, a way we measure what we trade, nothing of value in itself. And we can make it ourselves, to work as a complement to conventional money. It is just a matter of design. You might say money is a conspiracy. Money is where two or more ‘conspire’ (or ‘breath’ life into an idea) and agree on what their form of money will be. This only becomes an evil conspiracy when it is forced on people (like with “legal tender” laws). It is evil because it then become a false authority, a means of control, a way to enslave with debt.

Evil = False Authority

Virgil said, “Tu Ne Cede Malis,” which translates: “do not give in to evil.” One might ask, “What is evil?” And the answer can be given in two word: FALSE AUTHORITY, so Virgil was saying do not give into false authority. You are the author of your future, and if you allow someone to author your future you're under their false authority. This is what evil is, and this is why the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. In effect people who love false authority are under a form of mind control called greed. Money is the means (the mind control method) by which evil leaders (false authorities) extract their taxes, steal your labor, reduce your wealth, control the society, and bring their own brand of order out of the chaos. Virgil also added, “…but proceed ever more boldly against it!” The best way to do that is to embrace an honest money system that is unhinged from false authority, like bitcoin.

jberwick9.squarespace.com...

Originally posted by wasaka

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by EA006

 

Though I would challenge anyone to prove love isn't truth...

Ancient Greek has four distinct words for love, do they all equal truth? I think not.

The words "love" and "truth" are problematic for me, I prefer to speak of friendship instead. In doing so, I find that the ideas of love and truth are understood for what they are, but without the confusion of dogma, doctrine, or theology. Everyone knows what friendship is because we've all experienced it, but have we applied ourselves to it? That is the question one should be asking.

"Friendship need not be addresses to anyone in particular. Just be friendly. Rather than creating friendships, create friendliness. Let it become a quality of your being, a climate that surrounds you, so you are friendly with whosoever you come in contact with. This whole existence has to be befriended! And if you can befriend existence, existence will befriend you a thousand fold. It will return to you in the same coin, but multiplied. It will echo you."

-Swami Chaitanya Keerti
(The editor of Osho World)

In Hebrew, TRUTH is Aleph Mem Tav. The beginning (Alpha / Aleph) and the End (Tav / Omega). In the middle, we have the waters of life (Mem). Read my last post and consider baptism in the waters of life as our involution and evolution. Truth is the time we spend in the water, surrounded by the beginning and end (Christ). The Shepherd leads us through the refinery, across the Jordan (Waters of life) and to the promised land of a new Heavens and Earth.

Read all of my posts in this thread. Truth resides in the three-fold strand that we gain with our new body. The fallen animal body of two strands we have now will be replaced with a body of three strands of DNA. The blood of Christ is the key. What is in the blood? What body did we have before we were placed in the Genesis 2 creation with the Shepherd? What body do we regain when we return to the Genesis 1 paradise? Why does Greek tragedy parallel this fall? Why does the Bible show our return? The truth is in the waters of life.

Back to Greek and Latin:

Amn is lamb
Amni is the river of life
Amnio is the bowl that catches the blood of the sacrifice
Amnion is the sac covering the womb
Amniotic fluid is the waters of the womb
Amnesia is the condition of the waters
Amnesty is the forgiveness from the cleansing of the waters

To receive the cleansing, we must put out the fire with the water. Baptism is the purpose of repentance. I have shown this now with Greek, Latin, the Bible and English. English is the East (Hebrew 22 letter) and West (24 letters) combination. Together, we have 46 letters. How many chormosomes are there? When the body is rendered from both, do we have a mind that is both concrete (East) and abstract (West)? What is the source of this DNA?

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

John is Elijah, the witness to the light and the one that controls the water. Read 1 Kings 17. Then read Matthew 3. John is Elijah. Both chapters outline involution and evolution as a means to escape the coming wrath of fire. You and I are the Dew and Rain of 1 Kings 17.

Isaiah 26

19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.
20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.

You must be born again. Did you see the morning Dew from Isaiah 26 and 1 Kings 17?

After long and thoughtful consideration i think i have the ultimate "truth" that all living people can objectify. It feels better after a bowel movement then before.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


A room full of seekers, and a guru who answers questions.
An answer sounds great and people have learned something new, now they are thinking about how to put it in practise.
Or the answer is not satisfying enough and the search goes on, seeking other guru's for answers.
A wise individual would probably say, i have nothing to teach you, no answers.
Why? descriptions are not the actual, unless one finds it out for oneself, one will be unable to understand.
It has not come through spiritual striving, but from someone else and it is beleived to be true, adopted from her as an authority because it is believed she knows.

It is the same trap all over again.

We are gifted with senses, so why must we be taught about something which thought has created.
I'm not emptyness, i'm a human being, living in an utter darkened world, in which thoughts reign.

Lucky for all of us, food is appearing also so we can have the sensation of joy while eating.

reply to post by Akragon



The “greatest truth” would have to be that which helps you to find other truths. That would be the most highest, most prevalent truth IMO…

The search for truth in chess, can have very similar parallels, to that in life. Here are some interesting chess quotes from famous world chess champions about truth.

Truth derives its strength not so much from itself as from the brilliant contrast it makes with what is only apparently true. This applies especially to Chess, where it is often found that the profoundest moves do not much startle the imagination. - Emanuel Lasker

No fantasy, however rich, no technique, however masterly, no penetration into the psychology of the opponent, however deep, can make a chess game a work of art, if these qualities do not lead to the main goal - the search for truth. - Vasily Smyslov

Unfortunately, many regard the critic as an enemy, instead of seeing him as a guide to the truth … - Wilhelm Steinitz

An ATS poster once told me, that “truth is understanding.” And at first I didn’t really know what to make of it, but after some deep contemplation, I realized it was true (no pun intended). And it’s the same with how one finds the truth in chess, or any other endeavor; one takes ideas, experience, knowledge and principles etc… and then puts them together, to form ones understanding of the position/problem, and only then can the truth be reached.

So the greatest truth in my opinion is that…

Truth is Understanding…

And all knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding, comes from the eternal Spirit of God…

Proverbs 9:10
Flowing/Receiving in/the Spirit of God is the beginning of Wisdom…And the knowledge of the Holy One is Understanding…

- JC

Truth is relative to the perspective of ignorance!

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

the five senses

Senses, are what all living things have. Even plants, trees and microbes.

Some animals even have senses, that are way cooler and more complex, the we can imagine.

However, we got to learn to define our selves, as an individual, and experience what it's like to be aware of all living things, and understand how and why we are what we are, and we are separated from animals. We can control our environments, and are able to manipulate the world we live in.

However...

With great power comes great responsibility.

.Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. - Romans 1: 19-25

The first time, we were aware of our place in the world, but we became arrogant and started to think we were gos our selves.

It seems, that this time, we have been granted the opportunity to learn, what our place is in the universe, but this time we need to find our own way, to get to our rightful place, as our "creator"intended for us. But now without knowing how and why we are what we are are and where we are heading.
Maybe the lesson we have to learn is that we aren't gods, but only humble humans, within the presence of God.

Or maybe we simply turn to maggot food, cause a mass extinction, screw up the Earth so bad it need 10 million years, to recover from the damage we caused and end up as a genetic failure, that even destroyed it's own place to live.
Never ever being found, seen or heard from, by other intelligent life, that might follow up, or visit Earth from another world..

Who knows ? The truth isn't anywhere near our reach I think.

reply to post by dave_welch

And the need of money is the route of all stress.

Point taken.

reply to post by wasaka

For the love of money is the root of all evil

King James Bible Cambridge version

You can't change what the passage is telling us. An absolute truth. Sorry !

reply to post by earthling42

Originally posted by earthling42
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

A room full of seekers, and a guru who answers questions.
An answer sounds great and people have learned something new, now they are thinking about how to put it in practise.

Lisa starts off with the question - What is it that the seeker is looking for? What does the seeker want?
Can you tell me what something new did you (or anyone in the room listening to her) learn? And what practices did she advise?