Planet prison, a nightmare made reality!

Cash payments made on London buses are to be phased out later this year by Transport for London, a Freedom of Information request has revealed.

Passengers will no longer be able to pay cash to the driver directly.

So they now want to force those who don't already have an Oyster card to get one. First they enticed you to get one by offering a discounted fair now they are going to make you get one.....why?

So they can track you allover the damn place that's why!

All the journeys you make using these cards is logged and can be later referenced to see your movements. I would not be surprised if they have programs to "listen" for selected users ie using your card can trigger a listening program to notify them that you are in a given area.

Couple this with long range cctv facial recognition software and they can track you even if your not carrying a mobile phone with you.

I'm sure by now most of you realise they have turned your mobile phones into tracking devices, bugs and data collection sensors.

Some of you probably think that because you have a pay as you go mobile that your exempt, not true chances are that you make and receive most of your phone calls whilst at home. They have software that can automatically register a phone to an address based on usage!

Add this to prism collecting all your emails and website viewing preferences and short of sticking a chip in your neck its looking like we are on planet prison

I'm sure you can still buy pre paid tickets ie a bus pass. Your reading too much into this. Cant realy imagine data on bus travel around London will be much use to anyone.

reply to post by Redarguo


Once you have an Oyster card you are hardly still going to bay cash to travel via train/tube, its a step to track you on all public transport not just via bus

Transport for London (TfL) only holds the last eight weeks of journey data pertaining to individual customers’ accounts. We only hold eight weeks of journey data because we feel that this was sufficient for our needs and does not infringe on customers’ rights of privacy. At the end of the eight week period, the travel information recorded against an individual Oyster card is permanently disassociated from it and can no longer be linked to either the card or the customer concerned.

Does TfL receive requests from the police for disclosure of information about the use of individual Oyster cards?

Yes. All police requests for Oyster card information are co-ordinated by a specialist request handling team within TfL, which assesses the validity of each request.

www.whatdotheyknow.com...

reply to post by LUXUS


Who exactly are they tracking if you buy it anonymously?
Second, I fully understand not accepting cash on buses.
Anything that helps people get into a bus and sit down is welcome.

reply to post by Nevertheless


Same as I said about pay as you go phones, most people make a journey regularly and local bus/train or tube station can be easily assigned to a card. Soon they will make registration compulsory also, monthly card registration is already compulsory I have read.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Cash payments made on London buses are to be phased out later this year by Transport for London, a Freedom of Information request has revealed.

Passengers will no longer be able to pay cash to the driver directly.

So they now want to force those who don't already have an Oyster card to get one. First they enticed you to get one by offering a discounted fair now they are going to make you get one.....why?

So they can track you allover the damn place that's why!

All the journeys you make using these cards is logged and can be later referenced to see your movements. I would not be surprised if they have programs to "listen" for selected users ie using your card can trigger a listening program to notify them that you are in a given area.

Couple this with long range cctv facial recognition software and they can track you even if your not carrying a mobile phone with you.

I'm sure by now most of you realise they have turned your mobile phones into tracking devices, bugs and data collection sensors.

Some of you probably think that because you have a pay as you go mobile that your exempt, not true chances are that you make and receive most of your phone calls whilst at home. They have software that can automatically register a phone to an address based on usage!

Add this to prism collecting all your emails and website viewing preferences and short of sticking a chip in your neck its looking like we are on planet prison

edit on 3-7-2013 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

if andy john bought a $50 oystercard and then traded it with a stranger (tom) for their $50 card, that would probably really screw up their oyster tracking lol. every week or maybe even every day, trading with a complete stranger. theyll have oyster card tracking, but cctv wont be able to verify the owner's presence..

andy appears to have gone to bath for the day, when andy is actually at work.

This wouldn't work, I borrow Oyster Cards all the time no questions asked. It's far more likely to be used to improve the services by allowing monitoring of where people are traveling from and to.

reply to post by bastion


but if i remember correctly, a one month oyster card requires registration, so that the owner is known. ppl who use oyster rarely just get 1day tickets etc. it's just easier to get at least a full month. they can merge this information with the card serial number and track it's whereabouts, and ultimately yours.

it's more than metadata lol

reply to post by LUXUS


Registering Oyster cards is optional not mandatory (I live and work in London). Your thread is wrong.

Originally posted by DPrice
reply to post by LUXUS

 

Registering Oyster cards is optional not mandatory (I live and work in London). Your thread is wrong.

i believe this is complete

G18 Do I need to fill in a form or register my Oyster card?

No, registration is voluntary, except when you want to add a discount to the card or buy a ticket that is valid for one month or longer. Registration also gives you free protection against loss or theft. You can register at a Tube station ticket office or online at tfl.gov.uk/oyster Opens in new window. Also see G25 below.

source: oystercard.webege.com...

can you confirm that you can buy an oyster card for one month or longer and not still be required to register your identity?

reply to post by filledcup


I can walk into the shop at the top of my road and pay as much onto the ticket as I like, it's only if you pay online you have to register just like every other paid service. The government isn't tracking people through their normal lives I doubt they particularly care.

reply to post by DPrice


well fair enough. i havent been to england in over 5 years. i cant completely remember. but i always thought oyster cards were traceable back to the owner. wouldnt someone placing 100+ quid on an oyster be interested to register in case of loss or theft? so basically for security, u must submit yourself to tracking. that's the way it always was i guess.


if a man works in the transport system where the activities of these cards are logged as they pass through gates.. he could easily convince his wife to register and in so doing can track her every move through the transport system using the card. not saying its right or wrong. just noting the possibility.

Originally posted by filledcup
reply to post by DPrice

 

if a man works in the transport system where the activities of these cards are logged as they pass through gates.. he could easily convince his wife to register and in so doing can track her every move through the transport system using the card. not saying its right or wrong. just noting the possibility.

It would pretty much be the a one of scenario of a disturbed husband. Tracking peoples transport by bus is pretty limited in what it can tell you, ie buses go to set destinations.

reply to post by Redarguo


i wouldnt say it's limited. if i use an oyster to a certain destination by bus.. wouldnt i have to then use the oyster to return home? this is logged by the bus and the network. he shall see his wife's departures and arrivals at destinations and effectively be able to track her whereabouts at any given time within the whole of london. she could not sneak off to bristol without him knowing. while there he can see what bus she used, it's destination and which bus she uses to return to the train system and ultimately back home. this will also provide deatils of her time spent in locations before using the oystercard for another journey.

the rest is filled in through confirmation by cctv

reply to post by filledcup


I've not had to register one before and have put as much money as I wanted on them - besides, if they collected that kind of data all it would show is when/where the card was last used, not who by or where they live/there actual destination is.

If this was a surveillance system all someone would need to do to dupe it is get off a stop early or share a card amongst friends/family. It simply wouldn't work.

If it was useless for tracking purposes or not used for tracking purposes why would there be a department in TFL that's purpose is solely to assist the authoritys with tracking information as stated by TFL themselves.

If I went from Bus station A to bus station B and then from tube station C to destination D every day at the same time (as most people do) software can easily pickup patterns and predict that Oyster card 2168 is owned by a person who lives within walking distance of Bus station A....and that's exactly why the police use this information! Actually you can go one step further and say if you go to bus station A between the hours of x an y the chances of meeting oyster card user 2168 is 80%




Couple this with phone tracking and cctv facial recognition and link this to super computers and connections can easily be established.

Like I said some people who use pay as you go don't know that their phones can automatically registered to an address based on use.

reply to post by bastion


well i should hope that you do not loose your oystercard while unregistered with 500 quid on it.. LOL

and i agree that once unregistered there is only so much that they can track, but there are other avenues from which they can compile data as well

the thing is.. registration may not be mandatory now as you have confirmed. but what if it is made to be later on?

and well, maybe it is extremely difficult to institute such a monitoring network. but you have to ask yourself.. "will that stop them from trying"