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reply to post by jmdewey60
Text You are going by an old (now known to be baseless) theory to date the writing of Revelation. Today most New Testament scholars place it as the earliest book that is in the NT.
That was what I was explaining in my other post.
If everything in your life is either parables or symbols then tell me what 2nd Corinthians 15:44 means.
We only know for sure what the Bible tells us explicitly , and it doesn't go into the afterlife except that we are resurrected, like I already said. You are trying to extract more out of it than there is by treating it like it is a puzzle where if you are clever enough, you can figure it out.
What does that mean? Another parable or symbol? When your body dies then tell me if anything is left of what I am right now. Is there any consciousness or spiritual body after I die or is that another symbol?
I use what is now being called the Bible Hub. For example, the verse that you quoted, go to, biblehub.com...
By the way, where can I get all of your knowledge of whoever taught you and which bible do I use to check out all of this symbolic understanding that you have? You have yet to tell me your source of your knowing all of these symbols.
You could not be more wrong..
reply to post by jmdewey60
Text How could Isaiah agree with 2 Peter? There is no record of 2 Peter ever being mentioned or quoted before the third century.
That would be a guess by fundamentalists who are figuring out when Peter probably died.
2nd Peter was written about AD 68 -- Not the third century as you have been taught.
2 Peter only uses a couple of the same words. 2 Peter does not quote Isaiah and say, "I agree with Isaiah".
The agreement was through prophecy on Isaiah's part. Isaiah prophesied and Peter agreed with his premise.
reply to post by jmdewey60
Text You are just making this up. The OT knew three heavens and the NT knows seven. Read, Lord of the Cosmos: Mithras, Paul, and the Gospel of Mark, by Michael Patella OSB.
reply to post by jmdewey60
Text Hello, read the book, if you want to know. I gave you the title and author. It's not an expensive book, you can get the paperback version from Amazon for like $13.
Originally posted by jammybunn
Ok by way of background, I was brought up in a religious household, my family remain church going folk whilst I do not, I live my life my way, believe im a good person etc and that the dos and donts in the bible dont really fit in with how i like to enjoy my life.
Anywho, I was at my dads on a recent trip home and he stuck a DVD on of a guy who claims to have had an outer body experience in hell (23 minutes in hell) and part of it he was saying how he "discussed" his religion with a talk show host (who he won over in terms of his questioning). However, this lead me to ask a theoretical question of my dad (which id not thought of previously) who couldnt answer and is merely one of interest to me. I can understand the theory of intelligent design given the complexity of our universe and also acknowledge evolution ( I do not accept that these are 2 mutually exclusive theories as why could one not create a species which went on to evolve in its changing habitat but thats another topic.)
My question to the Christian believers on this site (yes I know atheistic views so I dont wish to draw on the same old "invisible man in the sky yadda yadda" response) If, as is preached, the only way to God is through his son Jesus, who died on the cross, at circa 33AD........ how did the likes of Moses, Noah, Abraham etc who lived hundreds/thousands of years before Christ arrived, make it to heaven?? seriously this means either there was a second way (and so what was it/why n/a now?) or did they linger in pergatory which i dont recall ever hearing about in the non Catholic churches i attended as a child.
Discuss
Originally posted by Seede
reply to post by jmdewey60
Text Hello, read the book, if you want to know. I gave you the title and author. It's not an expensive book, you can get the paperback version from Amazon for like $13.
@ jmdewey60
My question was ---
Where can I find (in the bible) that the NT knows seven heavens? Would you please give me the source?
Where can I find (in the bible) that the old testament knows three heavens. Would you also give that source?
You gave an incomplete and rude answer. My question still remains
Where (in the bible) does it say that the OT informs us of three heavens and the NT informs us of seven heavens????? I did not ask you for the source from any one else except the Bible. Can you back what you stated without another spiel of symbols or parables???
You made the statement as this being in the bible. Which bible are you talking about? Please reply in plain English so that I can verify your source.
Here's what I said earlier:
You made the statement as this being in the bible. Which bible are you talking about? Please reply in plain English so that I can verify your source.
My question to the Christian believers on this site (yes I know atheistic views so I dont wish to draw on the same old "invisible man in the sky yadda yadda" response) If, as is preached, the only way to God is through his son Jesus, who died on the cross, at circa 33AD........ how did the likes of Moses, Noah, Abraham etc who lived hundreds/thousands of years before Christ arrived, make it to heaven?? seriously this means either there was a second way (and so what was it/why n/a now?) or did they linger in pergatory which i dont recall ever hearing about in the non Catholic churches i attended as a child.
reply to post by jmdewey60
Text "You are just making this up. The OT knew three heavens and the NT knows seven. Read, Lord of the Cosmos: Mithras, Paul, and the Gospel of Mark, by Michael Patella OSB." That was made in response to your statement: ". . . the third heaven in which it is expanding into is totally unknown to them."
Maybe to you but obviously not to me, otherwise I wouldn't have said that.
That is absolutely nonsense to give an answer such as that.
Text Maybe to you but obviously not to me, otherwise I wouldn't have said that. I don't think that there are single verses, one in each testament, saying how many heavens they thought there were. You have someone with a thesis who wrote it out, which is an analysis of the texts to argue his conclusion. This is how a scholar learns things, by taking advantage of work by someone who had specialized in a particular subject.