Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

reply to post by Bilk22

It's why I believe they orchestrated this release. It places further controls on everyone (we're being watched so better be careful what you say) - well anyone that's paying attention will understand this. Most of the Jersey Shore crowd will have no clue about any of this and that's a good portion of the population. However eventually they'll get it too. Happened in Germany, Russia and other places at various points in history.

Absolutely chilling, and yes, a great means of control.

A read posts on quite a few forums dealing with a variety of different interests, from conspiracies, political, and hobbies. This person and more importantly this topic has exploded on all of them.

In regards to our right to privacy and freedom from tyranny, about 90% of the people, regardless of political persuasion all have supported and agreed with what Edward has done and is saying.

The government knows this as well I am sure, and if they continue in the same direction they are headed, they are going against the majority of the people's will in this country.

It does not matter at this juncture what those in the government think, but going against what the people support is only verifying to them how out of control and tyrannical our government has become.

If they can't catch terrorists without infringing on other people's rights to privacy, then it is their problem because the people have spoken and I am sure many are willing to take that small chance that something could happen to them.

The alternative of a creeping and abusive government is much more dangerous with a greater chance of many being effected rather than the few from a terrorist attack.

reply to post by Maluhia




I have been asking for awhile when we would see another man like Jefferson or Adams or King..........This is the man.




We as a free people must stand behind him. He is a true patriot. He really is. What is freedom mean to you? This is the question that we should all ask ourselves and talk about around the dinner table and water cooler at work.



If we let this story slip into the abyss of apathy I fear our nation might very well be lost.

"If Edward Snowden did in fact leak the NSA data as he claims, the United States government must prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law and begin extradition proceedings at the earliest date," King, R-New York, said in a written statement. "The United States must make it clear that no country should be granting this individual asylum. This is a matter of extraordinary consequence to American intelligence."

Ummmm no... US (US Citizens) DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS OK..... Whatever happened to "by the people, for the people"..... I don't remember reading "do whatever I want".......

I'm sure they're monitoring this exact comment, because their watching everything... So, yes, King from New York, I called you a ---.......

I have my doubts because aren't these defectors arrested on the spot, before the news even breaks? The news is an industry controlled by CIA-like intelligence, plus international intelligence (it seems to be an excuse for hanging around).

So Snowden appears and the first thing I see is his funny name. Then I think this whole monologue disclosure is a puppet show from the Pentagon itself.

He wears a red hood when online to hide his identity. Why would the color of a hood matter? If he was so creeped out he would not exactly be on a computer with the way militaries can see the electromagnetic cloud around a computer device to see a person behave while online. And you want scared, they can do a similar trick with light bulbs. They can see your body heat from your house. The big surprise is with van eck phreaking of screens from a building nearby, but Mr. Snowden is still on computer?

Even in Hong Kong if he were a risk this would not make for such an unusual story. Photos too? Look he signed into a job and now is leaking...what exactly? Doomy feelings?

So he is the whistleblower? Well I'm sorry his news is about 15 years too late. The prism news was around when Bill Gates was just starting to make his billions at Microsoft. I remember an article about NSAs secret program that was used for military snooping. This was before remote viewing had been advertised as for the public, 20th century.

Maybe the Google scrubbed the truth since then. From my understanding military required a CPU or other chip design to be accessed by them. No design, no permission for mass production. It is primitive now but at the time it was cutting edge.

The prism security campaign is a diversion. Ooh watch the politicians bet up the old program, make people feel safe that we beat the corruption. Meanwhile there are unspoken programs running that would make you so weirded out that you'd never shower naked again. Likely a psyop to collect angry people names to see who is a constitutionalist. It's a security media production, I don't believe the storytellers this time.

reply to post by jhn7537

I'm sure they're monitoring this exact comment, because their watching everything... So, yes, King from New York, I called you a ---.......

I myself am wondering what color jumpsuits they have in FEMA camps so I can accessorize.

But, like Obamacare, they don't care what the people think - they know what's best for us (or rather their corporate sponsors) and will run roughshod over anybody that opposes their agenda. I don't know, maybe more Ed Snowden's will step to the forefront, but I think he's a rare breed.

Sadly, this is U.S. politics today.... Everything done today is because of 9/11 and they will milk that tragedy as long as they can... From the Patriot Act to everything being done for 'national security' they essentially have free reign to do whatever it is they like... If they get caught up they just blame in on national security.. Such a convenient answer, where its unpatriotic if you question it...

IT doesn't matter though!

So what if it IS a big conspiracy - what does THAT mean?
The govt is too tangled up to effect much change without drastic measures that potentially put field agents at risk?

Or do you think that the govt is really that all powerful, all knowing, - woah - wait right there - isn't that in itself reason enough to get mad?

Of they are only doing this to gather names! Woah - wait right there - isn't that in itself enough reason to get mad as hades and slam a fist down?

I am very conspiracy minded. I played this out this way and that. Doesn't matter. It all comes down to the makings of tyranny.

It's antichrist. (If you are religious minded at all....I'm pagan but I see this.)
Man trying to make himself GOD. Regular ol' 666. Man wanting to be able to KNOW ALL, CONTROL ALL.
This is the power of a GOD. Omniscience/omnipotence

When you put operation metal gear on top of this, you see a govt. wanting to know people's thoughts and being willing to manipulate the heck out of them.

And that's all ok? Because you think there's some sort of slight of hand going on?

So he blows the whistle on the "nefarious" activities of the U.S. government and runs off to China. That’s sort of like complaining about stagnation in the US economy and then running off to Ethiopia.

reply to post by ProfessorT


Protect who? If you mean society as a whole it's been a complete waste of tax payer dollars. If you believe the recent onslaught of shootings and bombings are legit.

They only interviewed him from the neck up, because his balls are the size of boulders.

This man just restored my hope in the future.

reply to post by VonDinkinDunken

I have to agree that China, even though he's in HC and not the mainland, was an odd choice. I mean it's not like China would have sympathy for someone who exposed a repressive government program or believes in the free flow of information devoid of government intervention and snooping. Makes for a very strange dichotomy. Maybe he believes China will keep him protected if they feel he has something to offer them. But then he's put himself in another odd and precarious position. Strange

reply to post by VonDinkinDunken

From the original article -

On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government.

You're obviously unfamiliar with how our government works these days. Google IRS scandal, Quarles Harris and Vince Foster to start.

Originally posted by JayinAR
These people truly believe they are above the law in every way, shape, and form.
It doesn't matter at all he has gone public. He needs to keep his head down.

ETA: in the meantime since he HAS gone public, we need to support him however we can. We can start by flagging the heck out of this thread.

edit on 9-6-2013 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)

We also need to hit every Main stream site they have an article about this guy on and preach about he is a hero.

just another person that is keeping the knowledge they have sourced, state they have it and then use it to threaten its release should something happen to them. wikileaks

What perspective changeing knowledge has really been released???????????

People want what they want then they want to keep it, simple as that. Doing so is where the complexity comes in.

Where are the tunnel entances? Where are the underground cities? Where are the missing from 9/11.

No facts, no proof of truth, once again.

At what point in this nation's history did treason become defined as patriotism and patriotism become defined as treason?

Make no mistake. What Edward Snowden has done is true American patriotism ...To argue any differently is to be a sheep and a shill for an Obama administration, and a government as a whole, that has routinely trampled on the rights of American citizens with impunity. The Constitution is just a piece of paper to them. An impediment to their absolute authority. All this had been done under the guise of "security" and "Big Brother knows best" ...

You wanna talk about treason? The ones actually committing treason in this country are the very officials on both sides of the aisle we've elected to serve their constituency and to protect the Constitition we hold dear. The foxes are in the hen house right now. And the only way to fix the problem is to awaken a populace lulled to sleep by free hand outs and empty promises ...Edward Snowden is trying to do just that.

" ...Those, who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety ..."

These words have never rung truer. The question is, as we spiral closer and closer to the zero hour, will we as a nation fight for the very ideals and rights afforded to us by our forefathers before it's too late?

I'm probably one of the few here who thinks there is still time to right this ship and who holds out the hope that we will all unite to do just that when the time comes ...This government and this Obama administration have taken the American people for granted. They have forgotten that we are their masters. Not the other way around. But there is strength in numbers. And we are just one united and awakened populace away from taking our country back.

Edward Snowden and other whistleblowers like him are key to sounding the alarm that is key to accomplishing just that. The first American revolution had people like Paul Revere, who did similar. All true Americans. All true patriots ...

reply to post by Maluhia


This to me is the main difference between a whistle blower and a Julian Assange. In this case I support the guy for leaking the info. He exposed a program the courts have already said were illegal and unconstitutional, all the while the Government is fighting to have that ruling kept secret and not released to the public.

The argument being made is he severely damaged national security... I would agree however I would rather face extremists head on rather than allow the government to protect me by investigating me.

I think we should suggest legislation that places live stream cameras and audio in all the offices members of Congress and the Executive branch use. I think all of their emails should be viewable by the public as they write them.

I say we treat these arrogant ass politicans in the same manner they think they are entitled to treat everyone else...

get involved pople... Demand that your rep support an independent special prosecutor and hold these people accountible for their illegal actions, just like the government is trying to do to these whistle blowers.

Here's something from the Washington Post that adds to this amazing story and supports the idea that not all is at it appears to be.

Some former CIA officials said they were troubled by aspects of Snowden’s background, at least as he described it to The Post and the Guardian.

For instance, Snowden said he did not have a high school diploma. One former CIA official said that it was extremely unusual for the agency to have hired someone with such thin academic credentials, particularly for a technical job, and that the terms Snowden used to describe his agency positions did not match internal job descriptions.

Snowden’s claim to have been placed under diplomatic cover for a position in Switzerland after an apparently brief stint at the CIA as a systems administrator also raised suspicion. “I just have never heard of anyone being hired with so little academic credentials,” the former CIA official said. The agency does employ technical specialists in overseas stations, the former official said, “but their breadth of experience is huge, and they tend not to start out as systems administrators.”

A former senior U.S. intelligence official cited other puzzling aspects of Snowden’s account, questioning why a contractor for Booz Allen at an NSA facility in Hawaii would have access to something as sensitive as a court order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

“I don’t know why he would have had access to those . . . orders out in Hawaii,” the former official said.

The guy got hired by one of the nations top security firms and didn't graduate high school? Also, as I stated in an earlier post, his claims of holding various, apparently upper level positions, don't seem reasonable based on his age, experience and now, what he admits to, a lack of higher education.

So is this the discredit part happening? (though why would they now try to discredit him in this regard since they have already admitted he harmed national security with his actions) Or, is it just an honest observation by a former employee? Did Snowden work the mailroom and obtained the document he released, there? I'm not getting any of this right now. Guy get's hired at a top firm with top clearance and no academic credentials?

Originally posted by Archie
When the character assassinations begin, it should be remembered that the US manipulates social media.

An article from 2011:

The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Aye, sock puppets. Caught a few once on twitter. They were totally automated. Anyways, it would seem that social media manipulation is most likely occurring. In a probably silly sense of bravado and a bit of giving fb the bird, I decided to post the guardian interview on fb. It disappeared. As did my friends. "Content unavailable". Interestingly enough, a celeb who posted the very same link has had his up for 9 hours. Go figure.

If people aren't talking about it on fb, then it can't be a big deal, right? Right?

reply to post by Jubilation T Cornpone

Huckabee did a whole show on the whistleblowers Obama as gone after. Had the guy who broke FF from BATF and another from the NSA and a few others as well, who saw what has been happening on the inside and chose to come forward. Huckabee pointed out that Obama's change.org platform in 2008 was to encourage and support people coming forward. Guess he changed his mind