True Heroes - Two Marines Stand Their Ground – Must Read!

Id have to say thee heroes died that day
Two marines and an unknown man driving that truck.....................................Ya see...Its ALL relative.............

reply to post by stirling


I was just thinking that myself. I don't want to take away from this post and be condescending, totally took balls to do what they did. Stuff like this always causes conflicting emotions for me. The marines thought what they were doing was right, the bombers did the same. It IS all relative, and it's a shame that things like this happen.

So if you want to be a hero join the american army!

I bet the familly of those who drove the truck will remember their kids as heroes too, telling the story the other way around. And yes there is another way to tell this story, it just has a little more depth to it.

Yes im against the war, do i hate america? no, beautiful country with nice people. But signing up for the army is a choice and if you want to be a hero go ''defend'' your country. And some indeed dont make the choice to die heroicly, they choose to shoot people in foreign countries.

Originally posted by cody599


Do you sleep soundly at night knowing people are prepared to die for your right to do so ?

What a strange thing to say.
Sorry, but if people are prepared to die, they got problems.
And, that they are prepared to die so I can die too?
No thanks.

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by cody599


Do you sleep soundly at night knowing people are prepared to die for your right to do so ?

What a strange thing to say.
Sorry, but if people are prepared to die, they got problems.
And, that they are prepared to die so I can die too?
No thanks.

I would hope that everyone who is alive is prepared to die at any given moment considering that none of us know when our time will come. I live everyday prepared to die for that very reason. In fact I would venture to say that not being prepared to die is a very irresponsible way to live.

Originally posted by stirling
Id have to say thee heroes died that day
Two marines and an unknown man driving that truck.....................................Ya see...Its ALL relative.............

edit on 7-6-2013 by stirling because: (no reason given)

I'll admit, your actually right in a way.

For most wars in history both sides thought they were the good ones, who were just defending themselves against an invader or aggressor. Even from the side of the invading forces (such as Gallipoli in my country or maybe d-day in the US), its still seen as defense against the evil aggressor.

Its one thing to be on the side of the most powerful military in the world - that doesn't require much courage at all. Its something else entirely to be on the side of the poor with next to no military resources and trying to take on the most powerful military in the world - now that would take courage. And when things look hopeless, becoming a kamakazi might seem the only option - the ultimate sacrifice for freedom from the imperialist occupier.

It is all relative indeed.

reply to post by stirling


No, I don't think so. The hero in this situation is the one who dare sarcrifice himself for other's safety. It is a noble act not like the insane deed of suicide bombing which reminds me of some Muslim groups following Extremism.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by cody599


Do you sleep soundly at night knowing people are prepared to die for your right to do so ?

What a strange thing to say.
Sorry, but if people are prepared to die, they got problems.
And, that they are prepared to die so I can die too?
No thanks.

I would hope that everyone who is alive is prepared to die at any given moment considering that none of us know when our time will come. I live everyday prepared to die for that very reason. In fact I would venture to say that not being prepared to die is a very irresponsible way to live.

Yes, It is a good attitude to live. If you live as you are prepared to die (like some people suffering incurable diseases and they know the death is near) you will learn how to cherish the time, live with your true self and make your life more meaningful. Your life's quality depends on which attitude you choose to live. Choice sometimes can make a sefless hero or a selfish coward.

Those who live by their convictions
Those whose unselfishness goes beyond what most mortal men can endure.....
No matter who he is.....
Theyll be heroes to somebody.
But what IS a hero?
Some say most are created by those who wish to manipulate our emotions for the furtherance of their own agendas......
But the rare and unselfish humanitarian acts of men of any side makes them a hero in my books.
That is the hell of war,
When good men die on both sides for things they never gave much conscious thought to before.....

The reality is we fight they die or you do,They never will ask me about policy.As an obvious fact I live in the nation state of America. It is good to keep America alive,we just did so fighting.Otherwise men who couldn't would be slaughtered in a draft.
I do believe there are one or two who wouldn't be too pleased to have a rifle shoved their way.
We could handle it we did it.You don't like war and killing? Quit electing men of fallen character.

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by cody599


Do you sleep soundly at night knowing people are prepared to die for your right to do so ?

What a strange thing to say.
Sorry, but if people are prepared to die, they got problems.
And, that they are prepared to die so I can die too?
No thanks.

Taken out of context yes

However

Mind if i ask, how many people did these "true heroes" killed?

Mind if ask ? Do you sleep soundly at night knowing people are prepared to die for your right to do so ?

Jeez why is it someone always has to go and mouth off, Were these guys heroes ? HELL YEAH Had you bothered to read the article

I traveled to Ramadi the next day and spoke individually to a half-dozen Iraqi police all of whom told the same story. The blue truck turned down into the alley and immediately sped up as it made its way through the serpentine. They all said, “We knew immediately what was going on as soon as the two Marines began firing.” The Iraqi police then related that some of them also fired, and then to a man, ran for safety just prior to the explosion. All survived. Many were injured … some seriously. One of the Iraqis elaborated and with tears welling up said, “They’d run like any normal man would to save his life.” What he didn’t know until then, he said, and what he learned that very instant, was that Marines are not normal. Choking past the emotion he said, “Sir, in the name of God no sane man would have stood there and done what they did.” “No sane man.” “They saved us all.”

When in context it sounds a bit different

Cody

reply to post by NavyDoc

Regardless how one feels about the war, a sane person can appreciate the courage and self sacrifice it took to stare down a VBIED and choose to stop it, knowing they would die, than let the comrades and innocent civilians die.

Well said.

Acts of bravery happen all the time whether people agree with the conflict or not. The least we can do is acknowledge what they saw, felt and did in their final moments.

reply to post by g146541


On the contrary, when you apply for a job at Blackwater or any other one of the private security contractors the job clearly says where you will be working (for example, Location:IRAQ). When you join the military during a time of peace, you never know what could happen tomorrow. When you join during a time of war, the war could end tomorrow. I do not know what a peacetime military is like, but hearing the stories of my SNCO's about when they were at such and such base when 9/11 happened or when we declared war, that sort of thing can happen at the drop of a hat.

Also, almost all private security firms that were employed in Iraq were created after the start of the war, so, respectfully, you are incorrect.

Call them heroes or don't....Those two men would be welcome brothers at my side nonetheless....

Being a former marine myself, and also spending significant time in Ramadi, TQ, and AQ, I can tell you it's not an easy spot to be in. Many of the young men and women that stand up as these two warriors did don't even believe they're doing anything special. One of my good friends earned a silver star for combat operations in Afghanistan, and he'll tell you flat out that he doesn't deserve it.

Military personnel of every branch know how nasty war can be....and how politically sick and twisted it often is.....but we also know our job....and we also have a bond with our other squad members that is unrivaled by anything a civilian can imagine....

So when it comes to giving your life...It's not about the war...It's not about the reason you're in that country to begin with...It's about saving those people not far from your post....You know they'd do the same for you....

"Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends."

A2D

Originally posted by whatsup86
So if you want to be a hero join the american army!

I bet the familly of those who drove the truck will remember their kids as heroes too, telling the story the other way around. And yes there is another way to tell this story, it just has a little more depth to it.

Yes im against the war, do i hate america? no, beautiful country with nice people. But signing up for the army is a choice and if you want to be a hero go ''defend'' your country. And some indeed dont make the choice to die heroicly, they choose to shoot people in foreign countries.

Do you know the number one reason young men and women enlist in the military? It's not to defend their country.....and it's not to go shoot people in foreign countries.....
It's to support their families and better their education......These men and women didn't sign up to be heroes....They were already heroes before they ever signed.....

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I don't know how many of you have seen the video of the incident, but from where I'm sat it looks like it was poor defences that even allowed the truck to get near enough to blow them up. Why was there nobody at the the other end of the road to prevent the truck even getting that near to the gate?

reply to post by WhothehellCares


Hmm...

Everyone who joins the military is an idiot and so are their families?

What an interesting, blind, viewpoint. I think I know quite a few RAF "blokes" who would love to discuss that with you.

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Originally posted by THE666OCCULT
Here come the hippies and America haters.

These men didn't choose the situation they were put into, they did not choose to declare a war, they just signed up to fight it so YOU or your BROTHER or your FATHER didn't get drafted.

Show some respect.

Its not about "hating America". Its about objecting to an American foreign policy based on nothing more than profits and control of strategically important geography.

These are war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Rest assured, TPTB will never institute another draft. The American people would revolt the next day and the government knows it, which is why everyone is being sent overseas (national guard etc.) and people are doing multiple tours.

The soldiers which deserve our respect are the ones that are refusing to follow the orders of their superiors who are instructing them to fight these illegal, immoral wars.

reply to post by gladtobehere


So you believe we should show more respect to someone who violates a sworn oath to obey the orders of those appointed over them than to someone who gave their life to protect someone else?

This is the point that needs to be made: regardless of if you agree with the war, respect the one who fights it. There are 1000 keyboard warriors for every true man of arms. These men are out there every day, and trust me they don't want to be (I didn't, either) fighting in a war that is ridiculous and is hopeless, while everyone complains about it. WE have no choice.

Can you imagine how it feels to go through the things that one goes through in a war, and to have your experiences belittled or forgotten about simply because people don't like the war, or don't like the government?

Respect the warrior, not the war. Never forget the fallen, regardless of why they fell. They possess a strength and courage that most will never know.