Oppositional Defiance Disorder (What the HELL is this crap?!)

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


That's a description of me

I'm mentally ill? How? No, can't be

reply to post by smyleegrl


I completely agree with you and i have no doubt that people do suffer from disoders and i know people with mental illnesses. I never "studied" it to do research on people with disorders but i did bond with them including one of my nieces which i havent seen in a very long time.

but the reason i was angry is because on how law enforcement is going to be treating these people and even beating them with that new LAW that they have or that they are going to have. (even though law enforcement already does it, now its gonna get worse)

So when i said some people are more angrier than others thats exactly what i meant (maybe they suffer from disorder or mental illness or maybe they dont). So basically what im saying is that if COPS dont see you "normal" or you look at them bad there just gonna arrest you or beat the crap out of you and not even care if your suffering from a disorder or not.

They want us all to be the same like freakin puppets to obey the LAW and they are ignoring the fact that some people are mentally ill.They are doing it like in Mexico where they abandoned people with mental illnesses on the street and treat them bad just because they are not "NORMAL" like society wants them to be, thats what makes me sick.

hope you understand what im trying to say here...

hope you understand what im trying to say here...

reply to post by Tlexlapoca


I do understand.

I share your concerns about a future police state, especially with regards to stereotyping people with mental disorders. I think it's a valid concern. With the latest revelations of the new "disorders" such as caffeine withdrawal, I do believe there's an agenda by some to classify new disorders. Perhaps as a way to control people, perhaps as a pharmaceutical money marketing scheme....I don't know.

What I disagree with (not directed at you, by the way) is the idea that ODD is a somehow manufactured disorder that will be used to subdue the populace. It is my professional and personal (my son has ODD components) opinion that its a real disorder. The good news is, if a child's diagnosed early, there's excellent therapy that can greatly help the child learn how to deal with ODD.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Do some research before you make a stupid post where you look like a fool.


Diagnostic criteria for 313.81 Oppositional Defiant Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
(1) often loses temper
(2) often argues with adults
(3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
(4) often deliberately annoys people
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
(7) is often angry and resentful
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level.

B. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.

C. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood Disorder.

D. Criteria are not met for Conduct Disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.



Read more: www.conductdisorders.com...

Yeah? And who do you think made that little list?

Probably the same people who manifested the disorder.

I posted research and a link in my OP, and my reasoning for why I thought it was ridiculous.

So my opinion, and this ridiculous disorder, makes me a fool?

Right, noted. Move along, drone. Nothing for you here.

XXNightAngelusXX,

I'm sorry this person called you a fool. You're not a fool, I've read your threads enough to know that. However, ODD is a real, albeit obscure, medical diagnosis. I completely understand how someone unfamiliar with the condition could misunderstand what it is; heck, it sounds exactly like what you posted in your OP. someone who's come across the definition for the first time and never experienced it first hand would naturally question it. I applaud you for doing so, because it shows your thinking for yourself and questioning. This is a good thing....so long as you recognize when you've made a mistake and can accept that.

Take it as a learning experience, and keep questioning.

I have my degrees in psychology and work with children. I have seen this first hand. These children have the goal to make every adult and fellow students' day hell. Their almost child psychopaths.

reply to post by Hellfreedumb


Almost? I thought the whole point of the ODD diagnosis is so we weren't labeling children with the much more stigmatized diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. Granted I haven't checked the DSM 5 to see if the diagnostic criteria have changed for these two disorders but I know the DSM IV-TR ODD was listed as a developmental disorder while APD required that the patient be over 18 years old.

Originally posted by Hellfreedumb
I have my degrees in psychology and work with children. I have seen this first hand. These children have the goal to make every adult and fellow students' day hell. Their almost child psychopaths.

NO!

It is not the fault of these children that they have issues! Nor do they deliberately set out to "make every adult and fellow students' day hell." This is a DISORDER, not a choice.

You have a degree in psychology, work with children, and have this attitude? Perhaps you should consider another line of work, as I highly doubt someone who could call these children "almost psychopaths" has the insight or ability to empathize and work with them.

I would say more, but T&Cs limit me.

I really think that there is such a disorder, i have a friend who opposes anything, heck you can throw anything in front of him and he will oppose it, just for the sake of it, and if you do not agree with him, he imediately considers you his inferior, the way he does it just seems to be a disorder of some form.

Only in a culture where everything is controlled could there be a disorder such as this, kind of seems un-natural

Originally posted by Tribunal
This whole situation made me think of this.......

That's an excellent example of a monkey suffering from a "mental illness".

Originally posted by UNIT76
in australia now there's a genetic study underway (for anorexia)

if we follow this out.. they're going to eventually claim it comes down to a gene

I'm glad someone else is aware of what is going on here. Genetics is going to be used as the next excuse to "save us". They are using this excuse because they know it is impossible for the average person to disprove it.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
This is not about "obeying authority." It's about following social and legal concepts, If a person with OOD is stopped by LEO, he is more likely to attack the officer as he is to listen to the lecture and accept the ticket. I'm a nurse, as many of you know, And I have dealt with patients with this disorder, required 5 to 7 hospital employees, plus two lero's. If you have never dealt with this disorder, you don't know what you've missed, and, my brother I hope you never have to find out. Trust me when I say it is painful and exhausting work.

reply to post by Zcustosmorum

Makes you feel more like a lab rat and not a human being. Part of an experiment.

These're kids. They're all going to grow up around this whole thing. These kids with ODD will have it plastered on their records for all the law enforcement to see. How many kids have it?

How many other disrders are there and how many kids are being "recorded"? All of these records will be used when they grow up to make sure they don't hurt themselves or hurt someone else.

It's easy for us to "fix" a child without their consent because we have lots of excuses:
1) Child's brain is not fully developed
2) They do not have the experience or knowledge to make good decisions
3) Parents have a lot of anxiety about their child getting hurt or making a bad choice

How many more disorders will they add to the list in the next 20 years?

Like one guy/gal here said, they're controlling more and more things. This is our future. It may be a good one and I may be worrying too much, but it still creeps me out, seriously.

There was a study recently that hinted daydreaming is a disorder. It didn't come out and say that, but it said that people who daydream have more anxiety or distress. While reading it, I kept thinking about how I'd daydreaming in school. I did good in school, but I daydreamed too.

When I read study I had just read a science fiction story too. Funny coincidence it was that these two things happened together. The story was named Hemeac by E.G. Von Wald.

This is the closest to a review I can find on the net:
vintage45.wordpress.com - World’s Best Science Fiction 1969...

It's just a science fiction story about human youth being schooled by robots. The robots watch the kids with camaras and other sensors. The robots don't allow their mind to wander. If your mind wanders, you will be expelled to a no mans land. In the story one of them lets his mind wander too much. The outcasts that live outside of the robot society manage to attack it in various ways until it becomes run down. The kids escape, but they were hopelessly unaware of what was going on.

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by Hellfreedumb
I have my degrees in psychology and work with children. I have seen this first hand. These children have the goal to make every adult and fellow students' day hell. Their almost child psychopaths.

NO!

It is not the fault of these children that they have issues! Nor do they deliberately set out to "make every adult and fellow students' day hell." This is a DISORDER, not a choice.

You have a degree in psychology, work with children, and have this attitude? Perhaps you should consider another line of work, as I highly doubt someone who could call these children "almost psychopaths" has the insight or ability to empathize and work with them.

I would say more, but T&Cs limit me.

They do deliberately set out to do it. You are right, it is not entirely their fault, as they do have a disorder. They need love, and help. It is however quite deliberate and intentional what they do.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Alright, I admit, I may have jumped the gun making this thread...

But. Come on.

If parents were allowed to be parents, they wouldn't have deviant children. I don't mean children who are just opposing to authority, I mean children who are (as smylee described) ridiculous and defiant regarding nearly everything.

No offense, but that's why liberals shouldn't have children.

If parents were allowed to implement discipline anymore, it wouldn't be much of a problem.

But this disorder gives leeway to say that anyone opposing authority is mentally ill.

And that is ridiculous.

No, it does not give leeway to that. I already showed you what is needed for this disorder to be diagnosed, why do you continue with this blatant lie? There are plenty of conservatives who are terrible parents and should not have children as well. Many liberals do not discipline enough, many conservatives discipline too much. So let's not make this political as both sides of the aisle have many parents with terrible parenting skills.

Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Ok, I don't know if you follow medical news at all? Well, if you do you would of noticed that every time they changes or invent a term in the medical/pharmaceutical field it gives them carte blanche to create a new drug to treat the "disorder" and profit from it. Example, heart burn is now Acid Reflux Disease It's not a disease it's a condition. But because they changed the term of some of the off the shelf treatment they have now become over the counter and/or prescription drugs.

Now, at an extreme, vaccine could come with "compliant" additives. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

edit on 7-6-2013 by XLR8R because: (no reason given)

More lies, why am I not surprised. Heartburn is not called Acid Reflux Disease now. It becomes a disease when it happens several times a week over a long period of time. If you get heartburn after eating spicy Indian food one time a month, there's no disease. Stop spreading lies.

Is not Meglomania a psychotic disorder also?
Does not that condition describe many in high office?

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Do some research before you make a stupid post where you look like a fool.


Diagnostic criteria for 313.81 Oppositional Defiant Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
(1) often loses temper
(2) often argues with adults
(3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
(4) often deliberately annoys people
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
(7) is often angry and resentful
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level.

B. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.

C. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood Disorder.

D. Criteria are not met for Conduct Disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.



Read more: www.conductdisorders.com...

Yeah? And who do you think made that little list?

Probably the same people who manifested the disorder.

I posted research and a link in my OP, and my reasoning for why I thought it was ridiculous.

So my opinion, and this ridiculous disorder, makes me a fool?

Right, noted. Move along, drone. Nothing for you here.

So you think it's perfectly normal to OFTEN be angrier and more resentful than everyone else, OFTEN be more spiteful and vindictful than everyone else, to OFTEN lose your temper more than everyone else, and to OFTEN blame everyone else for your own mistakes and never take any accountability for ones actions? Those are not things that happen from time to time, it is how that person almost always acts.

You think that's normal? Yes, you are a fool.

reply to post by Nephalim


Certainly I would concur that wise, mature folks can minimize the impact of authority figures on their lives.

I just think it's folly to assume that any of us can be totally and always completely free of even human authority--and certainly that anyone can be free of God's ultimate authority.

At the root . . . I think Oppositional Defiance, rebellion . . . the really significant, serious cases of older such--is at root a basically relational/spiritual set of problems and dynamics.

And, that DISCIPLINE without RELATIONSHIP will virtually always yield rebellion.

Originally posted by MrJohnSmith
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

It seems to me that we have to medicalise bad behaviour in children these days, rather than blame poor parenting.

A lot of parents are under all sorts of pressures themselves these days, and their kids suffer as a result, discipline and compliance at home may be non existent, with chaotic lifestyles, the children go to school, and are possibly for the first time in their lives, expected to comply and follow instructions, which, they naturally rebel against, as it is alien to them.We then decide that the child has a diagnosable mental disorder that can be treated with drugs...

Very well put and I greatly agree.

The pressures on parents who were poorly parented to begin with, in most cases . . . are incredible.

Then there are few classes on parenting and few folks take them--usually much too late.

ATTACHMENT DISORDER yields horrific results . . . including physiological brain damage in the areas dealing with emotional expression and relationship management.