Hollywood says "too Gay?"

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Exactly, we should have accepted Goebbels for who he was and not tried to curb his habits or inclinations.

If you are claiming to love Goebbels or Hitler, then yes, you would have accepted Hitler and Goebbels as they truly were. The Nazis sure did; but you are missing the point.

I am NOT saying that you MUST love EVERYBODY
(It's understandable why someone would not love such destructive individuals...)

But, if you claim to love someone and don't accept them then you don't actually love them because you are trying to CHANGE who they are. You only love your fantasy of how you THINK they should be.

Most people who claim to believe in unconditional love - do not actually believe in it. The love is conditional based on the person's behavior or actions.

(Now, I'm not saying a person MUST have unconditional love, either. I am just making an observation)

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My point being that "homosexual" behavior is viewed as self destructive or destructive of others according to the person's religious views.

Nobody is perfect and people do not think the same most people in this thread are up in arms launching assaults on each others' perspectives.

Get over it and get back to talking about Liberace.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

My point being that "homosexual" behavior is viewed as self destructive or destructive of others according to the person's religious views. Nobody is perfect and people do not think the same most people in this thread are up in arms launching assaults on each others' perspectives. Get over it and get back to talking about Liberace.

Did you watch the video in the OP? This thread isn't about Liberace. It's about using some weird sect of "Militant Christianity", not unlike Westboro Baptists, to publicly condemn all homosexuals, and a huge swath of heteros as well, as damnable abomination, in the name of Jesus. This thread is a vehicle to proselytize the OP's personal brand of bigotry, under the guise of "love."

It's passive aggressive to say "I don't hate you, I hate how you express who you are." You cannot separate a homosexual from the natural way in which they express physical love. The OP's is asking people to stop being who they are, to become celibate, because he/she is offended.

"WE" are not going to just "shut up" and "get over it"!

Stopped watching the vid when it said "send us 10 bucks a month because the truth will set you free"
Pfft.
Gonna watch the film when it is released in the UK, looks good.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by Astyanax
'Too gay' means it will die at the box-office, because so many Americans are homophobic and will not dare to watch a movie about real gay life. That's all. There is no moral judgement implied whatsoever.

Yes there is...how good and holy is sodomy, then why not show it for what it truly as you say..."no moral
judgment"...the act should be see for what it is, right? What happened liberal Hollywood?

We're in the end times, two generations defending the abomination!

You sound very guided by this morality. Would it be fair to then state that, were it not for the bible, you too would be participating in gay sex? It sounds like you credit the bible for showing you how to be superior. That is why I'm curious about how you'd respond to its absence.

Just a point to add, the big studios didn't give it a big screening because it would not do well at the box office and that is all they care about.
Looking here in the uk there are screenings around the country but it is not nationwide.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

My point being that "homosexual" behavior is viewed as self destructive or destructive of others according to the person's religious views. Nobody is perfect and people do not think the same most people in this thread are up in arms launching assaults on each others' perspectives. Get over it and get back to talking about Liberace.

Did you watch the video in the OP? This thread isn't about Liberace. It's about using some weird sect of "Militant Christianity", not unlike Westboro Baptists, to publicly condemn all homosexuals, and a huge swath of heteros as well, as damnable abomination, in the name of Jesus. This thread is a vehicle to proselytize the OP's personal brand of bigotry, under the guise of "love."

It's passive aggressive to say "I don't hate you, I hate how you express who you are." You cannot separate a homosexual from the natural way in which they express physical love. The OP's is asking people to stop being who they are, to become celibate, because he/she is offended.

"WE" are not going to just "shut up" and "get over it"!

I don't think you watched the video. Westboro Baptist Church they are not and you just lost most all of your credibility there.

That is like me calling you a member of SCUM just for having feminine traits.
( www.womynkind.org... )


This video right here?

He starts off quoting the maker of the film saying that studios denied the film that it was "too gay" for the first three and a half minutes.

He then makes snarky comments about how the purveyors of puritan values in Hollywood even thought it was too explicit in its depiction of the homosexual affairs of Liberace. He then makes a statement that Hollywood doesn't want to show actual boy on boy love for same reason planned parenthood doesn't want pictures of aborted fetuses shown to the public. He claims it makes people squeamish.

When I say get over it I am talking about the ignorant ranting going on on both sides. You do realize you have people arguing about things they admit they have no personal knowledge about?

Also you are misrepresenting by calling it "militant Christianity" the video is produced by ChurchMilitant and as far as they are concerned homosexual behavior is morally reprehensible according to their religion.

This is much to do about nothing and you are all acting like a bunch of cry babies.

Oh noes a group of people doesn't like that I like boys (or girls)!

I can't handle people not accepting my way of life!

I hate them! Waaaaaaaaaaa

^That goes for both parties, get over yourselves.

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If it's your perspective that this thread is only about homo haters vs. homo lovers, and all parties should just "get over it", why are you bothering to read and post in such a silly rhetorical thread?

"ChurchMilitant" or "Militant Christianity", whats the difference? The Op's only purpose for posting is to condemn an entire swath of humanity, heterosexuals included.

When I see people spreading ignorance and bigotry under the guise of love and Jesus, I speak out. The OP's biblical arguments are just a relevant as condemning ham and cheese sandwich eaters.

Quotes claiming that Jesus spoke to the world on these issues this year, or last year, are invalid. Jesus never addressed homosexuality in the Bible. PERIOD!

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

If it's your perspective that this thread is only about homo haters vs. homo lovers, and all parties should just "get over it", why are you bothering to read and post in such a silly rhetorical thread?

"ChurchMilitant" or "Militant Christianity", whats the difference? The Op's only purpose for posting is to condemn an entire swath of humanity, heterosexuals included.

When I see people spreading ignorance and bigotry under the guise of love and Jesus, I speak out. The OP's biblical arguments are just a relevant as condemning ham and cheese sandwich eaters.

Quotes claiming that Jesus spoke to the world on these issues this year, or last year, are invalid. Jesus never addressed homosexuality in the Bible. PERIOD!

Militant obviously implies running around with guns and engaging in violent behavior and considering the current environment it is highly inflammatory language to be using.

If you enjoy arguing so much but cannot find the time to actually source your information and present it in a non antagonistic manner then you are no better then the OP.

I will leave the retards to argue over who farted. (Get it?)


EDIT
Actually I don't think you will get it so let me explain. A fart comes from a butt and can be unpleasant but does not actually do anyone any harm.

Indeed, i have stated i am not knowledgeable of the Bible, but have you asked those preaching it if they are knowledge of Homosexuality? or are they basing everything on the Bible and misconceptions of 'Homosexuality', in turn how would that differ that before i debate or defend myself i should have knowledge of the book in which their views come from?

i know i have brought up the 'abomination' multiple time sin this topic, and as you have stated and i have concurred it is not calling 'Homosexuals' abominations but the acts they engage in, mainly it's about sex, but does not that make me an abomination by association? i engage in 'Abominate acts' so i am an abomination?

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Indeed, i have stated i am not knowledgeable of the Bible, but have you asked those preaching it if they are knowledge of Homosexuality? or are they basing everything on the Bible and misconceptions of 'Homosexuality', in turn how would that differ that before i debate or defend myself i should have knowledge of the book in which their views come from?

i know i have brought up the 'abomination' multiple time sin this topic, and as you have stated and i have concurred it is not calling 'Homosexuals' abominations but the acts they engage in, mainly it's about sex, but does not that make me an abomination by association? i engage in 'Abominate acts' so i am an abomination?

Well if you ever actually read the Bible it actually states that all of mankind are hopeless sinners and are marching themselves to hell.

Hence the reason why Jesus came a lived a perfect sinless life for all of mankind and redeems them if only they have faith in him being the true incarnation of God in this world.

Most people have never actually read the text though so they think that all the rules and regulations that came before must be met or else you go to hell. Hell most people don't even know what hell is.

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Indeed, i have stated i am not knowledgeable of the Bible, but have you asked those preaching it if they are knowledge of Homosexuality? or are they basing everything on the Bible and misconceptions of 'Homosexuality', in turn how would that differ that before i debate or defend myself i should have knowledge of the book in which their views come from?

i know i have brought up the 'abomination' multiple time sin this topic, and as you have stated and i have concurred it is not calling 'Homosexuals' abominations but the acts they engage in, mainly it's about sex, but does not that make me an abomination by association? i engage in 'Abominate acts' so i am an abomination?

Well if you ever actually read the Bible it actually states that all of mankind are hopeless sinners and are marching themselves to hell.

Hence the reason why Jesus came a lived a perfect sinless life for all of mankind and redeems them if only they have faith in him being the true incarnation of God in this world.

Most people have never actually read the text though so they think that all the rules and regulations that came before must be met or else you go to hell. Hell most people don't even know what hell is.

Indeed, but is not the Bible easily manipulated to fit each persons 'View'?

the inherent trouble even with the topic of a movie being 'Too Gay' is the fact that a movie is never 'Too Straight', regardless of progress people are still uncomfortable with 'Mainstream homosexuality'

we are a novelty to some, we are some females best friend, we are the the ones in a parade throwing glitter, we are the 'Fabulous Rainbow' yet we are not considered 'Mainstream Normal' a 'Fringe' if you will

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

If you enjoy arguing so much but cannot find the time to actually source your information and present it in a non antagonistic manner then you are no better then the OP. I will leave the retards to argue over who farted. (Get it?)

If you have read the thread, if you have noticed my posts, you would be aware that I have referenced my sources. I have proved the OP wrong on several fronts, using the Bible. The only overt antagonism I've seen in this thread have come from you and other bible thumpers who don't know their stuff either.

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Well seeing as over 96% of the population is straight you would have find some method of determining what you believe to be a measure of straightness of gayness to hope to argue that point. Then you would have to determine how straightness is offensive after first having defined straight. Then you would actually have to collect the data and determine whether your hypothesis was correct and have it evaluated by peer review.

The church was not the one who called the film too gay, it was the individual who made the film and let us not forget that. This was a business decision and the comparisons being made are similar to showing people how sausage is made.

For example, many people love to eat meat and engage in activities with it, but there are lines drawn when it comes down to showing what goes on behind the closed doors.



Believe it or not but the physiological design of humanities' sexuality is meant for reproduction and the use of it to express emotional memes is strictly a human endeavor. I am not saying homosexual acts do not occur but they are usually the result of expressing dominance in the animal kingdom. It would then be a natural response for many to view it in a different light than one who engages in it to express an emotional bond.

The "mainstream" of a section of the population which comprises of less then 5% of the population is not actually mainstream. It is a tributary at best.

There are more black people in prison as a percentage than there are homosexuals as a percentage of the human population.
en.wikipedia.org...

In 2008 approximately one in every 31 adults (7.3 million) in the United States was behind bars, or being monitored (probation and parole). In 2008 the breakdown for adults under correctional control was as follows: one out of 18 men, one in 89 women, one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), one in 27 Latinos (3.7 percent), and one in 45 Caucasians (2.2 percent).

Why is there not a similar uproar about this?

It has to do with the density of homosexual activity, specifically male, in Hollywood and the entertainment industry. On a psychological level it makes sense that many homosexuals are in Hollywood were people crave attention and acceptance and that is one of the issues you are bringing up here in this thread.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

If you enjoy arguing so much but cannot find the time to actually source your information and present it in a non antagonistic manner then you are no better then the OP. I will leave the retards to argue over who farted. (Get it?)

If you have read the thread, if you have noticed my posts, you would be aware that I have referenced my sources. I have proved the OP wrong on several fronts, using the Bible. The only overt antagonism I've seen in this thread have come from you and other bible thumpers who don't know their stuff either.

I read the thread.

Your examples do not involve the physical act of love making and were expressions of the non physical love and devotion which can exist between two members of the same sex.

Are you calling me a Bible thumper? You don't really get far from outright name calling yourself.

Get real kid.

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If you're not a bible thumper, then why did you tell me to refer to the bible to get the answers to my questions earlier in this thread?

I'm actually confused on what your stance is because it seems like you keep flip flopping your points being anti-homosexual to pro-homosexual then back again.

Are you just arguing to for arguments sake? Because it sure seems like it from my point of view.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

If you're not a bible thumper, then why did you tell me to refer to the bible to get the answers to my questions earlier in this thread?

I'm actually confused on what your stance is because it seems like you keep flip flopping your points being anti-homosexual to pro-homosexual then back again.

Are you just arguing to for arguments sake? Because it sure seems like it from my point of view.

I doubt you realize you sound just like George W. Bush when said, "you either with us or against us."

I told you to refer to a Bible because that was the source this individual was basing his views on. It was a pure logic play on part. If you don't know where someone is getting their views from and understand the reasoning behind it then you are failing to even comprehend the issue in the first place.

Your complaint here is no different than trying to argue based on the American justice system when you are at trial in Russia.

Two different sets of rules people are living by. If you can't understand that then I must admit I have no way of continuing any sort of discourse in a productive manner.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


We all already know what the bible says about homosexuality, that it's an abomination, what more is there to take from the bible other than that statement? Jesus never says anything about homosexuality, so why is it such a huge deal?

Being gay is not an abomination, which means the bible is wrong, which means it would be pointless to read what the bible says about it since we already know what the answer is and we see that answer as wrong.

I'm not really sure why you even said that other than to play both sides at once. It's not a very productive discussion when you keep flip flopping your argument all around the place, don't you think?

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Never mind my babbling a hard day and am irritable. my apologies nothing to see here

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