EDL - Tommy Robinson on the brutal murder of a British soldier

Originally posted by supremecommander

Originally posted by LordDerpingtonSmythe

He is not the most articulate individual out there but his core msg does seem to resonate with
an ever growing chunk of society.

Yeah. Here in America, we call that chunk of society "white nationalists".

When times are hard, and the governments have gone mad, it's best to blame anyone that's different from you for the ills of society.

This is how Hitler rose to power.

When you look at the glass darkly, you can start to see shades of the same underpinnings to the rise of NAZI's with the war on Terror and it's subvert war as well. I believe 100% that another grab for power is underway.

People are people, there are lunatics and extremists in each and every religion, creed, belief and skin color. Only the MSM will report on this behavior and loudly if it is align with that agenda.

That said...Equality must be blind to ALL people and because it is not you can see some truth in this sort of Anger! Which is the whole point. Keep pushing a Revolution, whether the people want one or not! Of course most all revolutions (except the US) have ended up the same!

The pendulum will swing. It is how it has always worked. Unfortunately...

reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe


So in their entire existence, the EDL can only claim 1 or maybe up to 5 members and events where they openly accepted muslims?

That's pathetic.

They are a hate group, pure and simple. Although I agree that radical extremism is bad, be it Christian or Islamic, this group is no different than any other hate group. Actually they are more dangerous than other hate groups because they have direct political influence.

~Tenth

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Seriously a wiki link
I have already posted this in another thread its an old poster I can really see he KKK using something like this

I also remember reading a story a few years ago when the media where trying to discredit them by talking about when Tommy was in the BNP he admited to being a member but was anoyed because his black friend wasnt aloud in the meeting

but then I should imagine he is a lying racist as well

Originally posted by skalla
i've had real trouble commenting on existing/ongoing issues having been away for a week.

ATS has become blackshirt heaven. i'm pretty disgusted but obviously i did not expect better.

The EDL - how anyone could hang any hope or respect on that "banner" is a disgrace.

When a peoples voice is taken away, when they are not even allowed to comment on the evil
which grows within their society, when their protests are silenced, when the people who are supposed
to protect them simply look the other way or treat them as criminals and when religious murdering whackjobs
walk the streets beheading people and threaten their children, what is left but to turn to extremes ?

reply to post by dam00


I would imagine he thinks that "Darkies" who think like he does, i.e that Brown folk who smell of curry and wear funny hats and beards and say "bud-bud-ding-ding" are pond life, are ok by him.

They are still quite clearly a hate group, despite protestations otherwise.

Their idea of protecting English culture is just laughable. I've tried having culture and history discussions with them. They just drool and look confused.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


See this is where you fall down.
You assume its the EDL's fault they have not many muslim members.

This is also where the left falls down,they lack the understanding of the dangers that exists for muslims who stand up.
Mohammed Ansar talked to the leader of edl the other day and was abused for it on social networking sites.

Originally posted by LordDerpingtonSmythe
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

See this is where you fall down.
You assume its the EDL's fault they have not many muslim members.

This is also where the left falls down,they lack the understanding of the dangers that exists for muslims who stand up.
Mohammed Ansar talked to the leader of edl the other day and was abused for it on social networking sites.

edit on 29-5-2013 by LordDerpingtonSmythe because: derped

Good find thanks for sharing

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe

 

. Actually they are more dangerous than other hate groups because they have direct political influence.

~Tenth

I do not think they have any political influence at all - in fact they have as much political influence as football hooligans did.

They just march a lot - but always under the strict supervision of the police and usually on prearranged routes as it the right of any group in the UK.

reply to post by skalla


Personal attacks and screaming xenophobia is an old boring tactic that has been used so much
that many are becoming desentized to it.

If you can find any of what you just said in the video posted feel free to point it out.

reply to post by dam00

but then I should imagine he is a lying racist as well

Oh save me the veiled insult.

I don't doubt that the EDL prances around like it's an all inclusive group of people and creeds and beliefs, every propagandist and terrible organization does so.

So you can show me all the propaganda you want, and I'll still show you how it's members and shown to have been racist and bigoted.

The fact that their whole platform is nothing but anti islam is telling enough.

~Tenth

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I agree they have no political influence.
But as recent local elections proved, there is a swing to the right taking place in the UK
that has been caused my the imposition of left wing idelogy using fascist techniques.

Again, when you take away citzens voices and tell them they are morons and/or bigots
for voicing concerns you create environments right wing groups thrive in.

reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe

Mohammed Ansar talked to the leader of edl the other day and was abused for it on social networking sites.

Well who would have thought that people on the internet would give you a hard time for speaking your mind .

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

You assume its the EDL's fault they have not many muslim members.

What do you mean, I assume?! They are Anti_Muslim. Their whole platform and rhetoric drives moderates away from their group.

If they were so wonderful, then they would be fulled of moderate individuals of all religions, races, etc.

They aren't. Just a bunch of nationalists.

~Tenth

reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe


I have no need to listen to Tommy Robinson - i've heard him speak on the TV quite a few times - he's fairly eloquent and does come over better than many would expect but this is irrelevant. He founded a group that is quite repulsive, i'm more than familiar with the EDL and many of their members and how they think.... there are some real scumbags in the EDL who whip up the rest based on fear and prejudice and they really represent the very worst of Britain.

And yes, their Xenophobia and personal attacks are very old and tired. They are old-school bullies and hooligans.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by dam00

Oh save me the veiled insult.

I don't doubt that the EDL prances around like it's an all inclusive group of people and creeds and beliefs, every propagandist and terrible organization does so.

So you can show me all the propaganda you want, and I'll still show you how it's members and shown to have been racist and bigoted.

The fact that their whole platform is nothing but anti islam is telling enough.

~Tenth

You have not "shown" anything just given your opinion on what you "doubt" is the case.
The "fact" that their whole platform is anti islamic is made up nonsense that was even disproved
by your own wiki quote.

This is because you obviously dont understand the difference between islam and radical islam.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe

 

Mohammed Ansar talked to the leader of edl the other day and was abused for it on social networking sites.

Well who would have thought that people on the internet would give you a hard time for speaking your mind

.

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

You assume its the EDL's fault they have not many muslim members.

What do you mean, I assume?! They are Anti_Muslim. Their whole platform and rhetoric drives moderates away from their group.

If they were so wonderful, then they would be fulled of moderate individuals of all religions, races, etc.

They aren't. Just a bunch of nationalists.

~Tenth

Brilliant just brilliant.
Not quite grasping the whole anti radical islam concept are you ?

Are you sure you should be lumping muslims and radical islamists together ?
Seems a bit inappropriate for a member of staff.

reply to post by LordDerpingtonSmythe

Seems a bit inappropriate for a member of staff.

Please refrain from the:



My status as a staff member, or anything else about me personally is not on topic.

Are you sure you should be lumping muslims and radical islamists together ?

Oh I quite know the difference, I'm just not sure the EDL does.

Regardless, people like those in the EDL will not resolve anything. They will only service to inflame radical muslims.

The truth is, that only from moderate Muslims standing up and being vocal will come any kind of peace or reduction in violence and rhetoric.

Much like the KKK they were REALLY popular until white people starting calling them on their bigotry.

The same will occur with Islam, once the moderates take over and share their thoughts and opinions.

They are just as guilty for keeping their mouth shut though, and in that sense are extremists in their own rgiht.

~Tenth

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The truth is, that only from moderate Muslims standing up and being vocal will come any kind of peace or reduction in violence and rhetoric.

Then we must put our hopes in Muslims being kind, merciful and moderate towards us...?

Should we pray for this, or offer them gifts and peace offerings, or convert to Islam ourselves...?

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vield insult ?

your still missing the point and still providing no evidence to back up your opinion


they are according to there mission statement anti millitant Islam, I understand the difference between the two
and from what I heard in the video from the OP so does Tommy Robbinson,



I am just going to clear something up

my partner who I have been with for 15 years has Indian heratige her Grandfather brought an Indian lady over to England and married her, they had three children all boys one of them the youngest grew up to be her father
it got to the point when the boys where little that because of the racial abuse she endured she thought it would be best to have them all put into care
One memory my father inlaw told me about was the day before there family home was set on fire
he said he was in the shop with his mum and there where three men in the shop who where all very nice and polite and told his mum she could go first in the que when she was in the shop the men started to verbally abuse her things like yeah best let the paki go first, dont let it touch you, something stinks in here and so on and so
That is racism that is disgusting and so is chucking that word about just because you dont agree with something

don't be fooled by this racist scumbag.

i watched a documentary about him before.

he was all nice to the camera, and when he was out drinking with his buddies he was just a racist pr*ck to any coloured person he met.

How can he say oh these guys get away with it when the rapists in question were arrested and sent to prison?

a football hooligan who is not ashamed of his violent past

association with the BNP.

I'd rather see people like him kicked out of britain that the 99.9% of decent Muslims.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

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The truth is, that only from moderate Muslims standing up and being vocal will come any kind of peace or reduction in violence and rhetoric.


The same will occur with Islam, once the moderates take over and share their thoughts and opinions.


~Tenth

With all due respect, this is the bit I can't agree with at all. The problem with moderates is that they have no inclination to take anything over, so that will probably never happen, and the root of the problem with Islamic extremists, as with most other kinds, is that they are absolutely convinced that they alone are right, and will listen to NO-ONE, not even moderate Muslims. There will be no reduction in violence and hateful rhetoric from this section of Islam, and to believe otherwise is naive. They won't be happy until we are all living under Sharia law, and it could surprise us how easily and quickly this *could* happen if we let it.

It's not just Islamic extremists I have an issue with....it's extremists of any kind, so please spare me the accusations of being an Islamophobe.