"An Unusual Global Situation." - New H7N9 & MERS Coronavirus, Threaten an Unprecedented Pandemic.

reply to post by texasgirl


I suppose it's possible. The Galveston Bio-lab lost the Guanarito virus in March.

These companies hold all of the top tier deadly viruses, from all around the world; and who knows where Saudi Arabia just sent NCoV.

Anything can happen. It's important to take everything into consideration. Especially in this day & age. After all, that lab was the closest place anything like SARS could be guaranteed to be found.

So, now that we know...

- H7N9 is becoming resistant to Tamiflu,
- H7N9 can combine combine and mutate with Swine-Flu
- H7N9 is Airborne and can spread between 'mammals.'

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I think it is safe to assume, that the possibility of this strain mutating even further, and becoming easily transmittable between humans is more than likely at this point, -- The key facts listed above, explain why that could spell disaster for many.

To put things in a little better perspective - the Swine-Virus was first detected in humans in 2009. Followed shortly there after, by the 2009 Flu Pandemic Outbreak.

And now, due to new concerns, and newer test kits provided by the CDC, there have been over 10,000 confirmed cases in the U.S., and 17 deaths attributed to the disease.

(The source below is a map showing confirmed U.S. cases of swine flu - sorted by state.)

Confirmed US Cases of Swine Flu

The Center for Disease Control is reporting 10,053 cases and 17 deaths due to Swine Flu in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia.

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The swine-virus has always been common in animals such as pigs. etc. But if we take another look at the key plot points in this ever-changing storyline... I think the potential 'threat' begins to emerge; and it becomes clear that this new strain of H7N9 is in-fact, much different than any of its predecessors.

- H7N9 is becoming resistant to Tamiflu,
- H7N9 can combine combine and mutate with Swine-Flu
- H7N9 is Airborne and can spread between 'mammals.'

reply to post by Happy1

Originally posted by Happy1
It would be interesting to see the "incubation" time lines of these "viruses"?

New reports indicate that the 'incubation period' of MERS-CoV may be longer than once thought.


Coronavirus incubation period may be longer than suspected

The incubation period for the new MERS coronavirus may be longer than has been believed up until now.

French doctors report that a man who caught the virus from an infected patient he shared a hospital room may have gone 12 days before developing symptoms.

www.ctvnews.ca...

reply to post by iunlimited491

Haha! I'm not trying to spread fear porn! Lol!

Haha! Yes you are! Lol!

I'm just trying to keep those who are interested, informed.

Then you know that there are already a ton of threads on viruses. Adding more sensationalized Tabloid style dribble to the "Unusual Global Situation" is just exactly that : doom porn.

I brought the CDC links in both threads because I am tired of running it down to people that there isn't any "outbreak" of this "plague" yet. There have been a few deaths in a few clusters of a new variant of an old virus thats been around forever. The clusters are "over" (not spreading), and even the CDC states (in those links) that they don't even recommend changing your travel plans. But I see you chose not to include them in your thread. So I did.

BTW, I used to be a self appointed 'Its already posted' Mod and I don't do that anymore. It rains on newer members parade. Let the mods do their job.

The lowest is, "I already posted it here". JMO

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I saw this image of flight paths and thought of this thread. Looks like the safest place to be is central Africa right now.

reply to post by intrptr

Originally posted by intrptr
I brought the CDC links in both threads

No you didn't. You only posted them in "that other thread." All you posted here was a link to a thread that was already referred to this one, and was inevitably going to be closed.

I am tired of running it down to people that there isn't any "outbreak" of this "plague" yet.

Then you should stop trying. This is the 'disease and pandemics' forum for a reason.

There have been a few deaths in a few clusters of a new variant of an old virus thats been around forever.

In 1918, a flu-outbreak was responsible for the deaths of about 25 million people. Imagine if something like that happened again... even if it were only HALF as bad.

The clusters are "over" (not spreading),

I'm sure Asia and Saudi Arabia would be thrilled to hear this. You should call them, and let them know.

BTW, I used to be a self appointed 'Its already posted' Mod and I don't do that anymore. It rains on newer members parade. Let the mods do their job.

The OP of that thread joined 3-7-2011. I joined 8-26-2011. That would make me a 'newer' member than said OP. I was messing around in the first place, note the *stretch* and the (wink-face). And believe me, I have let the mods do their job plenty of times, in my case. I also didn't prevent the mods from doing their job in the aforementioned thread.

The lowest is, "I already posted it here". JMO

I can assure you, it can get lower. IMO.

reply to post by Tsu322

Very cool picture. Thanks for that.

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And speaking of Africa,

Unknown disease kills over 100 children in Benin

More than 100 people, mostly children aged between four to 17, have died in the past four weeks from a disease yet to be scientifically identified in Benin.

In the last four weeks, Dekin has reported over 100 deaths which have been caused by a disease that causes the victims to vomit blood and have strange snoring," the television explained.

www.globaltimes.cn...

reply to post by iunlimited491

This is the 'disease and pandemics' forum for a reason.

You mean "Swine Flu and Pandemics".

What Pandemic?

Wiki

You're over dramatizing. Actual Pandemics like Malaria or Aids too "ordinary"? They are the real killers. I know,

Old News...

If we are to garner interest we have to make it sound "NEW" and "Unusual" or "threatening the whole world".

Right?

MERS-CoV has shown a kill rate of about 50%, so far.

Not to mention the WAY you go with this, and how quickly. This is actually a pretty scary one, especially since you can simply think you have the flu.

I have the flu right now. But, yesterday, my wife made her infamous home remedy soup (think chicken noodle, but with peppers, onions, cabbage (you don't even know it's there...I hate cabbage, so trust me), and fresh minced garlic). Wash that down with some vitamin C infused drink, and well, I'm back to work today at least (and feeling a lot better).

reply to post by intrptr

Originally posted by intrptr
You mean "Swine Flu and Pandemics".

Uh.... ? (o_O)?.. No?

Diseases and Pandemics: This forum is dedicated to the discussion of growing global crisis represented by Avian Flu, Swine Flu, pandemics, and medical industry news, information, government cover-ups or conspiracy speculation connected to wide-spread diseases.

If we are to garner interest we have to make it sound "NEW" and "Unusual" or "threatening the whole world".

Right?

I guess?..

(wtf??)
lololololol!

reply to post by Gazrok

Glad you're feeling better.

I keep seeing everybody mentioning Vitamin C, Vitamin C... I know it's good for the immune system, but I'll have to look into its full range of capabilities a bit more.

If Tamiflu becomes 100% ineffective against H7N9, a lot more people will be searching for these types of remedies.

reply to post by iunlimited491


Take a look at the Liposomal Vitamin C thread here on ATS.

It is remarkable and I have made a ton of the stuff; from personal experience it has anti-viral properties unmatched in any substance by comparison.

The Liposomal Vitamin C prevents RNA manipulation at the cellular level. Because it is delivered to the cell in a Liposome the lipids release the vitamin C material directly into the cell upon contact with the cellular wall (also a lipid). Once the Vitamin C is inside the cell, it prevents anything from altering RNA; so the virus cannot use that cell to reproduce itself moving forward.

Prevent reproduction of viruses, prevent spread within the body of the infected.

God Bless,

reply to post by iunlimited491

I guess?..

(wtf??)
lololololol!

Thats a good place to end this "discussion", (ahem) Doctor...

Next time before you clog ATS with threads about "Pandemics", check with the CDC first? They will be on top of it, I promise.

reply to post by intrptr


Are you retarted?

I interrupt this thread (while staying on topic) to bring you a special health advisory. Please stand by......


It is advised that all persons not wanting to catch and suffer from any flu like viruses should do the following.

1. Upon seeing a nearby person cough, hold your breath for at least 8 seconds. Viruses will fall to the ground after being spewed out of the mouth of another human. It takes 4 seconds for this to happen so holding your breath for 8 seconds will improve your chances of not inhaling a virus. Don't assume its no big deal. All coughs can be potentially dangerous.

2. Do not touch your face. Don't put your fingers in your nose, or in your eyes, or in your mouth. Viruses can be picked up on your hands and carried into the body by inserting your fingers where they ought not be.

3. Wash your hands often. Use a hand sanitizer as well. If you can't do either right away, follow number 2 above.

4. Stay clear of any persons known to be sick.

5. If a pandemic occurs in your area, buy enough food to last 90 days. Stay in your house. Do not let others in. The virus will eventually burn itself out and you will be clear of the threat after about 90 days.

6. When the pandemic is over. make sure you have weapons for defense as there won't be any police department people on hand to help you in the lawlessness to come.


This has been a special health advisory..... We now return you to this most important thread......

Originally posted by texasgirl
I noticed some posters on here saying the illnesses were next to Biolabs. Any chance it was contaminated and jumped the lab?

This is something that totally baffles me. We know that living things are driven by (for want of a better word) a program, that is to procreate and spread. This is what all life does. We cannot even build structures to contain Humans - our own species that we have almost a complete understanding of - and yet we think we can even adequately control a virus, microscopic, deadly, a life form older than we are...?

Once again, it's evidence of our incredible arrogance to think that we can so easily control something, as though we are superior. The fact of the matter is that we are in a losing war with viruses of this kind, so clearly we are not as clever as we think we are.

It angers me that these labs are so close to Humans, and we think just walls and glass and "protocols" can prevent one of the cleverest life forms we have ever witnessed from escaping. These facilities should be miles from any population, with quarantine levels to prevent anyone infected from being able to leave. We quarantine dogs when they fly from one country to another FFS, and that's not even for such deadly diseases! And yet we have people meddling with these weapons of mass destruction right in the middle of populations.

As for the updates, it is pretty scary, but I'm keeping my level headed attitude that much of this could also be exaggeration. There doesn't seem to be much evidence that this is bigger than is being reported, just suggestions by some that it could be. When I see citizen journalists publishing videos of them bringing bodies out of homes and exposing a cover-up, then I'll believe it.

While we're panicking about finding a treatment able to beat it, we should also be working on materials and products for mass production to prevent infection. As far as I know there is no real concerted effort to create publicly available methods of preventing contamination beyond what you might find in any hospital.

There needs to be more investment in prevention as well as cure.

MERS Update:

Coronavirus death toll rises to 30 with three more reported victims in Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia has reported that three more people have died from a new respiratory virus related to Sars, bringing the total number of deaths globally to 30.

The Ministry of Health said the three deceased, ranging in age from 24 to 60, had chronic diseases, including kidney failure. It says they were hospitalized a month ago.

The World Health Organization said the new virus, a respiratory infection, was first seen in the Middle East and has affected more than 49 people worldwide.

DOH on 'heightened alert' against SARS-like Middle East coronavirus

Given that around 16,000 overseas Filipino workers arrived from the Middle East in the first quarter of 2013, the Department of Health is on “heightened alert” against cases of the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV).

A report aired on GMA 7's “24 Oras” said that even though the DOH has yet to issue an advisory on the MERS-CoV and no case has yet been reported in the Philippines, the Ninoy Aquino International Airport's thermal scanner now operates a full 24 hours. Doctors and nurses are also on hand to assist passengers.

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Below is a good map, showing - suspected, probable, confirmed, and fatal cases of the Novel-Coronavirus.

maps.google.com...

Suspected Cases - Yellow
Probable Cases - Purple
Confirmed Cases - Pink
Fatal Cases has - No dot

MERS update:

Italy announces first case of SARS-like coronavirus

Italy reported its first case of the SARS-like coronavirus on Friday, a 45-year-old man who had been travelling in Jordan, the health ministry said.

The patient was in good condition and was being monitored in isolation, the ministry said in a statement. He was admitted to a hospital in Tuscany with a high fever, a cough and breathing difficulties.

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