So you think Qaddafi was a bad guy?

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reply to post by AwakeWeAre


Your YouTube link is all jacked up so I'll post a Gaddafi video I like.

reply to post by AwakeWeAre


Nope ! Never did. I haven't read to deeply into your OP or watched the video yet, you'll get no argument from me about his leadership. First star and flag is from me.

reply to post by Swills


Thanks my friend for hooking the video up. My first attempt to post a video. Just wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to see this because the MSM painted a bit of a different picture of him, not that anyone on ATS pays attention to that crap anyway.

AWA

No need to watch the vid. I have researched the topic and he was a man I can admire.

Many leaders have faults and we just have to look at the current Obama Admin to prove it. The difference being is that Obama has absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

There is no such thing as an electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

There is no interest on loans; banks in Libya are state-owned and loans are given to all citizens at 0 percent interest.

Housing is considered a human right in Libya. Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had one. Gaddafi’s father died while he, his wife and mother were still living in a tent.

All newlyweds in Libya receive 60 000 Libyan dinar (about R383 000) from the government to buy their first flat and to help them start up a family.

Education and medical treatment are free. Before Gaddafi came to power, only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today the figure stands at 83 percent.

If a Libyan wanted to farm, he would receive farming land, a farming house, equipment, seeds and livestock to kick-start his farm – all for free.

If citizens were unable to find the education or medical facilities they needed in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it. Not only was this all for free but they also received $2 300 a month for accommodation and a car allowance.

If a Libyan bought a car, the government subsidised 50 percent of the price.

Petrol there costs $0.14 a litre.

Libya had no external debt and its reserves amounted to $150 billion, which has now been frozen globally.

If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of that profession until the graduate has found employment.

A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

Mothers received $5 000 every time they gave birth.

Forty loaves of bread in Libya costs $15.

Some 25 percent of the Libyan population have a university degree.

Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River Project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

And people are still asking what the hell happened? He was bringing peace and prosperity to his people WITHOUT a Rothschild/JP Morgan/Rockefeller controlled banking system and told the World that gold was the only currency he would deal with. Ask yourself this...where is the gold from Libya?

What other dictator has done this for his people?

So...what has Obama done for anyone except take America into a dictatorship, put martial law into play, spend more of your money than any other presidents combined, IRS, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Syria, Libya, ...

C'mon people, wake the hell up. Gaddafi was able to ride down the streets of his Country in an open car or walk down the sidewalk...Can Obama do the same without a tank on all sides?

Jude11

What Qaddafi provided for Libya and its people is an example to true leadership. The country was debt free, had free education and even free medical but not the cheap socialized type found in the other countries. The currency was backed by gold and thus not fiat nor were there any connections to the IMF or world banking cartel. Of course these things are unacceptable in the global schemes of things.

Granted Qaddafi had a sordid past but turned the page and worked to correct his image. It is obvious that the banking cartel and the US had other ideas. With the CIA funded rebels led by Al Queda and then murdering Qaddafi, Libya has sunk into chaos.

Within two days of Qaddafi's murder, 144 tonnes of gold vanished and Benghazi is ransacked. However the story doesn't end there, it continues with the attack on the US's embassy and the killing of ambassador Stevens. These things would and could not have happened if Qaddafi was still in power and leading Libya.

reply to post by AwakeWeAre


just as rome destroyed carthage, for similar reasons,
no need to share the pie, if you can get rid of the competition.

history does not repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.

definitely earned his 72 virgins,
martyred as he was. [PBUH]

S&F

Although we can get into some heated discussions here on ATS, you will still find that most people here are pretty well informed. I don't think you will find many, if any, experienced members here that believe Qaddafi was a bad buy. It's pretty clear why he had to be killed, and in a way that would send a message to anyone that would chose their own people over the central banks.

The key clue was when the "rebels" set up a central bank even before Qadaffi was overthrown.

It was a classic ploy. Because Qaddafi did not want to play ball with the west, western leaders go on television and attempt to convince the masses that he needs to go, and they give a variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with their desire to remove this person from power. And it is not just Qaddafi. It happens all the time. Hugo Chavez, Saddam Hussein, etc, etc.

He was far from perfect. Did a bit to test the west until those air strikes back in the 1980's and then he was fairly happy to keep a low profile. Much like Saddam, he probably wasn't the funnest guy to deal with in terms of anybody who contested him in his own country. But unlike Saddam, he quit the international (you know what) waving contest ASAP when stuff got real. The carriers that could park right in the Mediterranean with a fairly short supply line from coastal NATO bases Europe ain't no joke.

Then for the longest time the West didn't care diddly about much of anything he did after "settling down". That was until he started to do things which seemed to spur economic independence for parts of northern and western Africa. Once a few nearby countries being helped by his development programs considered doing things like setting their own prices on oil exports, tapping aquifers to do their own agriculture in deserts, or cutting out the middlemen in regards to gold and gemstones...

Well, we know the rest of what happened from there.

Then of course after he's knocked out, where do these fringe Al Queida rebel groups show up and wreck things? Meh, something still smells there.

Still I don't think he did the good stuff just to be good, but rather it was a way to get back at the West by using economic rather than military strategy. It wasn't seen as harmful in most international affairs, so it was overlooked or even applauded by the UN. Unfortunate for him that TPTB still managed to find an excuse when the right situation came up.

To the people who followed him, he was good. To the people who didn't see eye to eye with him he was not good. The regular people in the society who didn't care will probably notice no positive change with the new government. They may even do worse.

That country is not something I personally should involve myself with. That country belongs to their citizens. I try to keep my nose out of where it doesn't belong. I wish more people would have that attitude

Good post,and excellent reference to the behavior of our U.S. leaders sell out behavior..selling out for "money?"

Yeah, real nice guy, harboring and training terrorists, bombing discos in Germany, blowing airplanes, yeah hes a real nice guy

COME ON ATS! The last comment to the Youtube video was 6 days ago! lets make ourselves heard!!!

reply to post by HomerinNC


Everyone touts this guys as a horrible monster but how do you know this?

How do you know he was like this Have you been to Libya and seen this yourself first hand or do you believe all the $hit that the mainstream media is feeding you?

Wake up America before it's too late and the $hit sandwich is being pushed down your throat with a jack boot behind it...

Originally posted by AwakeWeAre
Our government killed a good man in order to implement a Reserve system run by the Rothschilds.

Um .. no. You've bought into the candy coating without looking at the rot beneath. Our government helped kill a bad man and is implementing a NWO system that is probably just as bad. But in no way did our government kill 'a good man'. He was definately NOT a good man.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I agree he was an evil man like all them kind of dictators. Did he deserve his tortureous and humiliating death i would need to ask the survivors of his brutalities to know the answer to that.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Yeah, real nice guy, harboring and training terrorists, bombing discos in Germany, blowing airplanes, yeah hes a real nice guy

And tolerated rape of subordinate females in his ranks.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Yeah, real nice guy, harboring and training terrorists, bombing discos in Germany, blowing airplanes, yeah hes a real nice guy

You do know the Pan-Am Lockerbie "bombing" was really a false flag, right?
Linky

It would be nice if some of our Libyan members (should we have any) could confirm or refute the claims made in the posted video.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


Got anything else to corrobate this?