Homeland Security guidelines advise deference to pro-Shariah Muslim supremacists

In the following document, it is seen how Muslims will eventually establish Shariah Law in this country: with the help of the DHS.

This article goes over how DHS training guidelines are pro-Muslim, while they invest untold resources into tracking down these supposedly "violent right wing extremists." I mean seriously, come ON!

Check this out:

The Homeland Security document also seems to discount evidence unearthed by the Justice Department about the aims of some mainstream Muslim organizations, warning law enforcement not to rely on “unsubstantiated theories” and “conspiracies,” such as the belief that “many mainstream Muslim organizations have terrorist ties” or are “fronts for Islamic political organizations whose true desire is to establish Sharia law in America.

Is that right.

Now how many videos have been posted here at ATS showing Muslims marching down the street screaming for Shariah Law? Conspiracy theory? BS! It's the damn truth!

Look at the problems they've been having in Europe with it, where now some Muslims are taking it upon themselves to enforce Shariah Law in common neighborhoods that want nothing to do with Shariah Law? Must I dig up the videos?

How many times have we seen the outright hypocrisy of Muslims when confronted with this, that their ultimate goal is indeed to rule this country, trash the Constitution, and enslave this population to a bunch of religious beliefs? I mean granted, to a degree we already are, but sorry, out of those two, Christianity and Muslimhood, I'm taking the lesser of two evils! I prefer no evil at all.

Seriously though, go read this article and check the actual document posted.

dailycaller.com...

And in closing, the article points out:

The 2009 report also defined “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also those who reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority and who “are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

The 2009 report’s authors conceded that DHS “has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence.”

CHANGE I CAN'T believe in.

No. Fricken. Way.

So a DHS memo telling people to not buy into all of the Islamophobia BS is paving the way for Sharia law in America. Fearmonger much? The Christians have been trying to take over this nation for over 200 years and haven't been able to do it what makes you think the Muslims will be able to get the job done?

reply to post by TrueAmerican


it's probably Plan B
if a race war can't be triggered
go with religious war [M.E. Style]

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Christian dominionism has been trying to their own version of Shariah law for centuries. We all know that Christian dominionists do not represent the entire Christian demographic. This is saying the same thing for Muslims.

If you insist that all Muslims are Shariah law zealots, then I say we mark all Christians as dominionists. It sounds stupid because it is stupid.

DHS targets groups by their doctrine. Not all Muslim groups want Shariah and not all Christian churches want to stone gay people in the street.

I'll give Islam deference n the United States about 1 day after carrying a Bible into Saudi Arabia isn't an arrestable offense...right at the airport. In terms of a religion that shows little to NO tolerance, our nation sure bends over backwards to accomodate it on every level. While Christians are sued and ridiculed openly for little white crosses to memorialize a highway traffic fatality (among dozens of examples I can cite), we install foot washing stations on University Campuses for Islam and defer to their almost fanatic separation of the Genders..despite absolutely no similar tradition to adapt from here.

I welcome those from the Islamic faith ....if assimilation if their goal. Not conversion. Only ignorance fails to see the glaring difference there. It's assimilation into the new culture (ours) just as we'd be expected to do if moving into their culture and a Muslim nation.

What part of that is so incredibly hard for some to grasp? Failure to assimilate is what breeds the resentment ...not Islam itself. There is more than just Islamic principles and Sharia I see it with. It's just among the most visible since our own Government is fighting and killing Islamic radicals while trying to pretend that even the radical elements aren't motivated by radical Islam.

The Daily Caller is SUCH a piece of crap! The DHS memo says:

One can have radical thoughts/ideas, including disliking the US government, without being violent: for example, trainers who equate the desire for Sharia law with criminal activity violate basic tenets of the First Amendment.

Countering Violent Extremism Training - Do's and Dont's

Besides, if Muslims want to practice Sharia Law here, as long as it doesn't violate our own laws, I don't see a problem. Plenty of non-Muslim people here have radical thoughts/ideas, including disliking the US government... It's a matter of free thought and free speech.

Not surprisingly, this is just another anti-Muslim hate piece from the Daily Caller.

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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I'll give Islam deference n the United States about 1 day after carrying a Bible into Saudi Arabia isn't an arrestable offense...right at the airport.

So, am I understanding you to say that when Saudi Arabia (a foreign country) changes their form of government to suit YOU, you'll respect the tenet of freedom of religion here in the US? ...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I'll give Islam deference n the United States about 1 day after carrying a Bible into Saudi Arabia isn't an arrestable offense...right at the airport.

So, am I understanding you to say that when Saudi Arabia (a foreign country) changes their form of government to suit YOU, you'll respect the tenet of freedom of religion here in the US? ...

Now you know full well that is not what I'm saying and debate vs. fight is defined by statements precisely like that one.

To state this another way, if it may be better for clarification? When the nation that forms the heart, Soul and spirituality center for the Muslim faith...taken as a most logical example....shows even the least bit of tolerance for anyone else? I'll entertain the whining of those who follow it, for how their every wish and desire isn't catered to here.

As it stands, the United States has, in place, a very robust system to address any complaints of true discrimination and/or intolerance which results in damage. The Court system and specifically, the Civil courts. It's a venue that CAIR is very familiar with for how well it functions.

Outside of that? The U.S. has just ONE legal system. Not two or three or ten. ONE. If they have issues with that, I'd welcome them to board the next flight to a nation which has the system they prefer. We do not and we never will. As much as Muslim is a growing % and near equal in the top 2 Faiths World Wide? This isn't Saudi Arabia or Indonesia. We have a minority Muslim population, not majority...by ANY hint or imaginative interpretation.

So....assimilation, again, is the key word. Not conversion. Assimilation. If they want to JOIN our Culture? By all means.. Welcome! If they want to CHANGE our culture or live in their own little country within a country for culture and law? Kindly go ELSEWHERE with it. We are, after all, a Union of States ....not a State of Unions. Michigan is working on a population base to say they have fair Muslim %'s by that alone ...but even that isn't remotely close to policy change level ..in even the one state.

I hope that's a bit clearer as to my precise thinking and meaning on it. I'd hate for someone to SO badly misstate my beliefs, for the record.

Seems like there's an awful lot of Muslims running around screaming for Shariah law for it to just be a "conspiracy theory."

They're basically lumping it in with the moon landing hoax, even though there are literally hundreds of videos showing, websites and blogs devoted to, books written about, and news reports and articles written about Muslims wanting Shariah law.

Edit: Dr. R.C. Sproul and Abdul Saleeb sat down for a couple of hours or so on the radio not long after 9/11 for Dr. Sproul to ask Saleeb, a former Muslim turned to Christ, questions concerning the truth of Islam and its relation to what Muslims in the spotlight on television and far-left relativist Americans were making claims of (that Islam is a religion of peace, etc.). Very informative if you have the time: www.ligonier.org...

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They're basically lumping it in with the moon landing hoax, even though there are literally hundreds of videos showing, websites and blogs devoted to, books written about, and news reports and articles written about Muslims wanting Shariah law.

As the old saying goes "want in one hand # in the other see which one happens". They have every right to call for Sharia law they are granted that under Freedom of Speech. But seeing how the constitution is against following a central religion it's something that will never happen.

Originally posted by buster2010
They have every right to call for Sharia law they are granted that under Freedom of Speech. But seeing how the constitution is against following a central religion it's something that will never happen.

The Constitution also allows for the right to bear arms and we can all see how that's evolving.

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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Now you know full well that is not what I'm saying and debate vs. fight is defined by statements precisely like that one.

I am checking my understanding of what you said with YOU before I proceed. I was neither debating nor fighting.

When the nation that forms the heart, Soul and spirituality center for the Muslim faith...taken as a most logical example....shows even the least bit of tolerance for anyone else? I'll entertain the whining of those who follow it, for how their every wish and desire isn't catered to here.

I'm hesitant to ask if I understand this statement correctly. Let me ask you this: When Christians complain about abortion being legal and gays getting married (for which they have no tolerance), do you entertain their whining about not being catered to?

There is a basic misunderstanding in the US of Islamic law. It's not a replacement of our laws that they desire. NO ONE is talking about Sharia law replacing US secular law. It's just like Christians using biblical law to live their lives.

The lens of state power is not the only way to see law. Jewish halakha is one example. The scholar-created doctrines of Islamic law are another. Both are complete systems of law that do not need state power in order to govern individual behavior. This is why, when American Muslims say that they live according to sharia, this does not mean that they want government enactment of Islamic law. Their request that American law recognize their choice of religious rules in their lives is not a demand that American law legislate Islamic law for everyone. To think so is to fundamentally misunderstand what Islamic law is, the fact that it differentiates between God’s Law and the human interpretations thereof, and how Islamic law operates in practice. Much of the confusion in the United States regarding sharia would be untangled if Americans could appreciate these realities, however unfamiliar.
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Here in the United States, there is no threat to American law presented by American Muslims seeking to live by sharia. There is also nothing particularly novel about some Americans wanting to follow religious laws that differ from the law of the land. American Muslims are merely the latest of many religious groups in the United States whose religious practices have presented continuing opportunities for American law to define the contours of what religious freedom means in our constitutional system that protects the free exercise of religion. - See more at: www.ispu.org...

Sharia is as much a threat to our Constitution as Bible verses calling for the stoning of adulterers or the genocidal directive in Deuteronomy to leave “alive nothing that breathes.” Like the Old and New Testaments, Sharia has its own conflicts and tensions with modern conceptions of gender equality and citizenship. To suggest that banning Sharia or the Bible is the only way to ward off the stoning of women or the execution of apostates is clearly, maliciously false.

Read more: www.thenation.com...

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Well, perhaps we are coming from very different understandings of what is being talked about here. Where Sharia Law wouldn't conflict or overlap US law, it's a non-issue as much as simply following their religion in any other way. In fact, it's literally the same, so why need the terms? It isn't the most helpful image to come to mind from modern media and what Jihadists, in particular, release themselves and about themselves.

Where it would have some conflict with US law, we get into real bad places and very quickly. Cultural application of legal theory can have bad outcomes. Honor killings are one. Some extremists...and the US has plenty of all flavors, including Islam, think females don't need education and are subservient to males, by force if necessary. That's fully supported by law in home nations to Islam as a state Faith. It's inline to how I've heard Muslims talk about their own vision of Sharia applied in ideal societies.

So, where we'd disagree then is where we'd want to clarify just what we're each talking about in what isn't in line to current US law....as the only area of question we would seem to have. Then, how none of it would be objectionable by law or values?

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But it is in the name of tolerance. Can't you understand that?

Maybe someone can explain it to me, Because I cannot either.

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So, if they only want to have the right to live their OWN lives that way (by sharia law), then what is preventing them from doing so? I had no idea that's what this outcry of wanting sharia law was about! How exactly is this group being prevented from going about their lives as they wish? We need to stop this discrimination now! So what exactly needs to be done in order to allow them to live their lives as they choose? I NEVER thought such a thing could happen in the USA! How can we deny them their religious freedom???

You seem to know what's going on, can you explain how they are being prevented from living their own private lives according to their religious beliefs? Then maybe we can get started on solving the problem. I still can't believe I had no idea that this kind of persecution was going on and on such a widespread level in this country!

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Let me ask you this: When Christians complain about abortion being legal and gays getting married (for which they have no tolerance), do you entertain their whining about not being catered to?

That is part of all three of the Abrahamic religions and goes even deeper than those religions. I think the point is that the west is the most tolerant. Especially now with so many states finally allowing gay marriage.

Its funny watching people type so negatively about Sharia Law. However, I do understand that most don't know what it is exactly. Do some research about Sharia Law before saying its taking over countries and you will realize that it is one of the most glorified aspect of Islam with valid reason. Sharia Law is very flexible and is ALREADY a part of all law in the world ! People think Sharia Law??!!! That means we all have to bow down to Islam and wear stupid hats F@#%K THAT!.. People think oh they committed a crime.. why are they so cruel to take off his hand? This western Ideology ( me being raised in the west as well) I still don't understand. So let me get this straight, a person stole your goods that you were planning on selling and took away from your livelihood. Why in the world would you not want to deter others from doing the same thing? All these criminals nowadays see a huge welcoming sign. Like we are saying "go ahead be a criminal its fun and we will pay for your criminal acts" ... Hmm i see so i'm in real need of money, i'm tired of living in a system which works against me and my family hates me.. here's a thought why not go rob a few banks (or try to) or figure out a way to steal a lot of money, live like a king, and when you get caught make sure to bring your xbox to the jail cell with you. That's all youll need since we pay for everything else...


This is only one portion of Sharia Law. Sharia law is very flexible and is meant to be that way. It is all encompassing however there is room for everything to include a constitution. No one here is trying to kill you via Sharia Law. No one will take over your country via Sharia Law. This paranoid behavior is a clear indication that western propaganda is truly working even on those who claim to be "awaken"

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Many see the systematic injection of Islamic culture into Western Civilization as a benign process. Few children of Western Civilization take them time to study the last 1,400 years of history. Even fewer ponder how "explorers" from Western Civilization found themselves on the shores of America. The facts of history clearly show that since the rise of the Islamic Empire, the people of The West have been on the run for their lives. In nearly every single instance Western peoples have found themselves outwitted and outmaneuvered by the subtle and deadly deception of the muslims engaged in Jihad.

This nonstop Jihad eventually conquered the trade routes to the East. Western Civilization, under siege by the Islamic Empire, suffering defeat after defeat by the muslim horde, now found itself without overland trade routes.

Western Civilization had no other choice. We had to find routes that did not take us into muslim controlled lands and certain death at the hands of jihadis. The peoples of The West set sail, not out of a desire to explore, but in a desperate bid to find trade routes to the East to replace the overland routes now closed to them by the muslims.

To think that Islam or Sharia have any place at the table of Western Civilization is utter foolishness.

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"Christian dominionism has been trying to their own version of Shariah law for centuries. We all know that Christian dominionists do not represent the entire Christian demographic. This is saying the same thing for Muslims."

The Christian West, and indeed all of Western Civilization, has been on the run from the Islamic Empire for centuries. Driven like animals from our ancestral homes by the relentless Islamic Jihad, suffering as our children were dragged off to be made into janissaries, pushed into poverty and dhimmitude in our own lands, and economically starved as our trade routes, our lifelines, were mercilessly severed by the muslims.

Your made-up notion of "Christian Dominoinism" does not jibe with historical facts.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic But the Muslim faith actually does talk about enforcing Sharia law over the entire United States,(in fact, over the entire world) with the flag of Sharia flying over the white house. Not only that, but Sharia law is counter to the laws we hold dear. For example, do you agree that if a man's daughter is raped, or she goes with a non-Muslim man, or if she just becomes too westernized, he has the duty of honor and the right to kill her? How can we allow this type of 'law' in our nation? I suggest you go over to www.memritv.org if you are curious to find out what the imams are saying in their Friday pep talks to the Muslims. Their desire is to take the whole world, whether by our willingness or by force, and if our heads get in their way, off they will come.