Umbrella Gate...Marines asked to violate dress code protocol so President doesn't get wet

Wow...kinda a non issue but yep thats what they drummed into our heads..."Marines don't use Umbrellas!"

reply to post by macman


And that makes a difference how?

Are the marines the only branch of the military that are barred from holding umbrellas?

This whole thread is absurd.

The question i have is this: Did anybody inform or remind Obama of this dress code protocol? If not then his staff, the marines, or anyone with knowledge of this protocol should have said something. I am no lover of Obama, but there are much more heinous things that could be focused on besides this.

Now, if Obama was fully aware of this protocol and ordered/demanded that they do it anyways, that is a whole different ballgame. That would show his arrogance and lack of respect for the military and the american people.

I really don't know where i stand on this, should be interesting to see if any comment is made regarding this incident.

DC

People act like Obama was behind this. When you watch him he was surprised by them showing up with umbrellas. It is not like he will quit because of rain.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Is that also true for Bush Sr. and Bush Jr., who have also had marines hold umbrellas for them?

Pictures

edit on 5/17/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

After seeing this, i would like to retract my previous statement.

In my country soldiers, warriors and marine get saluted to - in your country they hold umbrellas.

cést la vie

I'm of the opinion that every elected and appointed official who works for the Federal Government in D.C. should be rounded-up and put into camps for what they've continued perpetuating on this country and the world.

But this is the most absurd and ridiculous thread on this site.

LOL...I only responded because way back in the day I still remember my DI telling us "If I ever catch any of you carrying a umbrella I will personally shove it up your a$$ and make you run five miles with it in there"

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In my country, Marines salute the president. He is their Commander in Chief. They also volunteer to the president's service at the White House and open and close doors and do what he requires and requests, including holding umbrellas.

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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
(Pukes in anger)

That is the funniest thing I've read all day!

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What ever happened to being a officer and a gentleman?

Here's more from The Blaze

The manual states that a commander “may interpret the provisions of this Manual to address specific concerns whenever necessary.”
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TheBlaze contacted the the Marines’ and was also referred to Title 10 responsibilities of the United States Code, specifically this portion of the section (emphasis added):
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the Marine Corps shall provide detachments and organizations for service on armed vessels of the Navy, shall provide security detachments for the protection of naval property at naval stations and bases, and shall perform such other duties as the President may direct.
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Given that the president is defined as the Commander in Chief “of the Army and Navy of the United States…” by the Constitution and that fact that the Marines’ dress code protocol says “the Commandant or higher authority” can authorize “articles that are not authorized for wear as a part of a regulation uniform,” is the president considered a commander with this ability?

The spokesperson for the Marines said “certainly.”

Sorry guys. Obama was PERFECTLY in order when he asked for the Marines to hold the umbrellas and the Marines were PERFECTLY in order to do so. Dress code was NOT violated.

Gosh, and here I thought we had another scandal! Looks like, once again... well, you know the rest.

This proves it! Has anyone ever seen "Signs?"

I heard the audio today and it wasn't exactly an "order"...The President "asked" the Marine to hold the umbrella.
Never having had the privilege to serve my country in the armed forces I'm guessing when the president "asks" you to do something, you don't say no.

How many people really know every line in that Marine code of conduct book? is it ingrained into your heads?
Any Marine can answer if they knew or know they are not allowed to hold an umbrella.

In my opinion he had 2 choices if he knew the umbrella code, again, not a Marine, dont know if that is common knowledge...

Choice 1: honor the presidents request and hold the umbrella.
Choice 2: respectfully decline stating marine regs.

Personally I think the young man did the right thing. Again, I am not a marine, but the president is the Commander-in-Chief.

Kind of reminds me of the soldiers guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier. whether they were asked or ordered to stand down during the hurricanes they did their duty and kept guard. Hopefully none of those men got a blemish on their record nor should these young men

Originally posted by muse7
non issue

Agreed and not a violation either...perhaps a move to the hoax bin! LOL

Originally posted by watcher3339
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Really? Exactly what part is a non-issue. The apparent arrogance toward or ignorance of operating protocol? While spending the last few days outraged and apologetic for what he doesn't know about myriad other aspects of the country he is leading? The anger this has stirred in those who have served and their families? Or the loss of support he has scored in those, like myself, who voted for him but are increasingly asking what the hell is up with all this nonsense.

It's an issue.

Its an issue if you already hate Obama. if your anybody else including the Marines you could care less. Here is an example of a Marine in uniform holding and umbrellla and he is praised for it be fellow Marines. www.grunt.com... Of course anybody in the military knows their chain of command and who is at the top of that chain. And if he asks you to do something you do it.

He didn't hold his hand over his heart during the National Anthem in his first run for office during a campaign stop and people either made something of it or pooh-poohed it. My guess is he didn't know the protocol then either. He isn't about anyone or anything but himself. He is self-absorbed and protocols are for the little people.

Originally posted by watcher3339
reply to post by muse7

 

Really? Exactly what part is a non-issue. The apparent arrogance toward or ignorance of operating protocol? While spending the last few days outraged and apologetic for what he doesn't know about myriad other aspects of the country he is leading? The anger this has stirred in those who have served and their families? Or the loss of support he has scored in those, like myself, who voted for him but are increasingly asking what the hell is up with all this nonsense.

It's an issue.

I still find it funny that the worst thing Obama's opponents can bring up about him this week is that a marine used an umbrella to cover him from the rain.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by squarehead666

But the Guantanamo hunger strike doesn't rate a mention?

Morons not eating in protest deserve no respect, nor sympathy.

I just finished a sandwich for them. It was great.


But....

But how does one in a moraly wrong prison protest? Food is one of the few things they have control over.

Originally posted by muse7
non issue

Unless you have served and understand what it means to be in regulation regarding uniform. Forgive me if I am assuming here. While technically we could say "who cares"; many veterans, retired or otherwise; have taken exception to this use.

Their job is to protect the White House and the President. It is an honorable detail to perform. Their job is not to be a personal butler.

Regardless, the Commander in Chief broke USMC regulations by ordering the marine detail to do what they did. They did it because they honor their detail, but I would have said no and told the president why it was an illegal order.

So in the grand scheme, yes, not a scandal. In the scope of many who have served and held close regulations they lived for many years, it is bothersome. But to you, their voices don't matter it seems.

Originally posted by MrSpad
Of course anybody in the military knows their chain of command and who is at the top of that chain. And if he asks you to do something you do it.

We know our chain of command but we also know our charge that we will not obey any unlawful order; including something as simple as uniform regulations. I agree it isn't some sweeping revelation of arrogance (I see piss-poor planning, doesn't the White House check the local weather for the day?).

As for the picture, that marine was saluted and applauded because he took initiative and cared less about uniform regulations to be a good solider and good citizen and most of all, a good person. Taking the initiative and "answering for it later" is much more different than being order to break regulation.

Military personnel are not drones who solely do what they are told because of the chain of command.

Military personnel are not drones who solely do what they are told because of the chain of command.

Isn't that what following orders is. Do military personnel do what they feel like, not as instructed?