Love

reply to post by Itisnowagain

The beginning of that video reminded me of "That akward moment when ...
Wow!
You just turned me on to a new set of videos to watch.
That was an awesome explanation of "lack" and what it really is internally with people.

(I had to put on headphones for the first video so I could get through her accent and this one was kind of quiet so I am glad I kept my headphones on)
That was very helpful!

Thank you!

reply to post by jiggerj


You fight back with love Jigger, unless it is to the point where it is pointless.
Even in "anger" at someone, we can still love them for being human. Hostile work environments suck. I've had a few jobs like that. I end up leaving eventually,
and it is their loss.

"Kill them with kindness" It is a motto I try to live by.

reply to post by Darkblade71


You are very welcome. I am glad you like what I offered.

Originally posted by duotri

Originally posted by steve95988
ya but how do you love those who are full of darkness?
Would not one want to stay away from those types, as they may fall into the darkness as well?

by changing your definition/attachment of the word love to unconditional acceptance of what is and accepting other human beings for who they are - not who you think they are supposed to be
it's all in the perception - and how you view things - you see someone full of darkness and i see someone playing out their role here on earth - nothing more - nothing less
what if you knew they signed up for this role and although you perceive them as "dark" - this "dark" is necessary for the whole?
what if you knew that every single human being is going to the same place after this lifetime - good/bad, light/dark, right/wrong and love/fear are nothing more than words/label/attachments - beyond duality we are all equal and only a thought/opinion/judgement can take that away

thank you very much,
thank you

No one (individual) can fall in love because they are locked into the separation - when there is no individual there is simply an in loveness with this.
This statement is in this video:

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by jiggerj

 

If they have no one to fight with they will not be able to fight.
You though will keep the fight going if you ball up your fist. What is it that you find harassing?

Do you think 'love' means you have to kiss them?

edit on 19-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Where I work there are three people that are simpleminded. They're not mentally damaged, but I would call them innocent and shallow (but in a good way). A few of the other workers harass the hell out of them (sort of), making their working lives miserable.

When I say harass, take for example one guy who just turned fifty. The bad guys tease him by calling him gay even though he's not. This makes the simple man absolutely miserable, almost to the point of tears. Now, one of the bad guys said to me, "I think Jigger likes the guys." Upon which I responded, "Hey! Some of my best friends are guys!" We laughed and went on with our work.

And that's it. The bad guys aren't that bad. It's just a matter of how the simpleminded people take it.

No matter how nice the simpleminded people are, it just feeds the desire in some to keep teasing them.

This fifty year old likes to hang around with me, so I suggested that he should tell the boss when the harassment gets too bad for him. He won't do it.

Then I said, "Look, are you gay?" Upon which he replied, "No."
So I said, "Then why should it bother you? Would it bother you if someone called you a mailbox?"
He laughed and said no.
I said, "Of course it wouldn't bother you because you're not a mailbox, right?"

He felt better after this, but within a day he was back to being miserable.

Sometimes love, or being very nice, or being childlike, is like wearing a sign on our backs. The sign being 'Kick me!'

Originally posted by jiggerj
Sometimes love, or being very nice, or being childlike, is like wearing a sign on our backs. The sign being 'Kick me!'

So to you love means being very nice or being childlike?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by jiggerj
Sometimes love, or being very nice, or being childlike, is like wearing a sign on our backs. The sign being 'Kick me!'

So to you love means being very nice or being childlike?

You don't?

A text-book example (James Praagh) of how con-artists use peace and love philosophical waxings to disguise and sugarcoat poopoo platters. Cue: "forget about the messenger, concentrate on the message" admonishments.

Originally posted by Darkblade71

I am going to watch that video, but wanted to comment before I do. This is very true, it is the lack of love, the need to fill something you know should be there and is missing that hurts the most. If love is not present, then you feel empty. Love is vital to the human spirit in many more ways than most people realize, spiritually, psychologically and physically, love is something we all need, and we all have it. It just is locked up in some people. They create cages around it,throw a dark blanket over it, and refuse to let it out or in. It goes both ways, but deep down inside EVERYONE has it.

Yeah, it's a hormone our bodies produces called oxytocin. It's not very mysterious anymore. But I don't think we want or need it quite for the same reason you think we do.

Originally posted by jheherrin
A text-book example (James Praagh) of how con-artists use peace and love philosophical waxings to disguise and sugarcoat poopoo platters. Cue: "forget about the messenger, concentrate on the message" admonishments.

A con artist huh

You ever met him yourself? Or just talking smack cause you don't know.
Please supply me with some con artist proof!

Would just love to see it
For every video saying he is a fraud or con artist, I bet I can find 10 that shows he is not, and because I have known JVP and his works for many years, I know you are talking smack.

As a side note, yep, there is chemical reaction love, but that is not what we are talking about here, totally different.

reply to post by tetra50

but I must tell you that no, I am not the creator of my own reality and it is downright abusive to say that to someone who has been just physically abused. Perhaps you need to reassess that YOU are the creator of that reality by even saying such a thing to someone in pain. I respect you, but I do not think you have a single clue what love really is, for you would never have responded that way to someone who was physically abused.

In defense of the saying you create your own reality I must say Please do not take offense for your choices in life.

Hate me for saying it but when all is said and done its our choices that bring us to where we are.

If we love another and chose to see where that love might take us, it might take you to a place you wish you never came to.

And it is a true evil, to blame those who are abused and turn the other cheek, for what they suffer.

Would they suffer the same if they chose not to turn the other cheek?

I have lived being hit and turned the other cheek and your response tells me you know nothing of true love, forgiveness, or even the reality of this world we inhabit.

So have many others, Corn tries sending love and an understanding in their own way and you take a gesture of personal truth as call it a true evil, maybe you should have turned your cheek at their reply.

Choices, learn that you made them and they are the reason you are standing where you are at this moment.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


You make good points, and, of course, I hate you for none of them.

However, perhaps some of us live further down the rabbit hole, than other, for you to observe, to understand, that there are some things without choice.
Quite a while back there was a movie that addressed this rather well, called, I believe, "Between Heaven and Earth." It was about a vietnamese woman who married a veteran of that war, came to this country, had many children and was very successful, but her husband, as a veteran, disintengrated. He beat her, couldn't deal with his memories of the war, etc.....

She went back home, eventually, and spoke with the "shaman" of her village. His answer to her was quite surprising. He said. "You and this man have been karmically entangled obviously for quite some time. No, it is not right what he does to you, but you must remain by his side in some way to solve this problem, or it will only present itself in another life, with different relationships....."


Now, I don't know if you ascribe to any of those beliefs, which here, would encompass reincarnation, karmic entanglement as well as quantum entanglement.....

But what I do know, is that this kind of problem, here, between men and women, and in families, is far too prevalent to ignore....
It is at least half, if not more, the reason many people self medicate, become alcoholics, repeat whatever their childhood unresolved issues were, or for that matter, their adult unresolved issues are....

I see a lot of people talk about mental illness, alcoholism, drug abuse, etc......but we never really GET TO THE ROOT of the issue. Laws and incarceration will not solve this. In fact, there is a whole penal and judicial system that makea money off it, and even if they are inclined to do the best for people, CANNOT hope to address it with incarceration, or diversion programs, etc..,.,

Most of us who self medicate, even if we seek psychiatric help, which is whole other story, end up dealing with it all our lives. It has become a HUGE business. If you have insurance, they make a whole bunch of money sticking you in a "rehabilitation" program..... It really doesn't work, statistically.

You know why people seek to get "high," in whatever way......it's pain. They are trying to deal with some kind of pain. The police, the judges, the courts, the prison system cannot solve the root of this problem. All this does is gives people jobs NOT solving the problem, and privatizing prison systems because of the high rate of recitivism.
In other words, it just repeats itself.


You wanna talk about love? I have found this thread to be, in particular, simple minded. "yeah, all you gotta do is love...."

Some of us have tried turning the other cheek, loving our enemies, and then fighting back, as well.....
When none of that works, and you are still a tortured soul, what are you to do? I am not the only one who would express this to you. This is RAMPANT, in my opinion, in what I have observed in my life...and experienced,.....

It isn't as simple as taking a walk, loving unconditionally, etc. Some of us have done all that, time and again, asked, prayed, begged for forgiveness, even if we did no wrong.......

Love isn;t the issue. Hatred is. Pain is.. Want to talk about a real thread, a real issue, what drives everything we see happening, and disentigrating before our eyes...this is the root of it.......No one really wants to talk about it honestly, because it's part of the whole system in place to give people jobs to solve problems that never really address the real problem.....

Sorry, that's my Humble Opinion. I have taken responsibility for plenty in my life....been more honest than most when it would have been more convenient to lie. I have sat in court, watched tha people, watched the pain....
We are slaves here, at least some of us. And we suffer for many to tell us we are NOT taking responsibility......when we would do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to end that pain, the cyclical non functioning that you see historically in familial relations and it goes forward and just reasserts itself all over again.....

It is much more complicated than this thread, IMHO, is dealing with. Forgive me, but I know all about unconditional love, even never having received it. I tried, over and over, loving what destroyed my life so many times over you wouldn't even believe it........

Turning the other cheek, fighting back, neither worked.......
And I am so tired of people telling me what love truly is, when they have no idea the pain, the acceptance, the fight, and STILL want to lay it at your doorstep.....
Thanks for your reply.
Tetra50

reply to post by InhaleExhale


Oh, and if you didn't get the point, yet, if you've done all the possibilities, it means there WAS NO CHOICE,
You know, some of us actually live by blackmail, and this isn't "choice." I know this is hard for some to accept, but you need only look around at the repetitive nature of what is happening between people and their relationships to see this.

I have read many of your replies on this site, and respect you.......I ask that you respect my own life experience and DO NOT preach to me about choice......I don't know what your life has been, but mine has contained few, if any, choice, whatsoever........

So, with the logical argument I already presented you with, I think you need to rethink how much "choice" any of us really have in this life, or any other, for that matter. There is not a single choice I made that put me where I am today.......for I have done, helped, loved, whenever, and whomever asked it of me, if I had it to give. So sorry, but I am the LAST person who needs to hear this....

I expect more from ATS members. On many threads, we discuss how little choice we have or are given, and yet, here we are talking about love, and everyone wants to talk about choice.......I have loved those who have given me pain you could never even get your head around, seeking to end the karmic entanglement that caused the initial pain.......


And been blackmailed, held hostage with everything good about my character, my love for my children, my love for my fellow human kind, etc........so preach to someone else about choice. If you were right, really, there would be little business for insurance companies and rehab facilities, and privatizing or prisons. If no one starts to get a grip on that, we are all destined to continue this same path.....just for the sake of people having jobs and "pretending" to solve and understand problems. What does your MMPI say? I know what mine does.......
And most of my life has not had "choice" involved with it at all, for I have tried every choice, to watch the very same happen again. And you can talk to many people on the street who will tell you the same.

For many years, I was TOO honest, took responsibility for things which were not mine, even knowingly, to save those closest to me. I am over that, and being preached to about my "choices." You aren't where you think you are. You don't have the "free will" you think you have. Sorry, that's MY experience. Perhaps, YOU do, but don't try to tell me what my life has been, or that it is an eventuality of "my choices," for I haven't really had any.

Perhaps, and I have though a lot about this lately, I need to write my own thread about this so called "choice," thing......Is blackmail, choice? To protect others, like your children? If you only are allowed to remember 10-% of your life when given this "choice," is that a "choice?"

Sorry, you don't know me and I don't know you. But I will not allow you to tell me what my "choices" have been, or to interpret my life in that way, for I have loved what has sought to give me pain and fought against it, too.....and neither made any difference whatsoever.
And what I proposed to you about drug addiction, relationship issues which are obvious today, if you cannot see that if manipulated in this society, for the sake of "BUSINESS and MONEY," then there is nothing I can say further to explain to you what the state of the world or society or all those people in prison means.......

reply to post by tetra50


If you do accept the reality of karma and reincarnation, then you would understand that all circumstances in life arise from desires, attachments, and actions in the past, both from this life and from previous lives.

This understanding does not transform the current situation, but it does help in attaining a balanced perspective. Heavy karmic clouds come into everyone's life, but if we can emerge from them without having added to our load, then that is a very positive accomplishment.

reply to post by mysticnoon


I agree and concur with you completely. That was the point, really, of my posts.....it is not just about YOUR choices, even is you accept you have them; it also about the choices of others.


Sorry, I dislike being preached to, and have felt this way in this thread, whether it was the reality or not. I have tried, more than anyone I have ever known, to love unconditionally, to forgive, to forget, to go on......


But there is something that does not allow this in my life, and I refuse to accept that it is my own choice, as I have tried every choice available to any human being......

Thanks for your subtle input....for it was subtle, and forgiving in its context. I see a world where people are suffering in their relationships, and simply reliving the same thing with every other person that becomes involved with them......It isn't just my own experience I am judging by. And I dislike the prevalence that I have seen develop over many years of blaming those who suffer that is by their own choice.....

If that were true, and if all the psychiatric science we have available to us, than this would be at an end, No?

So, it really isn't that simple, is it.

However, I respect any who reply to what I am trying to get across with equal respect.......but obviously, this is a HUGE problem amongst the social population, and it isn't as simple as you aren't LOVING RIGHT. Because some of us have given our all, unconditionally, and also fought to have our rights as humans respected, and neither thing has accomplished anything different for us.

This is why I referenced substance abuse and self medication: because those who choose that path, do so, because, many times, they have no other way to deal with their pain, no matter the honesty and goodness of their offering......or "CHOICES."

Listen I know a lot about love. I have loved and chosen to try to help people who would never do anything but try to hurt me, and known that, while doing so.....this to me, is the definition of unconditional love. I choose not to be preached to about this, because I have lived it, exhibited it, and paid the price for it......and fought otherwise,too....to take care of myself.

It just is not that simple. If it were, there would not be such a huge business in psychiatric care, the judicial system, diversion programs, etc........Implying that it is simply about your choice and your actions, is so fundamentally a kindergarten approach to a HUGE problem that answers crime, drug addiction, etc......that i find the answers I am receiving here, frankly, to be a large mirror of the whole problem.....

Let me put it this way: there are plenty of threads on this site about this thing: LOVE. Like it's just that simple.
Meanwhile, people are killing each other. And statistically, the people being killed are being killed by those who are closely related to them, whom they are supposed to love, by the definition of this thread, and by people who talk about this regularly.


My point is, something isn't working here, fundamentally. It is the NEXUS of capatalistic business and a measure of our health as a society. We have children killing other children. Something is VERY WRONG.

If you don''t get that, and simply talk about you make your own reality, blah, blah, blah, and this is all your own choice, you are totally, IMHO, missing the point of what is happening to our world. Sorry, but choice, be damned.
Obviously, many have chosen counseling, medication, whatever advice we could get or come by, fought very hard for others we loved, so that others we loved did not use them against us to hurt us.....

This is a VERY complicated issue.....and I have found this thread to be like a third grade approach to a very old problem, with no one caring, other than to say the same old sh##t" : it's your fault for the choices you made.

Well, that's been said for a very long time....and it has 't gotten us anywhere, has it? So maybe, just maybe we should consider some other approaches or thinking about this very subject, as it is truly the nexus of everything we see happening amongst us today.....
So before you judge me and my "choices," look around, get a grip, see what's really happening. Some of us have done everything suggested in these silly threads where we are judged for our choices and blamed for the outcomes........If that was accurate, we could all go to some clinic and be cured, couldn't we?

love is also an energy and love is a frequency...

love is the highest vibrational state possible in the Human form..

just like radio stations so are dimensions and the only way to rise up into a higher dimension is love...


love is the key...


know you are loved


Humane beings are hardwired for love




let's just love each other

reply to post by tetra50

You know, some of us actually live by blackmail, and this isn't "choice." I know this is hard for some to accept,

Yes because its a lie.

Blackmail or not there is always a choice. whether that choice leads to suffering of yourself or others or whether that choice is to die, you always in this reality we as humans reside in have choice, whether that choice is influenced by fear or love there is always choice. Doing nothing is a choice everything we do is a choice that's influenced by our environment and past experiences.


Sorry but we always choose our way whether we are conscious of that choice or not.


Enough preaching if you wish to see it that way, i am just projecting my perceived view of whys we ask ourselves

Originally posted by mysticnoon
reply to post by tetra50

 

If you do accept the reality of karma and reincarnation, then you would understand that all circumstances in life arise from desires, attachments, and actions in the past, both from this life and from previous lives.

This understanding does not transform the current situation, but it does help in attaining a balanced perspective. Heavy karmic clouds come into everyone's life, but if we can emerge from them without having added to our load, then that is a very positive accomplishment.

forgiveness is very powerful here

hop off the wheel through forgiveness of self and ALL others..