Spiritual universe

reply to post by deadeyedick


Exactly! Precisely! That's how I envision it.

reply to post by deadeyedick


you wrote:

" The reason is that we are only here on earth to grow spiritually and earth is one of the best places around to spiritually grow in order to have a decent place of existence among the stars.

It is pointless to physically get of this planet at this point in time. It should be obvious that we are physically bound here. I'm not claiming that there are no other life forms out there in this form just that all the great stuff is in the other realm. Once you reach all your goals here on earth you will be able to physically manifest in both realms and will be able to survive and travel in both. "

My response:

Those who are spiritually savvy will say that EARTH is really the "center" of the universe in that there is nowhere else where there is evolution taking place. It cannot be found in any place in the seemingly wide infinity of space in the universe. All cosmic beings from whichever world or dimension who want to evolve have to descend to Earth and assume a human form - this is the LAW.

Only here on earth can liberation be found and obtained. The goal of evolution is towards the attainment of Divinity. The stage after Humanity is Divinity. When the latter obtains, there is total freedom or liberation. So one must learn to appreciate the importance/significance of life of earth, the gift of time and the opportunities of each terrestrial incarnation.

The royal road to the attainment of Divinity, of liberation and freedom, must be paved inch by inch with the GRACE of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and this can only come about or obtain with the death (sacrifice) of the ego.

When you watch National Geographic documentaries, understand that the whole Web of Life itself is based, founded on this: SACRIFICE

Each animal sacrifices itself in order to keep another going, the species going, etc. Nature continually sacrifices herself - perpetually. She is the greatest Teacher here, albeit a silent one. No sacrifice - no life, no love.

So all the talk about ETs, EDs, etc being superior and more evolved (?) is not correct. Technologically advanced is not necessarily spiritually advanced. Unless they come down to earth and be born, they can't progress to Divinity. Hence, they are extremely concerned about the well being of Planet Earth - for destroying earth is destroying the very platform that makes life possible and destroying the opportunity to evolve to Divinity.

We are not mere earthlings, running around trying to earn a living to keep body, mind, soul together. We all have this singularly awesome gift/grace:

The Almighty, Divine, Beautiful God-Potential waiting to be realized, developed...

Namaste!

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
When the mind stops being concerned about next and before - time disappears.

edit on 10-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I experienced this after meditation two days ago.
The feeling is like I was never in the past.
It was like my childhood also happened in present time.
I really dunno how to describe this... It was like a glitch in my mind.

And now my mind is a bit confused with the time after this experience

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
When the mind stops being concerned about next and before - time disappears.

edit on 10-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I experienced this after meditation two days ago.
The feeling is like I was never in the past.
It was like my childhood also happened in present time.
I really dunno how to describe this... It was like a glitch in my mind.

And now my mind is a bit confused with the time after this experience

The mind will always be confused. The mind makes things up - things like time. The mind speaks of other when in reality - there is no other - they is only ever this that is happening presently. The talking mind is heard now - telling stories of 'other' times and 'other' places.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by InTheLight
Einstein speaks of the other as being space, therefore the marriage of space and time into spacetime.

Space is present always. The appearance is constantly changing in the space that never goes anywhere.

This space you are talking about... Is it my surroundings?

Coz lately I felt like I was not this body.
Another time I felt like I was in the bodies of others.
This morning I felt like I was watching this life through movie screen, Like I was not in this body, although I see through from these eyes (It was like my consciousness merge with the background)

Originally posted by deadeyedick
Once you reach all your goals here on earth you will be able to physically manifest in both realms and will be able to survive and travel in both.

So, babies that die at birth have reached their goals?

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by InTheLight
Einstein speaks of the other as being space, therefore the marriage of space and time into spacetime.

Space is present always. The appearance is constantly changing in the space that never goes anywhere.

This space you are talking about... Is it my surroundings?

Coz lately I felt like I was not this body.
Another time I felt like I was in the bodies of others.
This morning I felt like I was watching this life through movie screen, Like I was not in this body, although I see through from these eyes (It was like my consciousness merge with the background)

You are the space that contains all that arises. The image you are watching is seen by the space. You are like the still screen on which the appearance appears.
What you are never appears but is constant - whereas the image on the screen (that you are) is constantly moving and changing.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
When the mind stops being concerned about next and before - time disappears.

edit on 10-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I experienced this after meditation two days ago.
The feeling is like I was never in the past.
It was like my childhood also happened in present time.
I really dunno how to describe this... It was like a glitch in my mind.

And now my mind is a bit confused with the time after this experience

The mind will always be confused. The mind makes things up - things like time. The mind speaks of other when in reality - there is no other - they is only ever this that is happening presently. The talking mind is heard now - telling stories of 'other' times and 'other' places.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Thanks!
You're right. Maybe it's just some mind's tricks.
I will try to ignore this if it comes back again

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
When the mind stops being concerned about next and before - time disappears.

edit on 10-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I experienced this after meditation two days ago.
The feeling is like I was never in the past.
It was like my childhood also happened in present time.
I really dunno how to describe this... It was like a glitch in my mind.

And now my mind is a bit confused with the time after this experience

The mind will always be confused. The mind makes things up - things like time. The mind speaks of other when in reality - there is no other - they is only ever this that is happening presently. The talking mind is heard now - telling stories of 'other' times and 'other' places.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Thanks!
You're right. Maybe it's just some mind's tricks.
I will try to ignore this if it comes back again

The mind tells stories - don't ignore it - it can be very amusing to listen to the minds silliness. Just know that you are what is listening. The listening is awareness which is always present.

Do not reject anything - allow all to pass through.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by InTheLight
Einstein speaks of the other as being space, therefore the marriage of space and time into spacetime.

Space is present always. The appearance is constantly changing in the space that never goes anywhere.

This space you are talking about... Is it my surroundings?

Coz lately I felt like I was not this body.
Another time I felt like I was in the bodies of others.
This morning I felt like I was watching this life through movie screen, Like I was not in this body, although I see through from these eyes (It was like my consciousness merge with the background)

You are the space that contains all that arises. The image you are watching is seen by the space. You are like the still screen on which the appearance appears.
What you are never appears but is constant - whereas the image on the screen (that you are) is constantly moving and changing.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Thanks Itisnowagain, I really I appreciate your time. I feel like I kinda understand about this space now (or Maybe I don't )
It looks like I need to be more aware of myself to feel this space you are talking about.

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by InTheLight
Einstein speaks of the other as being space, therefore the marriage of space and time into spacetime.

Space is present always. The appearance is constantly changing in the space that never goes anywhere.

This space you are talking about... Is it my surroundings?

Coz lately I felt like I was not this body.
Another time I felt like I was in the bodies of others.
This morning I felt like I was watching this life through movie screen, Like I was not in this body, although I see through from these eyes (It was like my consciousness merge with the background)

You are the space that contains all that arises. The image you are watching is seen by the space. You are like the still screen on which the appearance appears.
What you are never appears but is constant - whereas the image on the screen (that you are) is constantly moving and changing.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Thanks Itisnowagain, I really I appreciate your time. I feel like I kinda understand about this space now (or Maybe I don't

)
It looks like I need to be more aware of myself to feel this space you are talking about.

edit on 11-5-2013 by dodol because: (no reason given)

What is this 'yourself' that you feel you need to be aware of? Forget thinking that you have to be aware of 'yourself'.
You are awareness itself. You are aware of the arising - all is arising presently in the (aware) space that you are.
The space is the space in which all apparent things appear - including thoughts, sensations, noise, colour, smells etc.
Do not be fooled into thinking that you are the content - you are the container (the surrounding). The content is constantly changing but you remain the same, unchanging and unmoving.

reply to post by dodol


You might like this message (I have just posted it on another thread) - I think it may help.

It is one of the best descriptions of what is that I have heard.

reply to post by dodol


Just keep watching, observing without censoring, judging, evaluating, commenting... pure observation also called attention, awareness (I prefer to coin the term 'awarenessing') in the literature ... this is of course difficult to do as the mind is accustomed to censoring, judging, etc. Allow it to happen naturally instead of making or forcing it to happen.

If you allow this 'awarenessing' to take place naturally (without turning it into some goal, objective, etc), then you will stabilize and make the breakthrough to liberation or satori. You are one of the very fortunate few in whom this process has already started to make itself known. So, be happy for you're on the way HOME and when that "explosion" happens, you will never have to come back to earth and go through the .... you know what!

You can find out more by going through the book "The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi" by Arthur Osborne. Read especially "Self Enquiry" indicated as item 1 under Part One: A: Prose. You will find some of your experiences described here.

Try to find like-minded people and meet together regularly (= satsang). The communal support should take you further. The general term for the subject is Advaita (non-dual) (also spelt Adwaita), Zen, Dzogchen. There are many groups, societies, clubs world wide dedicated to this.

www.biblioteca-ga.info...

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by InTheLight
Einstein speaks of the other as being space, therefore the marriage of space and time into spacetime.

Space is present always. The appearance is constantly changing in the space that never goes anywhere.

This space you are talking about... Is it my surroundings?

Coz lately I felt like I was not this body.
Another time I felt like I was in the bodies of others.
This morning I felt like I was watching this life through movie screen, Like I was not in this body, although I see through from these eyes (It was like my consciousness merge with the background)

You are the space that contains all that arises. The image you are watching is seen by the space. You are like the still screen on which the appearance appears.
What you are never appears but is constant - whereas the image on the screen (that you are) is constantly moving and changing.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Thanks Itisnowagain, I really I appreciate your time. I feel like I kinda understand about this space now (or Maybe I don't

)
It looks like I need to be more aware of myself to feel this space you are talking about.

edit on 11-5-2013 by dodol because: (no reason given)

What is this 'yourself' that you feel you need to be aware of? Forget thinking that you have to be aware of 'yourself'.
You are awareness itself. You are aware of the arising - all is arising presently in the (aware) space that you are.
The space is the space in which all apparent things appear - including thoughts, sensations, noise, colour, smells etc.
Do not be fooled into thinking that you are the content - you are the container (the surrounding). The content is constantly changing but you remain the same, unchanging and unmoving.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

You just made me laughing at my stupidity
I get what you meant
Thanks a lot!!!

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by InTheLight
Einstein speaks of the other as being space, therefore the marriage of space and time into spacetime.

Space is present always. The appearance is constantly changing in the space that never goes anywhere.

This space you are talking about... Is it my surroundings?

Coz lately I felt like I was not this body.
Another time I felt like I was in the bodies of others.
This morning I felt like I was watching this life through movie screen, Like I was not in this body, although I see through from these eyes (It was like my consciousness merge with the background)

You are the space that contains all that arises. The image you are watching is seen by the space. You are like the still screen on which the appearance appears.
What you are never appears but is constant - whereas the image on the screen (that you are) is constantly moving and changing.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Thanks Itisnowagain, I really I appreciate your time. I feel like I kinda understand about this space now (or Maybe I don't

)
It looks like I need to be more aware of myself to feel this space you are talking about.

edit on 11-5-2013 by dodol because: (no reason given)

What is this 'yourself' that you feel you need to be aware of? Forget thinking that you have to be aware of 'yourself'.
You are awareness itself. You are aware of the arising - all is arising presently in the (aware) space that you are.
The space is the space in which all apparent things appear - including thoughts, sensations, noise, colour, smells etc.
Do not be fooled into thinking that you are the content - you are the container (the surrounding). The content is constantly changing but you remain the same, unchanging and unmoving.

edit on 11-5-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

You just made me laughing at my stupidity

I get what you meant

Thanks a lot!!!

You might find that laughter happens a lot now.
One is amused. Two is always confused.

Originally posted by Rextiberius
reply to post by dodol

 

Just keep watching, observing without censoring, judging, evaluating, commenting... pure observation also called attention, awareness (I prefer to coin the term 'awarenessing') in the literature ... this is of course difficult to do as the mind is accustomed to censoring, judging, etc. Allow it to happen naturally instead of making or forcing it to happen.

If you allow this 'awarenessing' to take place naturally (without turning it into some goal, objective, etc), then you will stabilize and make the breakthrough to liberation or satori. You are one of the very fortunate few in whom this process has already started to make itself known. So, be happy for you're on the way HOME and when that "explosion" happens, you will never have to come back to earth and go through the .... you know what!

You can find out more by going through the book "The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi" by Arthur Osborne. Read especially "Self Enquiry" indicated as item 1 under Part One: A: Prose. You will find some of your experiences described here.

Try to find like-minded people and meet together regularly (= satsang). The communal support should take you further. The general term for the subject is Advaita (non-dual) (also spelt Adwaita), Zen, Dzogchen. There are many groups, societies, clubs world wide dedicated to this.

www.biblioteca-ga.info...

edit on Mayam13 11 20 by Rextiberius because: (no reason given)

Thanks Rextiberius!!
I will take a look at Ramana Maharshi's
And You're right, I still have trouble of allowing IT to happen naturally
Because Sometimes I force my mind too hard to focus on my physical activities.
(Like in zazen, sometimes I sweat because I try to keep my body still )

On meeting with people, I am a bit worried coz I always become unaware when I talk to people especially in group conversation. But I will try to join one of the spiritual gatherings here.

Thanks a lot for your advice and your time!!!!

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by deadeyedick
Once you reach all your goals here on earth you will be able to physically manifest in both realms and will be able to survive and travel in both.

So, babies that die at birth have reached their goals?

Sometimes yes. Some souls don't connect with there vessel until after the birth. I was 4yo when i joined with this flesh. It has happened often that a spirit has a reward as a great life waiting for them but failed in the previous to reach their goals and need just a short while here on earth to finish it.

Those who are spiritually savvy will say that EARTH is really the "center" of the universe in that there is nowhere else where there is evolution taking place. It cannot be found in any place in the seemingly wide infinity of space in the universe. All cosmic beings from whichever world or dimension who want to evolve have to descend to Earth and assume a human form - this is the LAW.

reply to post by Rextiberius

That is just not true cause there are many other places to learn and many other planets like ours that are being shaped according to GOD. Most of them can not be viewed from this realm. There are beings that want to destroy creation searching for this place and a few have come here and taken samples of life to try to duplicate they have mutilated cows and probed people and such.
GOD knew before he ever started this that his neighbors would not allow all this around us to happen so he put us in another realm in his backyard where we would be safe long enough to grow up and that time has come.
You are right about spirits coming from all over to be here and most of the rest of your post. I just wanted to be clear that if GOD turned his back on us now we would be destroyed and enslaved by others while we are trying to grow and never return to where we came.

reply to post by dodol


you wrote:

Thanks Rextiberius!!
I will take a look at Ramana Maharshi's
And You're right, I still have trouble of allowing IT to happen naturally
Because Sometimes I force my mind too hard to focus on my physical activities.
(Like in zazen, sometimes I sweat because I try to keep my body still )

On meeting with people, I am a bit worried coz I always become unaware when I talk to people especially in group conversation. But I will try to join one of the spiritual gatherings here.

Thanks a lot for your advice and your time!!!!

my response:

The more the 'me' (aka 'personality', 'ego', ego-mind', 'I-ego') wants to get involved, the more the I-Self retreats. If you would allow yourself to be seized by IT/THAT... then your journey really begins. This letting go is called 'surrender' - this 'me' factor is the nuisance/obstacle. There is this fear of letting go, etc., is the cause of the 'resistance' which results in the stiffening of the body, muscles, etc. In this state, there is no relaxation, no awareness. Actually relaxation comes first, and to let this happen naturally, you must NOT formulate a goal/objective/purpose, etc., in your mind. Any attempt to achieve something will prevent relaxation. Rick Fields expresses this point most beautifully:

"The purpose of meditation, paradoxically, is to learn to be without purpose. Since nearly everything we do in life is done with some goal in mind, most of our actions are only means to an end, pointing us continually toward a future that does not exist.

But meditation, when no goal disturbs it, allows us to discover the richness and profundity of the present moment. We begin to realize the miraculous power of our own lives - not as they will be, or as we might imagine they once were at some golden time in the past, but as they actually are.

Meditation is one of the few things in life that is not about doing but about being."

- Rick Fields, Chop Wood, Carry Water

There is therefore this interdependency which approximates to this:

70% - me, then 30% IT/THAT;
55% me, then 45% IT/THAT;
25% me, then 75% IT/THAT;
1% me, then 99% IT/THAT.

Got it? One spiritual master has given this illustration: Look at a leaf falling from a tall tree. Note how it falls - it does so without resisting, without fear of falling, without recoiling, etc, Can one do the same, surrender totally, unconditionally?

Your unawareness of self (= forgetting the ego-self) during group meetings is right on, so let it me - just observe with minimal comment, judgement, censoring, etc. When you can totally blend in with the group, wholeness obtains. There is this story of a group of ten people who were preparing to go somewhere. The leader did a head count but when he finished counting, his answer was 9. He kept on repeating the head count but the answer he got was always 9 whereas the other members all counted 10. Got it?

The leader had lost all sense of self to the point where he never counted himself in. Now that is a giant step towards liberation. Mind you - he hasn't reached the ultimate step yet, but a big step forward has already been attained nevertheless.