Report: Muslim cleric invited to pray over fallen SEALs damns them during service

reply to post by 0SolidSnake0


I think more accurately, he is half Marxist half Muslim/Christian.

And the Christian part is muddy, as it's more Black Liberation theology than it is real Christianity. And even that is based on James Cone's Marxist ideas.
If he was devoutly Muslim, he likely would not have spent so many years in a "Christian" church, but who knows what he might do in the name of the mission.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The Obama Administration doesn't courtmartial anyone. The military does under the UCMJ.

As for Proselytizing, the dictionary definition is:

intransitive verb
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive verb
: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

www.merriam-webster.com...

You are allowed to express your religious beliefs, up to the point they interfere with discipline or morale. At that point you are not allowed to anymore. It currently is not a crime under the UCMJ to express your religious beliefs, and IF POSSIBLE they will find a way to fit those beliefs in. What you CAN'T do is try to convert someone forcibly. If they choose to convert, you're allowed to convert them, but you can't hound them or induce them to convert. Then it falls under Article 134 of the UCMJ.

Originally posted by 0SolidSnake0

Originally posted by sefhinny
Oh how, "The Muslim people have enriched America."

Quoting Obama himself... This event makes me sick.

Thanks for posting man.

First of all this event isn't true.
Second of all. If you are an arab muslim and you live in america and you don't end up a doctor/ lawyer/ engineer. basically making 80000+ dollars a year. Your parents are going to be very very mad. Yes that's our muslim community in america.

edit on 10-5-2013 by 0SolidSnake0 because: (no reason given)

All I have to say to you is "lol".

reply to post by Battleline

Granted a funeral is not world domination but I feel that putting Infidels in the same room and funeral with Muslim's made the Muslim cleric feel he had to say something to avenge it in some way, at least to the Muslims that might be watching.

Might this be something similar to building a mosque at Ground Zero? Some sort of conquest? Now the Cleric has conquered the Christians at that funeral.
In my view, this admin is way over the top in bowing and scraping to others, and that includes the whole excessively tolerant pc bit with the muslim faith.

reply to post by Zaphod58

The Obama Administration doesn't courtmartial anyone. The military does under the UCMJ.

That may be so, but when have you ever heard of someone being disciplined for expressing their Christian faith? I've never heard of it. Were you on that thread last week?

For the record, here is the article that thread was based on:

The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.

The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

www.breitbart.com...
Here's the thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...
So clearly, this is happening due to the prompting of a civilian Obama Appointee, and additionally, one who parades pc cprrectness under the guise of religious tolerance.....what a joke that is. He is probably some secular humanist who hates all religion.

Originally posted by ollncasino

If American and British Muslims are in any way representative of Muslims as a whole, it is stretching credibility to suggest that Muslims as a group are typically moderate.

Muslims as a group are typically people. Some people are "moderate", and some people are crazy. You find it in ANY group, which is why I prefer not to deal with "groups as a whole", thereby stereotyping an entire bunch of individuals to fit my own agenda, based upon a handpicked "research study group".

There are lies, there are DAMNED lies, and then there are statistics.

Statistically, Christians are a warlike group who can't seem to keep their noses in their own business, and prefer to mind the business of others, when they aren't busy conquering the "lesser races".

Then again, on the other hand, maybe THEY'RE just people too, individuals, rather than a "study group".

ETA: I've heard a rumor that a statistically large group of American Christians are against the First Amendement of the Constitution - they don't think that a cross should be allowed to be dipped in a jar of piss and put on display. Closed-minded, freedom-hating bastards. Maybe we should bomb 'em - after all, the statistics say so!

Originally posted by ollncasino


The Islamic world be a freer place if Muslim Jurists hadn't made it a criminal offense to criticize Islam across the Islamic world.

Of course it would be. But it would be even freer if these criticizers knew two things:

1-The laws of the country they live in.

2- That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)

Larry Klayman...the Attorney who hosted this "news conference"...If really freaky fringe...WND, Orly Taitz, Sherrif Arpiao etc. etc.

I am having a hard time finding credibility in the story...but I am still googling to try and find some substance.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


No I wasn't. I haven't been privy to every courtmartial ever, so I don't know if it's happened before or not. Regardless, apparently it's not happening now either. Every story I've heard has pointed to the story being either flat out fake, or taken out of context, or exaggerated.

Here’s the rundown. On April 24, The Washington Post ran a column by religion writer Sally Quinn titled, “US Military should put religious freedom at the front.” In the piece, Quinn revealed that Michael “Mikey” Weinstein, founder and president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), had recently participated in a meeting at the Pentagon with a group of Air Force officers. The story soon caromed through the conservative echo chamber, becoming progressively more distorted as it bounced from place to place. The politically conservative news site Breitbart reported that the Pentagon had “tapped” Weinstein, implying that he had been selected by military leaders to craft new policy. The author of the Breitbart piece, Ken Klukowski, a senior fellow at the Family Research Council and a faculty member at Liberty University School of Law, claimed that the Pentagon meeting amounted to “a disturbing new alliance between fanatical secularists and leaders in the Pentagon appointed by President Barack Obama and Secretary Chuck Hagel.” The Christian Post, an online Evangelical Protestant publication, then ran a story with the headline, “Pentagon Hires Anti-Conservative Activist Who Branded Fundamentalists as 'Christian Monsters.’”

www.aleteia.org...

As pointed out in the article soldiers HAVE been reprimanded in the past for expressing their faith. A Special Forces Colonel included for saying that the 9/11 attacks were because we're a Christian nation, and we're fighting Satan (or something to that effect).

Originally posted by nenothtu

Muslims as a group are typically people. Some people are "moderate", and some people are crazy.

Its the sheer proportion of Muslims who exhibit crazy opinions that is worrying.

• 1 in 8 American Muslims polled believe that Muhammad's critics should face the death penalty.

• Nearly Half of U.S. Muslims polled believe that critics of Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted

• 58% of US Muslims said criticism of their religion or of Muhammad should not be allowed under the Constitution.

• 1 in 8 British Muslims support demonstrators who call for the death of those who insult Islam

• 68% of British Muslims believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.

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A peaceful Australian Muslim exercising his constitutional right to call for Australia to bring it criminal law on blasphemy in line with much of the Muslim world.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

And if we expect visitors to this country to obey OUR laws, I guess we should obey theirs when we're there, huh?

I am glad that you feel that Muslims should integrate into the West rather than the West accommodating them.

When in Rome...

On this we agree - they've no business coming to my country and running it their way... at least no more business than I have going to theirs and running it MY way...

Originally posted by 0SolidSnake0

Of course it would be. But it would be even freer if these criticizers knew two things:

1-The laws of the country they live in.

2- That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)

I suspect that many Muslims fear that Islam cannot survive the scrutiny of open criticism.

Originally posted by ollncasino

I suspect that many Muslims fear that Islam cannot survive the scrutiny of open criticism.

Islam would double in size overnight, if an open criticism and open debate happened in front of everyone.

reply to post by 0SolidSnake0

That there is a fine line between Constructive criticism/Freedom of Speech . and total bull# /Hate speach. (Innocence of Muslims)

So you are saying because of that stupid film, the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral and utter verbal prayers of malintent(black magic actually)?

I say no way Jose! This is just nuts and the liberal pc crowd are all for it.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


How do you know he was radical? There are multiple translations of his prayer, most of which ask for peace, and admittance to heaven for the dead. That sure sounds radical to me.

Originally posted by Indigo5
Larry Klayman...the Attorney who hosted this "news conference"...If really freaky fringe...WND, Orly Taitz, Sherrif Arpiao etc. etc.

I am having a hard time finding credibility in the story...but I am still googling to try and find some substance.

So the other host of the conference apart From WND author/lawyer Larry Klayman...is Tom Trento...of "United West"..unting the West against Islam...religious war etc etc.

He is also known to mistranslate arabic speeches and texts to appear as hateful etc as possible.

AND BTW - They HAD A Christian Service for the Seals...The idiot Klayman tried to edit it out of the vid in his "press conference"...but you can hear the begining then (Clip) the end "Amen" of what he edited out before the Muslim prayer..

The Christian Prayer starts at the 19:00 mark ...then gets edited out...in the video below...And by the way the ALSO had a muslim prayer cuz a few of the Navy Seals were MUSLIM...

These dipSH*&S then go ahead and "creatively" translate the Muslim prayer to appear to be something it is not.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by 0SolidSnake0

Islam would double in size overnight, if an open criticisms happened in front of everyone.

Perhaps the Islamic world should give it a go?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


So you are saying because of that stupid film, the muslims have a right to have a radical Cleric present at a Christian funeral and utter verbal prayers of malintent(black magic actually)?

I say no way Jose! This is just nuts and the liberal pc crowd are all for it.

Hey jose,

-The muslims didn't do anything, The cleric was appointed by the pentagon
-This is a joint funeral , Afghani soldiers were at it too. (which explains why he was there)
-There was no utter verbal, he was doing part of what is usually done in every Muslim funeral . reading verses.
- He Prayed for the soldier that god to forgive his sins and enter him to heaven.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

How do you know he was radical? There are multiple translations of his prayer, most of which ask for peace, and admittance to heaven for the dead. That sure sounds radical to me.

Oh, I don't know.... because the Washington Times article said the families claimed the cleric damned the fallen heroes...

You sound like an apologist of some kind. Do you speak Arabic? I wonder if you know what the guy actually said. If you are taking the word of CAIR, I would question it.

Here is the co-sponsor of the news conference...Tom Trento, United West

MISSION – Our mission is solidly based on a Judeo-Christian worldview using cutting edge communication technology to seek, confront and destroy the ideologies of shariah Islam and the currently popular socialist beliefs of the Obama Administration in order to save America, Israel and the West!

theunitedwest.org...

Conference Trento Introducing folks
www.youtube.com...