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Originally posted by quietlearner
Dear Benevolent Heretic
From your responses you seem to be as much of the problem as pro-life extremists because you are a pro-choice extremist yourself, at least in your views you are you have the us vs them mentality, pro-choice vs pro-live bipartisanship the reality, like in many other complex legal and social problems, is that it is not black and white there is a whole lot of gray in the middle and most sensible people will lie in a shade of gray
Would you not agree that abortions are a crude way of dealing with a much deeper and bigger problem?
or would you say that the pro-choice alternative is the perfect solution?
Originally posted by windword
This is a very pragmatic view point. It sounds like something my great aunt, who always wanted to be a nun, would have said to me.
I mean, first of all, adoption, the argument that a woman should sacrifice 9 months of her life, to give life, share that life with a couple who wants a child, rather than abort, is a noble thing to do, is a compelling argument in the pro-life agenda.
Further, many abortions are decided based on less then optimum health circumstances, when the fetus is found to have Down Syndrome, Spina Bifida, and other maladies that parent's don't feel capable of taking on.
But your solution is easy, never abort, pay the consequences.
Secondly, your stated point of view is an attempt at behavior modification, the ole "you do the crime, (sex) you do the time (parenting)" adage! Having a child, creating a family should never be viewed as a punishment for some night of passion. Having a family is a choice that needs planning, social support, and lots of money.
With the advent of easily accessible birth control comes promiscuity. Engaging in sexual activities is a fun past time. It's not all about romance, marriage and children anymore. A good chunk of those who opt for abortion, do so due to failed birth control.
Originally posted by windword
I also am a pragmatist. I am pro-choice. I see nothing immoral in opting for an abortion, under the present mainstream guidelines, up until 20-22 weeks, and with exception for emergency issues of the health of the mother.
Originally posted by windword
We don't live in a utopia. Life is full of crudeness. Menastration is crude! Tampax and sanitary napkins are crude! Toilet paper is crude! Senility and Osteoporsis are crude!
Is the pro-choice alternative the perfect solution? More choice is always a better solution. We need more choices, better birth control, male birth control!
Soon abortion will be a moot argument, as science moves forward and finds medical solutions for these issues, leaving us and our discussion behind. The deeper and bigger problems of human condition will continue to persist and plague us though.
my solution is not to "never abort, pay the consequences. " in fact I don't really offered a solution I was just responding about why it is illogical to ask pro-lifers to adopt all would be aborted babies the fact that pregnant women carry the baby for 9 months is not an argument it is fact and it is just how the biology of our bodies work no one decided that pregnancies should last 9 months,
it just is and by offering abortions to seemingly healthy pregnancies you are not making right any wrong.
I have not mentioned any clinical problems such as "Down Syndrome, Spina Bifida, and other maladies" I was mainly talking about healthy pregnancies with healthy babies from consensual sex on which the mother just decides that she does not wan't the baby
I was not saying mothers should take care of their babies as a form of punishment just saying they should be responsible for their actions and the consequences thereof
lastly, about failed birth control. Everyone capable to use birth control understands they are not 100% effective 100% of the time. When they had sex, they knew the risk it was not a random misfortune which boils down, again, to being responsible with your actions
Originally posted by windword
But, that is a tactic that is employed to offer another "choice" besides aborting an unwanted pregnancy. Adoption.
Originally posted by windword
There is no right or wrong here, only a choice NOT to carry a pregnancy.
Originally posted by windword
There are lots of reasons why a woman may choose abortion. It isn't your place to qualify who deserves the service and who doesn't.
Consensual sex is not consent to become a parent. Accidents happen.
Originally posted by windword
Abortion sometimes is the most responsible choice, and having an abortion is bearing the consequences. As long as there are safe methods to end a pregnancy, there is no reason why those methods shouldn't be available to all women.
Originally posted by windword
Biology isn't sacred or holy and it doesn't trump self determination. Pregnancy occurring due to failed birth control is not consent to parenthood. A woman has every right to enjoy a sexual experience without having to give birth as a result. Having a child doesn't equate responsibility. Abortion is not an immoral option, sometimes it is the better solution.