New Device(s) at Area 51 Border

gariac
This is a view of the area spanning the orange pole marker to the discarded Coleman catalytic heater:
bald mountain camera site 1


For people who have been to the area before, this image has the silver ball in it for a location reference:
bald mountain camera site 2

I was already parked by the ET Highway by the time the dudes made it to the area. In fact, I nearly missed them.
Camo dudes dutifully defend nothing

I swear the dude in the passenger seat looks like a gray. ;-)

It appears to me that nothing has changed since I was there in the spring.
Perhaps their budget got cut.

reply to post by FosterVS


The box in my photo looks like it has a bezel.

Very interesting thread, thanks for sharing OP!

I have nothing I can add to the topic, except I lean towards the theory of it being a phone point. That answer is the most logical one I've read so far.

MystikMushroom
The whole point of using Area-51 was because it was secret. Now that it's been in movies and TV shows, I'm betting there isn't anything super-secret there anymore. The government wouldn't allow it to be in "Independence Day" if they really kept secret stuff there.

It's a great decoy though ... with the guards and everything. In another 40 years we'll learn about where the secret stuff currently is being worked on.

I cant guarantee this is 100% correct but I heard this from a documentary a year or so ago & found it quite interesting. It sounds perfectly feasible to me. IIRC, it was from the documentary "Alien Highway", which you can find on YouTube.

The Independence Day film makers approached the military to try and acquire access to military-grade vehicles for filming. The military were apparently very keen to do so, as the story put them in a very good 'light'. However, in exchange for them providing military vehicles they wanted the film makers to make one change to the script. They wanted every reference to the base as "Area 51" to be removed/replaced. Needless to say, the film makers didn't like the idea & refused the offer. From that point onward they had to fund vehicles for the film themselves & the military would not offer any help.

The government has no say in the matter, so it would appear.

Interesting nonetheless..

reply to post by LacunaE


Hint: you can make movies in the US about the military without the permission of the government. The most famous of these being Apocalypse Now.

Hint: Independence Day wasn't even filmed in Nevada. They used El Mirage dry lake as Groom Lake.

Hint: Groom Lake gets bigger every year. They just added a hush house.

OK, I provided all the clues. Now if you want to believe those silly stories about the base being moved or the secret stuff is elsewhere, be my guest. However, this talk polluted a perfect good thread about some real change at the Nellis border.

gariac
reply to post by LacunaE

 

Hint: you can make movies in the US about the military without the permission of the government. The most famous of these being Apocalypse Now.

Hint: Independence Day wasn't even filmed in Nevada. They used El Mirage dry lake as Groom Lake.

Hint: Groom Lake gets bigger every year. They just added a hush house.

OK, I provided all the clues. Now if you want to believe those silly stories about the base being moved or the secret stuff is elsewhere, be my guest. However, this talk polluted a perfect good thread about some real change at the Nellis border.

Hint: Read twice before posting.



I can only assume you did not intend to direct your post towards me, as I'm struggling to see the references in my posts that would result in such a response from yourself. At no point have I stated, referenced or even hinted towards the base being "moved". As for the "hints" you have provided.. Talk about stating the obvious.

I merely posted something I had heard from a documentary, directed towards another member to bring him up to speed on something he clearly had missed. I thought it to be interesting and something worth sharing.

Sorry.

reply to post by LacunaE


I read it carefully. You added the part about the military having issues. Nobody held a gun to your head to post that, I presume. As I pointed out, who needs military cooperation? "Apocalypse Now" was hated by the DoD. No way in hell they would allow a movie about one soldier hunting down another soldier when their motto is we leave nobody behind. With CG of today's quality, you don't need DoD cooperation at all. Even if the DoD cooperates, they augment the video with CG. A prime example is the IMAX "Operation FIghter Pilot". At least 25% of the aircraft footage is fake. If you have the DVD, the fake video is easy to spot.

reply to post by FosterVS


Where I work, we have something exactly like those. They allow I.D. badges to be scanned from a couple feet away, so one does not have to get out of their vehicles.

So, Im thinking since they are almost identical to ours here where I work, they are for swiping, reading, recognizing a human, vehicle or other entrants entering the secured property.

Ours here...are the exact same size and color. We also wondered why they are that big for normal I.D. badges. We were told the same thing: for swiping from inside a large vehicle....

Hope this helps a bit........

PS The intercom boxes to use by these large "readers"...is still the size of a dime about.

reply to post by mysterioustranger


Can you get any markings from your panel?

RFID badges are usually the 13.56MHz variety. A portable shortwave radio can pick up the frequency. If you have a smartphone, the NFC is at the same frequency.

I'm not ruling out your theory, but this particular road is a really terrible way to get to the base. Well unless you like challenging off road driving.

The general procedure for contractors crossing the border is to get on the radio and announce their location. But I haven't heard the VHF radios on Roulette in years. I suspect they went to one of the trunked systems. Now it wouldn't surprise me if they used some sort of RFID to track vehicles going past road sensors. But I think this is an unlikely location for such a reader.

reply to post by gariac

I can later tonight take a photo of it and post it. I am looking at a camera right now on it...and someone in a lage truck stopped, swiped from a 4-5 feet distance, and up went the gate...and they accessed the location.

What struck me as well was that your photo looks exactly what I see on a "locked-position" camera. I will get photo and anything else off it for you......stay tuned....

It's called a "what-the-hell" device and it is working perfectly.

When you want someone to look in a specific area you put something there unidentifiable. Then they spend all their time trying to figure out what the hell that device is, while whatever is going on right behind them.


Someone just nailed a bunch of stuff to the ground and hooked a fire extinguisher up to it to make it appear as important.

Believe me, if they wanted something to be hidden, you wouldn't be seeing it.

gariac
I'm not ruling out your theory, but this particular road is a really terrible way to get to the base. Well unless you like challenging off road driving.

As gariac correctly points out, and he is one of the few of us in a position to know - this entrance/gate/cattle trail is one of a number of trails that cross into Area 51. It is little used, as are the others. I use my 4 wheel quad to get to them, as they are unmaintained and quite rough, although the dudes get panicky with an offroad vehicle. To me it makes no sense to place the device you describe at this particular rarely used "gate".

The common consensus seems to be that this is an unfinished project, and likely will be a tower with camera(s), etc. I think they can see all these gates from Bald Mountain, I am betting not as clearly as they would like. Instead of having to jump in their Ford Raptor and race to see what jackasses like myself are up to, they could be sitting in their shack and use tilt, pan and zoom to keep an eye on us.

reply to post by FosterVS


Sometimes the dudes don't even take the direct route. They show up from the ET Highway. I presume they are taking Groom Lake Road to Mail Box Road to the ET Highway, then up Black Tank (the road to Bald Mountain).

If you want to be a real pain in the arse, the road from the guard shack to Bald Mountain is a combination of dirt on their land and our land. With some map reading and careful observation, you could get on the free territory part of the road with a quad. Chuck Clark did this during his "document the orange poles" project. That project was interrupted when the JTTF raided his trailer. I was always suspicious about that event since they raided his trailer when he was out of town, but as far as I know they didn't raid his ranch. Generally you raid all the places where the subject has access. Then again, when you plant the evidence, you only need to raid where you planted it.

The orange pole documentation project was to log the lat/lon of each pole, and photograph the view to the north, east, west, and south. It would have been nice to have since nobody has an accurate description of the border.

gariac
reply to post by LacunaE

 

I read it carefully. You added the part about the military having issues. Nobody held a gun to your head to post that, I presume. As I pointed out, who needs military cooperation?

What the hell is your problem?? Gun to my head? Yes, I stated the military had a problem with the film makers referring to a base in the Nevada desert as "Area 51". At no point have I said they needed military permission or anything else you have, for some baffling reason, decided to bring up & then decide I have stated it. All I was simply stating was the fact they offered the film makers assistance by providing access to vehicles if they changed the references in the script from "Area 51" to something else. No biggie. Just an interesting fact intended for another member who brought the Independence Day film topic up. End of.

reply to post by mysterioustranger

Interesting! Though for something of this size I'd expect it to be able to read a card from more than a few feet away. You can get off the shelf smart card readers that work from 1.5ft away and they are much smaller units. Example Link.

At this point, I side with FosterVS on it being an unfinished project - likely to turn into some kind of monitoring device.

reply to post by 19KTankCommander

An example would be NATO Code Name "Small Fred", nice call does kinda look like that. Also, whatever it is,
it might have one hell of an ERP if they have to put a fire extinguisher right on it! Maybe it some sort of dual purpose device, like a combined infrared/micro wave motion detector (Like the ones around the MARINE One hangar facilities / DARPA AI LAB at Bolling AFB in DC) and some kind of Non-lethal microwave/Sonic area denia device. Might be just a cable porn TV to keep the "Goons" awake at night

gariac
With some map reading and careful observation, you could get on the free territory part of the road with a quad. Chuck Clark did this during his "document the orange poles" project.

Here's something I noticed before, now that you mention the "free territory part of the road".

Notice in the following image - what I interpret as a trench line going back to the guard shack, ENDS at the point where the road leaves "their" side and crosses free territory. So there is no apparent direct link to the device that I photographed. I guess they didn't want to take the chance of trenching through free territory to that last device. Maybe Chuck Clark, or someone else of his ilk, would dig whatever up to see what it was.

So perhaps there is some kind of wireless link from the second last device in the square to the last device in the circle. Not sure what they plan on using for a power source.

Course this is all just blind speculation. To justify my next trip down there



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Another Device(?) at 37.488455, -115.697528:
Found this scrolling around on Bing Maps (maps.bing.com) where I discovered the initial device image:


This is the original device that I (and gariac) photographed:


This new device is located west of original device, about 1.3 miles. I can't tell on GE if there is line-of-sight between the two. It doesn't show up on GE, only Bing Maps, so likely related to the other device(s).
It is inside the border about 2000 feet, beyond what I have listed as "Bald Mountain Gate 2". I do have photo's of this gate, gonna look at and see if whatever this is, is visible.

EDITED TO ADD:
This is the only still I have of this gate, I may have video though:

FosterVS
Gariac and I discussed this in a post a while back.
I saw signs of trenching/cabling from the Area 51 guardshack along a trail to one of the Bald Mountain Gates, in the newer Bing Maps imagery. The spot is 37°29'30.74"N, 115°40'24.69"W

I just returned from a trip down to Nevada, and visited this gate among others. Here are pictures at this gate.

I should have taken more/better pictures, but what you can't see between the first and second pictures was the camo dude truck parked to the left of the new "device", that started coming after me when I started taking pictures!

I cannot deduce what this thing is. Looks like a cement pad, with two uprights imbedded in it, 2 -3 crossbeams, and also two pipes coming up support a rectangular something. The fire extinguisher has me baffled.

Ideas or conjecture, gariac, anyone?

EDITED TO ADD:
If you follow this trail back towards the guard shack, you will see a number of similar cement pads.

edit on 4-5-2013 by FosterVS because: (no reason given)

It reminds me of something that I saw on modern weapons...if it's something like was described on that show...it's kind of like a repellant for people...it emits very uncomfortable sounds and heat.
My best guess.
Anyway...if I can find a reference to it, I'll post.

I don't know...looking at it again...perhaps some sort of radar or sensing device.
It's got a fire-extinguisher attached I noticed...so I guess it could catch on fire???
Maybe it can make you burst into flames if you were to venture too close to Area 51.
Sorry...unnecessary lol.

reply to post by FosterVS


Well I did a lengthy reply and it didn't show up. The short of it is there is no line of site between those two locations. Not even if they put up similar 20ft towers.

The location you found doesn't appear to have a large concrete pad. It could be for something else.

MadMax7
My God.... it's a Flambooseler Gyrofugal Tambilator....

Quick run for your lives....

Ahhh yes, indubitably! This must be the Extreme Premier Elite Dynasty Series, they're not messing around. Looks like it even has Kanifler pins, calibrated to kill mode none the less!