Conservatives and Sabotage - Personal Experiences

Conservatives and Sabotage

Conservatives, instead of relying on science and real life to promote their agenda, can rely on violence and yelling to suppress other people in their surroundings from exploring the world and finding healthy ways of life. For example, living with a conservative, the conservative might become very violent or angry or sabotage whatever resources he is in control of in order to keep those he can from "threatening" his views.

This sometimes can involve resource pooling - in other words, the conservative in question might use "altruism" to promote a fake agenda wherein resources are pooled (such as shared food, shared income, "gifts" that end up having the purpose of keeping those in question from being able to support themselves eventually).

The whole system ends up suppressing everyone in it and keeping them from reaching their full potential. The reason that a conservative individual uses fear tactics such as violence, yelling and sabotage to force people to follow his views is because he never had the chance to learn how to think critically and question and learn cause and effect values.

In addition, there is another reason - the conservative patriach is forced to live in a society where if he doesn't follow the rules, he himself will be sabotaged, threatened or violated in some manner.

Some specific examples - I have a room-mate who is very violent towards our cats whenever the cats are exploring. Also, if he is given power, he abuses it to sabotage people and keep them from exploring. When he was playing Magic: The Gathering yesterday, he lost and then blamed others for his losses saying they were "lucky" even though his skill set was lacking. When I tried to explain to him how he could improve (only suggestions) he got violent and started whipping at us with rope.

If I was not able to reach out to other support systems, then I would not be able to escape this, and continue the cycle. So it is really important to understand how this society functions in order to deal with it in a more effective manner than being afraid of it - if a conservative is reaching out, they might need help, not anger.

But seriously. This is the kind of thing we don't want to happen. It is the dark side of religion and conservatism. It exists. It just isn't always reported, because people are afraid to talk about it for the same reasons they are being suppressed. This is what is fueling a lot of the liberal and atheist movement. At the same time, atheists have to understand how this process works.

With instances like mine, where I am a man living with other men, I hope this can open everyone's eyes to the reality of how men can be abusive without bringing emotions and feelings about women into it.

I am a male living with male room-mates, and in a conservative state. I am getting my information from observations dealing with conservatives and simply reporting them. I have a psychology major among many other subjects I studied in college.

Troll!

Well, there is some truth to what you say but not all conservatives are like that. Not all liberals are risk takers either, although the majority are. Why can't both sides work together, both think their way is the right way. Both sides are wrong because of that. If our government would have been more conservative over the last twenty years, we wouldn't be in debt, with a slow but steady growth. Liberals usually take more risks and unless checked the risks turn out bad. I don't like to take sides in this because both sides are always messed up.

reply to post by joyride0187


Wait, how am I trolling exactly? I was explaining what I've experienced. Do you think abuse doesn't happen or something?

reply to post by rickymouse


I totally agree with that. I try to write about this kind of thing that explains it so that people can understand how things work. There are good and bad points to both sides of any argument. I have written posts on here criticizing atheists and liberals as well.

reply to post by darkbake


I can't tell if you're joking with that example or if you're really basing your assumptions on all conservatives around this fellow. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe he's doing things like this not because he's conservative but because he's got a different personality?

reply to post by CrisMajor


Yeah you are right, it could be the guy I'm living with... I think it is always a good idea to try not to generalize and look at specific examples, but I tend to be bad at that :-)

Yeah, it occurred to me he might have a different personality. He is intelligent, for sure. I don't think I would mind at all if I had my own place. Don't get the idea I don't like hanging out with the guy - look at it this way, sometimes the behavior makes me more distant.

It relates to conservatism in the way that everyone's views have to be the same - well, that can be useful I think! However, it is also good for the system to listen to positive feedback and apply it if necessary :-)

As far as both political parties, it would help if they would listen to each other, that's kind of the point, balance is awesome.

I don't expect to be right when I post on ATS, I expect feedback and discussion. Thanks.

I wouldn't call you a troll with this. That's entirely unfair, IMO. You obviously put real thought into this and you're sincere in presenting it. That means something and more than any troll ever goes to the trouble of, as a general rule.

What I think I DO see here is a very negative and bad set of life experience with conservatives you've dealth with personally and had to 'endure' for lack of a better word. They would be the trolls in the truest sense of that word, not you.

You're educated and as you say, with a Psych background at this point. I'd sure hope you might use the Psych training you've received to compartmentalize the specific experiences you've had to take another look at the world beyond the jerks and toads you've had such bad contact with.

I could very sincerely write a very similar OP with Liberal changed for Conservative and be just as accurate and just as honest .....from my own life experience. I'd have to limit it to specific periods of my life and where my contact was, for whatever reason at the time, limited to detestable human beings who happened to be full Believers in the Liberal world view ....but Liberalism didn't cause them to be dark people in mind and Soul. Their own choices and twisted thinking did.

Same as Conservatives. We have more than our fair share of dark, twisted minds following the conservative mindset. I'd just point out that it's a very equal opportunity thing and doesn't give exception to political ideology or world view for who it warps.

reply to post by darkbake


Name calling is a simplistic bullying tactic. Anything to stop new ideas and/or critical thinking that might lead to new ideas.

Conservatives have been on the wrong side of every major issue in human history. Jesus was a progressive and we know how the conservatives stopped him.

reply to post by darkbake

You come to several conclusions with reasoning I don't understand, but this one jumps at me and attacks:

This sometimes can involve resource pooling - in other words, the conservative in question might use "altruism" to promote a fake agenda wherein resources are pooled (such as shared food, shared income, "gifts" that end up having the purpose of keeping those in question from being able to support themselves eventually).

The whole system ends up suppressing everyone in it and keeping them from reaching their full potential.

Consider using "taxation" instead of "pooling" and "fairness" instead of "altruism." It sounds to me that your example is exactly the position of liberals or Democrats.

Did I miss something?

reply to post by darkbake


Good post.

I'll be the first to call out the nonsense in the liberal scene, and its there. But the conservative nonsense is very real, and you don't hear much about it. They are constantly on the lookout against tyranny, but only in the hands of hippies, animal lovers, and the government. When it comes from a business (corporation), a bullying individual or anything like that, they seem to go silent. That blind eye makes them irrelevant to any kind of real positive action.

The actual status quo is a revolving door between massive corporations (businesses) and government. It gets more powerful when a leftist blindly calls for higher taxes (which will just be redistributed to these elite businesses like top banks) AND it gets more powerful when a right wing conservative blindly calls for less regulation, and thus more free reign for these super corporations that pull the strings of global government. Either mindless stance is something you will pay for: Taxes if you go mindlessly left, or being the target of criminally fraudulent (except its not criminal anymore, because of no regulations) business practices if you go mindlessly right.

The most effective people in the world read the politics, they speak their mind, they vote, but they aren't OWNED by any party identity. That allows them to avoid the stupid traps that catch so many others. Remember Emerson:

“A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Vex thyself!

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by darkbake

 

You come to several conclusions with reasoning I don't understand, but this one jumps at me and attacks:

This sometimes can involve resource pooling - in other words, the conservative in question might use "altruism" to promote a fake agenda wherein resources are pooled (such as shared food, shared income, "gifts" that end up having the purpose of keeping those in question from being able to support themselves eventually).

The whole system ends up suppressing everyone in it and keeping them from reaching their full potential.

Consider using "taxation" instead of "pooling" and "fairness" instead of "altruism." It sounds to me that your example is exactly the position of liberals or Democrats.

Did I miss something?

You actually didn't miss something. You picked up on something that I hadn't mentioned but was written between the lines. I used the conservative idea to build a picture of how this thing works, but the same system can be applied to any agenda.

Also, thanks for the feedback. I usually consider it and write these essays down once I've heard other perspectives.

reply to post by tridentblue


Very awesome! Also thanks for everyone who participates in any of my threads, they are kind of obscure, but I like the discussion and feedback.