'TPTB' and Lucifer are NOT to Blame. Take 'Self' Responsibility!

Everyone has to understand that we are conditioned. This conditioning has been going on for thousands of years. Think of all the spices we use in our recipies, spices that were at one time really expensive. Everyone even needed poppies at one time to be considered normal, a countries economy was destroyed when people just said forget that. It is hard to fathom how deep this conditioning is in society. Actually the poor person living in an old small house with low taxes that they inherited from his parents is smart. His windows are old but he doesn't have to work at a shi**y job with a lot of stress and expense to live, he can work as a cook in a restaurant and his family can survive well but they can't get healthcare when it costs as much as they make. We make our grave because of our desire to look better to others. Others look at us and decide they need to put themselves into debt to keep up. Soon everyone in the country is in debt just to feel normal.

This same thing goes through all sects of society, small cities are spending money to beautify the area so others will think their place is great. Up here we have paradise, why do we need a roundabout on the highway to attract people we do not know. What happened to communities, why do we need to attract people of high social standards to make us feel inferior? Doctors don't care if the city is pretty, they would rather have good clients and a good restaurant in town. This happens everywhere in this country. Our country is broke.

reply to post by Unity_99

"I shall not want?"

Yes. It is an allusion towards; "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want." Psalms 23:1

This is not simply "wanting something." It is the 'want' that leads towards attachment. It is the superficial 'want' that brings suffering at the cost of fulfilling the 'want'. This is the kind of 'want' that causes morbid obesity, or extreme hoarding, or obsessive stalking. Greed and selfishness is found within this 'want'.

We are speaking of 'want' in its very self. Want this, want that,... never any fulfillment or peace because the emotion of 'want' is what is being chased the entire time. Want for the sake of want, this is what the OP is talking about.

"Everyone should be living in abundance and equality"

There should not be a few living in stupendous luxury while others are lacking basic necessities and comforts. We have the resources and technology to create a 'Heaven on Earth' for all beings. The main obstruction to this utopia is the greed and selfishness within us as a collective.




Abundance is not the natural soul state. Thriving in balance with the inner and outer world is the natural soul state.

The OP is not in favor of liberal, conservative, or serfdom ideologies. Nor is the OP in favor of withholding abundance. No, no, no.






In your second post, you go on to blame "them" and "their". My brother or sister, don't you understand there is only "we" and "us". There is no "you and me" there is only "I and I".

You mention "the starvation, slavery, huge morgages, rat race, homeless, third world...." We the common people contribute to this in our own ways as well. Starvation by overconsuming, wasting, and not making sure our fellow human has something to eat. We contribute towards slavery when we do not shout out insistently for the freedom and liberty of all.

No global problem is separate from us.

Then you go on to speak of "their" control and "their" destruction of earth,.... my brother or sister, it is we the people who are following their plans and shisms instead of following the Love and Light. We the people take on the various jobs at various levels in all of this control and oppress agenda. We the people are buying all of these things that we 'want' without holding any level of accountability of HOW these things were made. All we collectively care about is we get what we want at any cost. This is the problem.

reply to post by Kgnow


There is a their and them, there is a difference between loving someone and hurting them. But then we have to make a choice. The frequency is low in this testing ground, compared to where we're from, and its easy to be overwhelmed, so do we blame or help nudge them. TPTB need our love and nudges too!

There is quite a challenge in a thoughtscape universe on this issue: Do we only see good and ignore all around us, to strive to pull in only the good frequency, which may make us hard to communicate with and not able to help those in need around us.

Or as Christ said, should we be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves, therefore noting what is around us, and those in need, including the PTB, but not letting it pull us down, doing our best to bring in the Love and positive solutions and see positive solutions flourishing?

Take responsibility for your sins !
yes!
THIS MEANS YOU!

Absolvences for sale: see isle 6

now thats "problem reaction solution" for ya

reply to post by Danbones


Who is the You and what do you think is the sins here. In a highly programmed hellish world where most are starving to death and bent completely out of shape, do Higher Ups blame those being whipped/tortured and beaten by TPTB metaphorically and for real, or the ones doing this? I believe in forgiveness and love and waking up to how we treat each other. I doin't believe in using negative language, but instead drawing out the good and light in people, building their cores and self esteem up. It should be Love and Mercy not wake up you sinners and stop sinning you sniveling bad ass's.

Originally posted by Oceanborn
reply to post by tetra50

 

Excuse me but I truly don't get the "who made the nail" part. You mean who's above the governments etc?

government, G-d, coven of illuminati......whomever you perceive to be at the top end of the power of construct and creator of said construct, yes, this is what I meant....the root from which everything else sprang, and we are even pointed in certain directions to perceive what or whom this is, so that we will react with the "solution," that is desired, by the construct-creator.

Trying to be supportive of your post, in case you weren't aware of that, not that this matters. Asking for clarification is always better than jumping to conclusions. But keep in mind, in my analogy, that the wood you are nailing, the hammer, the arm and strength behind it and person the arm belongs to, as well as the nail, are still all part of the "construct," no more and no less.

reply to post by tetra50


Thanks for clarifying.
First of all,it certainly isn't the governments(I wasn't talking only about the US government). Greedy and lying middlemen. That's what they are in my opinion,nothing more.
I think I understand where you're coming from and if I'm correct then we disagree(I also disagree with the analogy).

I'll try to be as clear as I can be. My answer will be for this twisted structure and the results it gives: Someone really evil,someone really twisted and finally,someone with a huge hatred for humankind. I can't explain it otherwise. Maybe it can be up for a debate but I'll definitely wont do it in ATS. I've tried several times but there's lot's of dishonesty,especially on subjects like this.

Originally posted by Oceanborn
reply to post by tetra50

 

Thanks for clarifying.
First of all,it certainly isn't the governments(I wasn't talking only about the US government). Greedy and lying middlemen. That's what they are in my opinion,nothing more.
I think I understand where you're coming from and if I'm correct then we disagree(I also disagree with the analogy).

I'll try to be as clear as I can be. My answer will be for this twisted structure and the results it gives: Someone really evil,someone really twisted and finally,someone with a huge hatred for humankind. I can't explain it otherwise. Maybe it can be up for a debate but I'll definitely wont do it in ATS. I've tried several times but there's lot's of dishonesty,especially on subjects like this.

I agree with your total description in your last paragraph. How you could think my reply was not in agreement because of what I wrote and/or the analogy, then we have some kind of comprehension issue between us. There is no debating one who agrees with you . But if you cannot see that I was supportive of how you laid it out, then so be it.

reply to post by tetra50


It could be just me. It just seemed to me that you were talking from a gnostic point of view which supports the idea of "two sides,same coin" and that's something I disagree with.
Regardless if there was a misunderstanding or not,I didn't really mean anything on a personal level. I'm sorry if it seemed like that.

Originally posted by Oceanborn
reply to post by tetra50

 

It could be just me. It just seemed to me that you were talking from a gnostic point of view which supports the idea of "two sides,same coin" and that's something I disagree with.
Regardless if there was a misunderstanding or not,I didn't really mean anything on a personal level. I'm sorry if it seemed like that.

I am not representing a gnostic viewpoint, nor speaking about the duality of everything, either. Frankly, I don't even believe that even scientifically, there is infinite duality to everything. I think the science came afterr the fact, there, to make it "appear" this way, when it is really anything but. I do not believe, for instance, that you need joy to know suffering or vice versa, or any of that other dualistic crap. Pain is just what the word evokes for most of us, and we didn't need a lack of it, to know what it was.... Otherwise, babies receiving vaccines and crying for the first time out of it (pain) wouldn't be crying....unless they are used to their parents doing painful things to them, and therefore, cry in pain because they've already learned about the "duality" because they've known pain and the lack, already. That's likely the first time they've experienced pain, but they still know it's pain.

So, as far as what you may have assumed I meant, I didn't mean at all, and it's my fault for not communicating it more clearly.
Back on topic with the OP, I don't know who made it this way or caused what it currently is....and I'm not sure there willl ever, truly, be one or two people we can "nail it down to," ergo my analogy. But I know my participation to survive here, doesn't make me necessarily responsible, and it is a controlled environment in which I have no power. So, I don't agree to take responsibility, and do not think it a bad thing that I search daily to trace back in hopes of finding out who, what, where and when......

reply to post by tetra50


In my defense,I did leave open the possibility that I could be wrong. Plenty of people being sneaky on these subjects. If you haven't noticed it yet,you will.
Btw,it's definitely my fault too since I haven't got much sleep and here I am posting in english. It starts becoming a challenge.
We pretty much agree. Personally I do call people responsible but only at some level. To make it short and simple: If a person hits a pedestrian with his car by accident,he wont be treated the same with one who did it on purpose. Same with what I said in my first post about the trickster and the tricked.

Originally posted by Oceanborn
reply to post by tetra50

 

In my defense,I did leave open the possibility that I could be wrong.

Plenty of people being sneaky on these subjects. If you haven't noticed it yet,you will.
Btw,it's definitely my fault too since I haven't got much sleep and here I am posting in english. It starts becoming a challenge.
We pretty much agree. Personally I do call people responsible but only at some level. To make it short and simple: If a person hits a pedestrian with his car by accident,he wont be treated the same with one who did it on purpose. Same with what I said in my first post about the trickster and the tricked.

Yes, in my first reply to you it occurred to me that english was not your first language, and so, this might be the crux of your misunderstanding of what I wrote. You have, however, no reason to state anything in your defense, as I am certainly not attacking you; again, only wish to agree to what you laid out in your "big picture" response, and I find this incredibly frustrating as I feel the picture to be much bigger than any of us can stand back far enough to even see.

Yes, I know all about the dishonesty, covert and not so covert tricks that frequent what is said, written, etc.,, on this subject and many others. Direct provocation and obfuscation, all the time, via "conspiracies 'r us..."
Not being american, you are probably not aware of a popular chain of stores called Toys R Us for children....I only allude to this, in explanation of what I just wrote because you are in a different country.....and one, it appears, is suffering greatly from the scheduled and promoted, manipulated breakdown of financial and economic systems, which without all those big words, means people suffering and trying to survive on a very basic, food shelter, etc., level.....
My heart goes out to you.

reply to post by Unity_99


hi Uni
As i understand it originally "Sin" was a decendant of (our) Lord Amen or Menes, the first king or pharoh of both upper and lower egypt in 4000BC [ as above, so below] ).

Menes, and then Sin after him, went on to rule pappa Zargon the Great's whole empire which went from the Faroe islands ( west of ireland) to the edge of China. ( hense the "great" )

Menes was of course given the pharoh is the sun god and he will arise in the after world treatment bla bla bla,
( keep in mind Zargon's hieroglyph is the reeds and the basket because he was the ORIGINAL orphan found floating in the basket who was adopted by the queen,who then grew up to be king....)

"Sin" tried to start a MOON cult ( in opposition to the sun god concept of the rest of the Zargon line ) as ruler and it flopped. hense the term "sin" which was aparantly then mixed with enoch's concept of wrong from the book of Enoch)

Zargon's decendants codified the first laws and handed them down from the zigguarat on stone tablets...
thou shalt not kill, though shall not steal etc..THE BIRTH OF COMMON CIVIL LAW

This is all well before Christianity and the Jewdaism and Islam which is just an attempt by a cult (s) to take control of the administration of those laws for its own personal gain

There you have it
the history of sin

as in " thank you sir, would you like that absolvance wrapped?
or are you going to eat it here?"

all the above is what god told me it is so of course means it is completely IMHO

back to the thread

my other IMHO is
the PTB are the decandants of ZARGON's bloodline and have banking trusts going back to the invention of banking back in babylon and lucifer is just a term for the moon (sin et al )

...and because they think they are "decendant from heaven" now the lil buggers want the whole ball of cheese for them selves

reply to post by Danbones


Well we don't keep sinning that way, LOL, for that would be like continuing to larry or susan or something.

And yes I've heard that, even had someone tell me that Semjase was Sin jase which shocked me, and it made me wonder about those kind of ancient myths and some modern ufology.

reply to post by Kgnow


Yes, but, once you allude to the 29th psalm of David, in: "The Lord is my shepard, I shall not want, He maketh me lie down in green pastures, he restoreth my soul...."

We are speaking of 'want' in its very self. Want this, want that,... never any fulfillment or peace because the emotion of 'want' is what is being chased the entire time. Want for the sake of want, this is what the OP is talking about.

I think you are selling short the psalm and what it speaks of, really. In fact, it speaks directly to want and need, and is somewhat tricky in terms of what is being referred to here, and what one can expect to be delivered from and/or to.....

reply to post by Wanderer777

"We weren't forced into our choices, because it was a chooice "

When we realize how our indizidual contributions are related to the suffering caused by collective-mankind, then surely we can build a better world. Peace.

Well, I can see why you've only gotten 9 stars so far.

It's really easy to say take " Personal Responsibility" when you offer no solutions in return. What are we taking " Personal Responsibility" for? The Corruption in the White House?
The WARs started on a proven lie!?
Banks that we trusted stole from us and collapsed our Credit and Housing market leading to a possible collapse of our dollar.

The monies stole from us to bail the MOFO's out??

Should I take " Personal Responsibility" for the lies told by Obama and his Bilderburg of a White House Staff and the money he took from us to give to his interest over-seas...??

Lmao..... I don't think I'll be taking " Personal Responsibility" for any of this crap going on!!!!!!

reply to post by Oceanborn

"They have great influence over the people. They wont simply let them to think,decide and act as they wish. They don't make their case clear either,they work through trickery so the people most of the time don't actually "choose" a way,they fall for it."

You are quite right. That's why this OP is addressing the aspect of "self-responsibility" and specifically to all of us who know and understand the nature of this.

When we understand the tricks of "others",... when we understand the psyche, the ego, and the self... when we understand the interconnectedness of this reality,... OH BOY DO WE HAVE GREAT RESPONSIBILITY!

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke

What are you going to do with what you know? The secrets you've uncovered? The truths you've found?

Are you going to fight? Rise up and rebel? Peace can only come through peace. More fighting will birth future fighting.

Are you going to speak up? Inform "others"? Multitudes of humans already know what's going on. The massive protests worldwide the last two decades is clear proof that many of us know the level of corruption.

To "fight" this ugliness we see in the world,... we must work our butts off creating a beautiful mind, beautiful homes, beautiful neighborhoods, beautiful communities, beautiful cities, beautiful nations, and a beautiful world.

Besides being positively and tirelessly active and proactive towards love, peace, freedom, and abundance,... I see no other way. This means you work as hard at caring, sharing, and helping as you believe "TPTB" or the devil is working out their goals.

It's my fault. It's your fault. It's all of our fault.

reply to post by Kgnow


Wise words, S&F from me.
Not that everyone will agree with it; after all is so much easier to blame others. And to wait for others to save you...

Originally posted by TrueMessiah
You got to be kidding me?
This thread can't be serious.

TPTB have corrupted just about every facet of humanity by negatively influencing the entire population with lies, deception, and propaganda but it's the common citizens fault after they enlist their trust to these powers because they choose (and are forced) to follow those who ARE SUPPOSED, (BUT FAIL) to uphold qualities such as liberty, freedom, equality etc.?

Just when I thought I've seen it all.....

edit on 25-4-2013 by TrueMessiah because: (no reason given)

Yes I am serious.

You are the world and the world is you.

The small parts of hate we have in our hearts spirals in a connection directly linked to violence and war.

The small parts of selfishness and greed we have in our hearts spirals in a connection directly linked to poverty and starvation.

The small parts of apathy we have in our hearts spirals in a connection directly linked to oppression, tyranny, and genocide.

I hope you can see how your own self directly effects the big picture. Peace.